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Ryne
25-06-2007, 08:12 PM
How do you guys feel about Matt being a conspiracy theorist? Kinda upsets me that he's that out there, but meh...

How do you guys feel? And don't make it all political, I'm sry if you personally feel the need to be a douchebag and express your political opinions on a Muse forum. So keep it based on Matt plzzzzz.




9/11 Truth Movement

On August 26 2006, while playing live at the Reading festival, Bellamy wore a shirt with the text Terror Storm on it. While he did not talk about it at Reading, he was specifically asked about this in a later interview, and explained:
Go to Google Video, type in Terror Storm and you'll find a nice little surprise. It will shed some light on world affairs, put it that way. I'd rather point you in the direction than preach about it myself. [1]

Alex Jones, the creator of TerrorStorm, commended Bellamy [2]

Bellamy also commented, referencing the Campaign for a New American Century:
Are we really supposed to believe that a man in a cave in Afghanistan managed to orchestrate the most unbelievable attack on the United States of all time?

"I think 9/11 was definitely an inside job done by a group of high-powered people looking for an excuse to invade the Middle East for oil and other natural resources.

"I think America needed another Pearl Harbour-type event in order to invade Iraq. It gave the US and UK governments the perfect excuse to go to war.

Juuso
25-06-2007, 08:17 PM
I don't really think about his theories or whatnot, I listen to their music, but couldn't be arsed about stuff like this.

I think this all is a part of his "artistic" nature, he's a bit out there, he wouldn't write music like this if he wasn't.

binarysonnets
25-06-2007, 08:17 PM
I don't really care. :) Some of them are kind of interesting, but I don't believe any of them. Or I've yet to be convinced by any of them. I don't think matt believes many of them to be honest. Maybe the terror storm one, but others he seems to mention in interviews in a kind of "hey, isn't this weird yet cool" sort of way.

Anyone remember that time he was talking about the conspiracy theory he based exo politics on and couldn't talk because he was laughing so hard?

Max
25-06-2007, 08:19 PM
I don't really care. :) Some of them are kind of interesting, but I don't believe any of them. Or I've yet to be convinced by any of them. I don't think matt believes many of them to be honest. Maybe the terror storm one, but others he seems to mention in interviews in a kind of "hey, isn't this weird yet cool" sort of way.

Anyone remember that time he was talking about the conspiracy theory he based exo politics on and couldn't talk because he was laughing so hard?

The XFM thing? That interview was just one long piece of funny. :LOL:

Celtic Rose
25-06-2007, 08:21 PM
I don't know, some are interesting, like HAARP, eta Reticuli and stuff, but the whole 9/11 thing is so boring now. I honestly don't care if it was a conspiracy or not, it will never be proven conclusivly either way. I mean, but its nice to have interests outside of music though.

binarysonnets
25-06-2007, 08:22 PM
The XFM thing? That interview was just one long piece of funny. :LOL:

Ha ha, yeah. I think my highlight was when the interviewer said that starlight sounded a bit like keane and dom went "oh god no!" Everybody hates keane. :happy:

What was that blokes name who thought that america was building space weapons? I always hear it then instantly forget it.

I just find the phrase "space weapons" hilarious. It sounds really star trek. Not that I watch star trek.

Duckie!
25-06-2007, 08:35 PM
ZETAS ARE FILLING THE SKIES!:eek: (http://www.zetatalk.com/)

XxsnowflakesxX
25-06-2007, 08:35 PM
I don't really care to be honest. It gives him inspiration thats created awesome music. It's good to have personality and opinions I suppose.

Harpsy
25-06-2007, 08:35 PM
I don't care tbh. I listen to Muse cos I like their music and if Matt's a bit 'out there' it doesn't matter as long as they keep making good music :)

alyssa_
25-06-2007, 08:45 PM
I don't mind, since I'm a bit skeptical of the whole explanation of 9/11 myself.

Kapranosinium
25-06-2007, 09:05 PM
I like that he's into conspiracy theories. One of the things I like most about Muse is their weirdness. It makes them special.

lottie2002
25-06-2007, 09:41 PM
Well, honestly, thanks to Muse, (and unexplained-mysteries.com), I've been reading more about conspiracy theories, and some of them do have some good points.
Some, mind. Most of it is just funny to read :D .

Terror storm I hadn't heard of yet, though. Since I don't have the patience/time/mood to go and watch videos for it (especially ones that are over an hour long, and of which the page doesn't work, I can't be bothered to figure out why), does someone here know what the actual theory is? Or is it another "it's-all-the-governments-own-doing-THEY-DID-IT!" theory?


I loved the thing I once read about some conspiracist, who was at a conference specially for conspiracy theorists, and he got a heart attack (and died) while he was holding a speech. The amount of conspiracy theories that resulted in was amazing :LOL: .

thecitizeneraser
25-06-2007, 09:47 PM
I think it's amusing, and he's allowed to be interested in whatever he wants. Plus, it's sort of pushed me into conspiracies as well... :$

Noucten
25-06-2007, 10:14 PM
Don't care.If Matt wasn't a conspiracy theorist I'd still listen to Muse.Tell me,why are you upset about Matt being 'out there'?

mayblossom
25-06-2007, 10:55 PM
Ha ha, yeah. I think my highlight was when the interviewer said that starlight sounded a bit like keane and dom went "oh god no!" Everybody hates keane. :happy:

What was that blokes name who thought that america was building space weapons? I always hear it then instantly forget it.

I just find the phrase "space weapons" hilarious. It sounds really star trek. Not that I watch star trek.

I've just had to go and listen to it again . It's Paul Hellier, ex-defence minister for Canada. This is one of the funniest interviews ever.
Haaaaaaa-liens! :LOL:

seregon
25-06-2007, 11:17 PM
Why should it upset you? You smell

No, sorry. I don't care I have always liked all sorts of theories therefore I love his way of thinking and I am going to tell him so through a letter which is going to take me forever to write as I'm crap at writing :(

Sarah_L
25-06-2007, 11:48 PM
I've never really cared about conspiracy theories, but the ones I do know about are sort of amusing. I don't believe any of them, nor will I in the future, but it shows that his life isn't just about music. It's probably nice to firmly believe in something different, rather than what everyone else believes. Some conspiracies I just find downright stupid, though :p.

curious_orange
26-06-2007, 12:35 PM
you should question why it worries you that some random person you otherwise admire is open-minded and not afraid of expressing ideas that are outside the norm

Matts quite brave to be so open about these things even though its obvious he's not 100% convinced about some of the stuff he's heard about or researched

there's increasing pressure from society to conform which should be resisted imo

/rant :D

Peroxide Pixie
26-06-2007, 03:20 PM
How do you guys feel about Matt being a conspiracy theorist? Kinda upsets me that he's that out there, but meh...

.

Why does it upset you? It's up to him what he believes I don't really care as I don't know him.

Personally I find conspiracy theories really interesting there is nothing wrong with questioning what we are told.

Peroxide Pixie
26-06-2007, 03:23 PM
you should question why it worries you that some random person you otherwise admire is open-minded and not afraid of expressing ideas that are outside the norm

Matts quite brave to be so open about these things even though its obvious he's not 100% convinced about some of the stuff he's heard about or researched

there's increasing pressure from society to conform which should be resisted imo

/rant :D

Well said

lottie2002
26-06-2007, 03:47 PM
you should question why it worries you that some random person you otherwise admire is open-minded and not afraid of expressing ideas that are outside the norm

Matts quite brave to be so open about these things even though its obvious he's not 100% convinced about some of the stuff he's heard about or researched

there's increasing pressure from society to conform which should be resisted imo

/rant :D


*applauds*

I do agree that there's increasing pressure to be 'normal', to conform to what the media says is alright. I also agree that it's something which should be resisted, which I'm happily joining in as well :happy:

And besides, conspiracy theories can be so cool, yet somewhat freaky, it'd be a shame to not know anything about it, or to 'condemn' people who do know something about it.

binarysonnets
26-06-2007, 06:30 PM
I've just had to go and listen to it again . It's Paul Hellier, ex-defence minister for Canada. This is one of the funniest interviews ever.
Haaaaaaa-liens! :LOL:

Paul Hellier! That's the one!

"hhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-liens!" And then he spills some water on himself. Smooth, man. :happy:

Feed the Hex
26-06-2007, 07:13 PM
any linkage to this xfm thing? :happy:

Hysterical_Fan101
26-06-2007, 08:07 PM
I know it sounds wierd, but my dad's into all the conspiracies and stuff and i've got a few books on it, and I belive most of it, so, i'm quite glad that he's 'spreading the message' etc.
However, that isn't why I like Muse. I like Muse because of their music, not because Matt belives all the conspiracies.

mattslittlefinger
27-06-2007, 06:38 AM
I love Matt for being a conspiracy theorist! It's better than being a rock star who looks as if they just don't care about the world and what's going on in it.http://www.myspace.com/andreamiles

thecitizeneraser
27-06-2007, 02:39 PM
Paul Hellier! That's the one!

"hhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-liens!" And then he spills some water on himself. Smooth, man. :happy:

Yeah this is a stupid question, but when does Matt say the "haaaaaaa-liens!" thing? :LOL:

charming queen
27-06-2007, 03:01 PM
you should question why it worries you that some random person you otherwise admire is open-minded and not afraid of expressing ideas that are outside the norm

Matts quite brave to be so open about these things even though its obvious he's not 100% convinced about some of the stuff he's heard about or researched

there's increasing pressure from society to conform which should be resisted imo

/rant :D

Matt's music would be so boring if he's just talking about the same old stuff other song writers write - baby I love you, I can't live if living is without you, you're the one that I want........:mad:

Matt has an enquiring mind and he's exploring the different theories and possibilities out there, half of the time he's not convinced by them or he wouldn't be killing himself laughing talking about it.

If people are allowed to preach different religions then Matt is free to talk about anything - he doesn't force you to believe the same thing as him.

How do we know aliens are not real?:LOL:

brisk
27-06-2007, 05:10 PM
his conspiracy theories are the final touch.
Matt wouldnt be Matt without it.
and i think he's is probably right...
:$


you dont think there are zetas around...? :eek:

seregon
27-06-2007, 05:46 PM
Yeah this is a stupid question, but when does Matt say the "haaaaaaa-liens!" thing? :LOL:

http://www2.xfm.co.uk/staticweb/avplayers/vanilla/x_audio.html?&stream=mms://195.173.73.27/xfm2005/audio/muse_playback_-_exo_politics.wma&end

:happy:

Adrienne
28-06-2007, 01:53 AM
"Crossing the Rubicon" by Michael C. Ruppert

I agree with every word of what Matt says. It's all true. People are just too afraid to believe what it means because god forbid they think for themselves. :eek: *gasp*

Theres a big book up there. Why don't you try opening it?

Duckie!
28-06-2007, 02:24 AM
Have A Look Around This Site (http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/)

And This One (http://www.exopolitics.org/)

lol,I can see why Matt loves this stuff.:p The forums on unexplained-mysteries are great.;):happy:

Adrienne
28-06-2007, 07:37 AM
The first site in completely rediculous. The second...is dull? What's your point?? Some bullshit and then some more well thought out bullshit?

lottie2002
28-06-2007, 05:20 PM
Have A Look Around This Site (http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/)

And This One (http://www.exopolitics.org/)

lol,I can see why Matt loves this stuff.:p The forums on unexplained-mysteries are great.;):happy:

I know, I'm a member at unexplained-mysteries.

The amount of words used in titles of Muse songs that I found back in the encyclopedia at UM is amazing :LOL: ... exo-politics, cydonia, supermassive black hole, and those are the ones I can remember :stunned:

It's how I got into conspiracy theories.
I got a book at the library today as well, something about aliens actually being the 'gods' civilisations have worshipped all over the world. Some good things in there. But my dad just went and go "oh, that guy's an idiot, he's insane"...oh... :LOL:

But, yeah, I agree with a lot of things Matt says (though there are some things I've got some doubts about...but I forgot which ones :LOL: ).

*goes and read about 9/11 bombs at unexplained-mysteries*

Ellie.B
28-06-2007, 05:32 PM
I know, I'm a member at unexplained-mysteries.

The amount of words used in titles of Muse songs that I found back in the encyclopedia at UM is amazing :LOL: ... exo-politics, cydonia, supermassive black hole, and those are the ones I can remember :stunned:

It's how I got into conspiracy theories.
I got a book at the library today as well, something about aliens actually being the 'gods' civilisations have worshipped all over the world. Some good things in there. But my dad just went and go "oh, that guy's an idiot, he's insane"...oh... :LOL:

But, yeah, I agree with a lot of things Matt says (though there are some things I've got some doubts about...but I forgot which ones :LOL: ).

*goes and read about 9/11 bombs at unexplained-mysteries*

The Queen being a lizard? :p

lottie2002
28-06-2007, 05:42 PM
The Queen being a lizard? :p

YEAH! That would be one of them :LOL:
The Queen having contact with aliens, yes, I can believe that theory. But the queen being a lizard?
I did read something about lizards controlling the world (also in a quote of Matt, but apparantly it's an actual theory, which I didn't realise). I don't know how that one's explained though. Does anyone know what it's about?

ZombieEaten
28-06-2007, 06:45 PM
David Icke, the Biggest Secret and elsewhere...

lottie2002
28-06-2007, 07:06 PM
David Icke, the Biggest Secret and elsewhere...

Right...

lizards...from outer space...controlling the world?
Odd.

binarysonnets
28-06-2007, 07:07 PM
I remember watching this quite serious history programme on stone circles that had been found under the sea. I was beginning to get quite convinced and excited by it (because the bits that had the circles had been under water since before humans were around or something, meaning that the human race is actually older than we think) and then at the end they went "and we found them on the moon too! WE'RE ALL ALIENS!"

And because I'm quite gullible I came away from watching it thinking "jesus christ, we're all from the moon!"

Peroxide Pixie
28-06-2007, 07:57 PM
David Icke's 'Tales from the Time Loop' is a good one to read it has lots of conspiracy theories in it.

ZombieEaten
29-06-2007, 04:40 AM
All,

I could get into a very long and heated debate about this. What I think Matt is trying to do is make people open their minds to the possibilities and he does not necessarily believe everything.

The position that most conspiracy theorists take is that those with this great power and control are building up more power by slowly eroding freedoms (by creating false flag events), making us slaves to their banking/credit system and controlling our media. And that this control has been building up for the last 2,000 years. Hmmm? Don't you think that if they really wanted to prove out this destiny that they would have picked a better time, a long time ago? Or even right after the WWII? Why try and do something now when anyone can blog, podcast and when (finally) big media is being threatened by a truly democratic ability to debate? I will not answer that rhetorical question...

But what I will say is that those with great power (bankers, financiers, politicians, statesmen, royalty, media moguls, etc) know how to wield said power. Furthermore, they know how to build on the power and leverage world events and the world stage for their own benefit. 9/11 wasn't false flag or part of the conspiracy. Every theory on that is so easily debunked and so much misinformation is used, abused or misquoted. The risk of getting caught would have been too great - just think how many people would have had to have known, been involved. Building demolitions do NOT start from the top down. And thinking that Muslims from a cave couldn't pull it off is quite plainly rascist. I believe the conspiracy theorists (CT's) pull many people's eyes off the real issues - the ones I stated above: slowly eroding freedoms (by leverage world events and the power of their media), making us slaves to their banking/credit system and molding our minds thru the mass-media. Notice the difference, I don't see some master plan of Lizards but I do see that the Bilderberg and Bohemian Grove and CFR and Club of Rome have an agenda and most weird of all is that they get more powerful as we are all able to grow the economy. I have no idea where it will end up.

Z-E-

Babette
29-06-2007, 10:20 PM
I don't think he is "out there" at all, he is right on, and I am really pleasantly surprised he is using his media exposure to talk about it, Muse has so many fans, it will reach thousands of people all over the world, as it should. People need to wake up.

Morinphen
30-06-2007, 12:04 AM
I don't see some master plan of Lizards but I do see that the Bilderberg and Bohemian Grove and CFR and Club of Rome have an agenda and most weird of all is that they get more powerful as we are all able to grow the economy. I have no idea where it will end up.


Same here.The Bilderberg Club does exist,it has their meetings,and so on.I remember one day I was at home,and my mother appeared saying:"Look,how come one of your conspiranoic ideas is appearing at this serious newspaper?" It´s not like the lizard people story,or Sitchin´s books.There are,there were,and there always will be people who will try to rule the world,using their wealth or their political power.

Duckie!
30-06-2007, 05:42 AM
Z-E-
T-A :p I had to...but what you say makes sense.

Moriah
09-01-2008, 12:06 AM
Hmmmm.

I happen to be a bit of a "conspiracy theorist" myself. Though I don't like that term...I think of myself as just really really open minded. Heh.

But I tend to be more interested in things like the 9/11 conspiracy, government intrusion, and George Orwell. Stuff like that.

Things that are actually possible...


Aliens and lizards in the royal family arn't really my niche. :p

Black Absolution
09-01-2008, 12:41 AM
i think it is just flat out wrong to say that Matt is "out there", as i feel no one is "out there" in the sense that they are crazy for what they believe in. Matt is just an open minded person, and we need more people like that this day in age. it's sad how he gets criticized half of the times, but what can you do.

if it wasn't for listening to Muse and wanting to know what half of the songs are about, i would not be interested in conspiracy theories. right now i am reading Rule By Secrecy, which is really good by the way. lots of stuff on the Rockefellers and Morgans.

Matt is just not afraid to say what he believes. some of us are which is the sad thing. he likes reading about this stuff which is what makes Muse a good listen.

JammaserJ
09-01-2008, 12:47 AM
All,

I could get into a very long and heated debate about this. What I think Matt is trying to do is make people open their minds to the possibilities and he does not necessarily believe everything.

The position that most conspiracy theorists take is that those with this great power and control are building up more power by slowly eroding freedoms (by creating false flag events), making us slaves to their banking/credit system and controlling our media. And that this control has been building up for the last 2,000 years. Hmmm? Don't you think that if they really wanted to prove out this destiny that they would have picked a better time, a long time ago? Or even right after the WWII? Why try and do something now when anyone can blog, podcast and when (finally) big media is being threatened by a truly democratic ability to debate? I will not answer that rhetorical question...

But what I will say is that those with great power (bankers, financiers, politicians, statesmen, royalty, media moguls, etc) know how to wield said power. Furthermore, they know how to build on the power and leverage world events and the world stage for their own benefit. 9/11 wasn't false flag or part of the conspiracy. Every theory on that is so easily debunked and so much misinformation is used, abused or misquoted. The risk of getting caught would have been too great - just think how many people would have had to have known, been involved. Building demolitions do NOT start from the top down. And thinking that Muslims from a cave couldn't pull it off is quite plainly rascist. I believe the conspiracy theorists (CT's) pull many people's eyes off the real issues - the ones I stated above: slowly eroding freedoms (by leverage world events and the power of their media), making us slaves to their banking/credit system and molding our minds thru the mass-media. Notice the difference, I don't see some master plan of Lizards but I do see that the Bilderberg and Bohemian Grove and CFR and Club of Rome have an agenda and most weird of all is that they get more powerful as we are all able to grow the economy. I have no idea where it will end up.

Z-E-


I don't get what you mean by "Don't you think that if they really wanted to prove out this destiny that they would have picked a better time, a long time ago?" What destiny are you referring to? I have never heard any conspiracy theiry regarding the ultimate destiny that the people in power have planned. I don't think there is one, I thought they just want complete control.

On 9/11 "The risk of getting caught would have been too great - just think how many people would have had to have known, been involved." I have heard this said many times but thats the beauty of it, the bigger the lie the less likely people are to question it. Us normal folk find it mind boggling that people could orchestrate something like that on such a massive scale and thats what makes it so hard to believe.

"And thinking that Muslims from a cave couldn't pull it off is quite plainly rascist" Thats not racist, its about logistics and being able to pull off such a huge finely honed operation. All of Al Qaeda's operations before and since 9/11 have not been any where near such a massive operation as 9/11, I can see why people question it. And it was nice how the terrorists conveniently left their manual for terror in their car, gave us all someone to blame nice and quickly.

I think that conspiracy theories should be treated like all other sources of information out there. They are about questioning what we are told and that goes for conspiracy theories too.

I like them personally, lots I don't agree with but its fun to read them and entertain different possibilities. Have to say I hadn't heard about the lizard thing until Matt mentioned it, I kinda like the idea of the Queen being a lizard. At the end of the day we all like Muse for their music and it doesn't matter what their personal views or beliefs are.

watermelonseed
09-01-2008, 01:15 AM
I agree with some people that even though he might believe in a few of the conspiracy theories (like the 9/11 one), hes said before that many of the more odd ones are just a fun read, I doubt he's convinced (though I may be wrong) that the British royal family are actaully lizards...:LOL:
Hes said in interviews that lots of articles make him out as some freak job who constantly rants about aliens, when conspiracy theories are more like a fun hobby for him. Also, i like that he's a little "out there," it think his personality comes out in his music, so I would never want him to change. :D

RavennaSeattle1911
09-01-2008, 04:10 PM
I've just had to go and listen to it again . It's Paul Hellier, ex-defence minister for Canada. This is one of the funniest interviews ever.
Haaaaaaa-liens! :LOL:
its ok to think about things

but i think alex jones is crazy i guess

RavennaSeattle1911
09-01-2008, 04:36 PM
its ok to think about things

but i think alex jones is crazy i guess
'Big Daddy' Don Garlits was on jones i think and said crazy things about illegal aliens

i think he said put up signs at usa border and shoot some and jones just said godspeed and seemd to like him

so matthew needs to stop being on this stupid alex jones show i think

not that i like illegal immigration much but killing is bad too

http://www.infowars.com/archives/2008/january/01-04-08.htm

that might be the link

RavennaSeattle1911
09-01-2008, 05:12 PM
'Big Daddy' Don Garlits was on jones i think and said crazy things about illegal aliens

i think he said put up signs at usa border and shoot some and jones just said godspeed and seemd to like him

so matthew needs to stop being on this stupid alex jones show i think

not that i like illegal immigration much but killing is bad too

http://www.infowars.com/archives/2008/january/01-04-08.htm

that might be the link
http://info.t1production.com/alexjonesshow/20080104_Fri_Alex.mp3

thats it i think maybe 2 hours into show

Aurora Lights
12-01-2008, 11:37 PM
I care..... What Matt says is right, I'm glad he has the balls to speak out, it makes me love him just that little bit more and in a way, proud to be a mooza:happy:

Trilateral_Symmetry_Com'n.
10-08-2009, 09:54 PM
What I find amusing about conspiracy-theory adherents is their unimaginative credulity. Let's suppose for a moment that the C-theorists are right: western governments, banks, media conglomerates, etc. are all as powerful, malicious, and even riven with extraterrestrials as some wackjobs say...

So why then are the conspiracy theorist authors/activists/publicizers permitted to publish, get their views heard on radio/TV/internet channels, and often thrive? Why don't the shadowy powers-that-be simply have the C-Ters all wacked, if they're so right and pulling aside their curtains revealing the ugly truth of the matter?

You can't have it both ways, people. If shadowy powerful elites, government agencies, and other organizations succeeded in killing Kennedy, dominating the world economy through the Trilateral Commission, eroding America's political national sovereignty through the United Nations, or destroying the WTC, then they'd have no problem with making David Icke -- or Matt Bellamy, for that matter -- either disappear or die under mysterious circumstances (plane crash or sudden "heart attack"), or more likely, or be utterly destroyed in a discrediting frame-up (child porn, dead hooker or a live boy, a driving-while-high-or-drunk "accident," etc.)

Another problem with the C-T movement generally is its historical (and I presume, continuing) concordance with anti-Semitism. I'm not saying Matt's anti-Semitic (it would shock me if he was; he seems like a very liberal, progressive, and genial kind of guy), but lots of C-theories are basically just [not so] thinly disguised anti-Semitic screeds. If I could give just one piece of advice to Muse, it'd be for Matt to keep his lips zipped on any C-theory that smacks of anti-Semitism, save for debunking it or distancing himself from it.

Having said that, I rather like Matt's oddball approach to life and everything, but I wish his enthusiasm for C-Ts didn't influence his fans to follow his footsteps.

musex
10-08-2009, 10:19 PM
I don't know if it has been posted before but Matt does not believe man stepped on the moon . To him that footage was a huge production made by the americans to impress the russians and the rest of the world .

Trilateral_Symmetry_Com'n.
10-08-2009, 10:43 PM
I don't know if it has been posted before but Matt does not believe man stepped on the moon . To him that footage was a huge production made by the americans to impress the russians and the rest of the world .

Oh, man, I am so sorry to read that. I've NASA/aerospace workers in my family. That's the kind of publicity that could, if widely disseminated, cost Muse some American fans or potential fans (probably mostly by putting people off before they've even had a chance to hear their music).

I'll say one thing, though: if Matt Bellamy should ever encounter Buzz Aldrin, put your money on Aldrin (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Buzz+Aldrin+punch&search_type=). :LOL:

futurophy
10-08-2009, 11:56 PM
I think it's amusing, and he's allowed to be interested in whatever he wants. Plus, it's sort of pushed me into conspiracies as well... :$

:$


.........
watched 2 hours of conspiracy documentary stuff.. and loved it..

but i mean it doesn't have to be taken that seriously, what does my opinion count in the great scheme of things anyways, just interesting y'know.

Novus Dies
11-08-2009, 12:00 AM
I always wondered....say in another universe parallel to our own, bellamy is the exact same apart from being christian....NOT believing in the conspiracy theories he does.

what do the general fans think about religion then :rolleyes:

sadly we won't get those shocking results

futurophy
11-08-2009, 12:10 AM
I agree with some people that even though he might believe in a few of the conspiracy theories (like the 9/11 one), hes said before that many of the more odd ones are just a fun read, I doubt he's convinced (though I may be wrong) that the British royal family are actaully lizards...:LOL:
Hes said in interviews that lots of articles make him out as some freak job who constantly rants about aliens, when conspiracy theories are more like a fun hobby for him. Also, i like that he's a little "out there," it think his personality comes out in his music, so I would never want him to change. :D

yeah, this.

lizards :chuckle:

QueenOfNerds
11-08-2009, 02:20 AM
Meh.

Sup to him what he believes I guess. He probably makes a good point about some stuff but I get the feeling he finds some of that stuff funny.
I am not really into celebrities pushing their own beliefs onto people. Like when David Grohl went all HIV denialist on our asses.

Furygirl
11-08-2009, 03:21 AM
I don't know if it has been posted before but Matt does not believe man stepped on the moon . To him that footage was a huge production made by the americans to impress the russians and the rest of the world .

Ugh, I saw or read that interview too. I can't remember it verbatim, but I thought he was really just saying he wasn't convinced. Could've been, but maybe not.

As others have said, I think many of the things Matt talks about are not necessarily things he believes, but he just finds them interesting. I remember one interview where he was quoting some really far out CT person and was saying he didn't believe everything this person said, but thought there could be grains of truth buried here and there. Let's not forget, his mother was a medium, or close to it, so he gets his open-mindedness and wackiness honestly I suppose. Personally, I believe in ghosts, aliens and the Lochness Monster, but that's just me. :$

Ionnas
11-08-2009, 03:27 AM
Well sometimes when everybody agrees on one thing, sometimes it's just interesting to come and say "What if, instead...". And some of these theories are amusing, or just wild speculation that makes life seem more exciting.

I believe in lots of conspiracies Matt believes in, but I'm not 100% convinced about them, I don't take them too seriously.

Just my 2 cents...

dead-duck
11-08-2009, 03:28 AM
What I find amusing about conspiracy-theory adherents is their unimaginative credulity. Let's suppose for a moment that the C-theorists are right: western governments, banks, media conglomerates, etc. are all as powerful, malicious, and even riven with extraterrestrials as some wackjobs say...

So why then are the conspiracy theorist authors/activists/publicizers permitted to publish, get their views heard on radio/TV/internet channels, and often thrive? Why don't the shadowy powers-that-be simply have the C-Ters all wacked, if they're so right and pulling aside their curtains revealing the ugly truth of the matter?

You can't have it both ways, people. If shadowy powerful elites, government agencies, and other organizations succeeded in killing Kennedy, dominating the world economy through the Trilateral Commission, eroding America's political national sovereignty through the United Nations, or destroying the WTC, then they'd have no problem with making David Icke -- or Matt Bellamy, for that matter -- either disappear or die under mysterious circumstances (plane crash or sudden "heart attack"), or more likely, or be utterly destroyed in a discrediting frame-up (child porn, dead hooker or a live boy, a driving-while-high-or-drunk "accident," etc.)
Well, one argument why they wouldn't take them out is because the craziest of the conspiracy theorists actually help the people they are ranting against - they can be used to discredit their cause. If I can find someone opposed to what I want to do that is undeniably out there, I can associate my opposition with this person and scare "normal" people away from asking the questions... I mean, who wants to be associated with crazies, right?

This is actually done every day on a smaller, less diabolical, level - pick a political issue and you should be able to easily find someone in leadership on either side using isolated events/crazy people from the other side to marginalize/demonize the opposition..... and it works....

pluginbabyxx
11-08-2009, 03:46 AM
I love it :D
It definitely makes him the Matt Bellz we all love. Wouldn't be the same without the eccentric obsession.
I'm right there with him with all the conspiracy stuffs, as well.

sade
11-08-2009, 05:37 AM
You can't have it both ways, people. If shadowy powerful elites, government agencies, and other organizations succeeded in killing Kennedy, dominating the world economy through the Trilateral Commission, eroding America's political national sovereignty through the United Nations, or destroying the WTC, then they'd have no problem with making David Icke -- or Matt Bellamy, for that matter -- either disappear or die under mysterious circumstances (plane crash or sudden "heart attack"), or more likely, or be utterly destroyed in a discrediting frame-up (child porn, dead hooker or a live boy, a driving-while-high-or-drunk "accident," etc.)


I'm loving the fact you compared the UN's role in setting up international rules as one of the examples of how conspiracies work.

I agree with dead-duck that it's more powerful to have a few people regarded as loonies running around than silencing them, if there really is conspiracies out there. Actually, what I think is more bothersome is that since there is so much talk about all these conspiracies and "the truth not being told to us" it makes people dead blind or more like disinterested in what's happening openly right before them, such as the Patriot Act in the USA or for example these incredibly intrusive laws that allow employers/government to monitor data transfers on the internet (as happened in Finland and Sweden just recently)

Anyway, I'm mostly bored by Matt's conspiracies. They do not interest me, but then again don't greatly bother me either, as I tend to not listen to the lyrics. It's rather odd really, that you can be able to sing along an entire song and not really hear or listen what's it about.

Trilateral_Symmetry_Com'n.
12-08-2009, 05:49 AM
I'm loving the fact you compared the UN's role in setting up international rules as one of the examples of how conspiracies work.

Apparently, you [enviably] don't know all that much about the 20th-C. history of the American loony right-wing isolationists, nativists, and populists -- in recent years, as led by the likes of Pat Buchanan, perpetual presidential (if increasingly fringe) candidate -- and in previous decades embodied by the likes of the John Birch Society. The critique of the U.N. undermining the U.S.'s national sovereignty isn't mine, but the existential resentment that has been voiced by this faction of the American scene since before the establishment of the U.N. after WWII, when they were unhappy with the League of Nations and all that that represented. Some of the more paranoid C-Ters of the Cold War era were American right-wing loonies obsessed with the U.N., the Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Affairs, the Brookings Institution, the so-called liberal elite universities, and so on -- as all these targets were suspected of furthering the same insidious agenda, of undermining our legal, intellectual, cultural, and military will and ability to fight our enemies and resist communism. Now that communism's mostly history, and Islamofascism is seen as a threat largely supplanting the old one, they're pushing buttons like border security, immigration reform, national spiritual renewal through Christian fundamentalism, and wresting control of the Republican Party from more moderate factions and the [understood to be Jewish] Neo-Conservatives (the group that steered us into war with Iraq after 9-11).

And I have to admit they have a point (or two, or three). As regards the U.N., Buchanan and his ilk resent our strong alliance with Israel, but I think even some of them (if not Buchanan) would agree it's ludicrous the way every few years the U.N. Human Rights Commission succeeds in holding hearings and passing firebreathing resolutions denouncing Israel. This only happens, of course, when the U.S. and its closest allies aren't holding a crucial percentage of seats on that Commission, and jerkoff delegates from nations like Yemen, The Sudan, Syria, and other paragons of human rights and democracy are. That's when the absurdist floor show begins.

As for actual perennial human rights disasters (like Saudi Arabia, Myanmar, Cuba, Egypt, Mozambique, North Korea, etc.), nothing ever gets done because of the way the UNHRC and the Security Council are structured, and because the political and military will, and means, are lacking in most western societies (including my own -- nobody here really wants to tangle with NK, for example). The problem with the U.N. isn't that it's too powerful, but that it's institutionally rotted from within and thus ineffectual in enforcing its limited legal mandates.


I agree with dead-duck that it's more powerful to have a few people regarded as loonies running around than silencing them, if there really is conspiracies out there. Actually, what I think is more bothersome is that since there is so much talk about all these conspiracies and "the truth not being told to us" it makes people dead blind or more like disinterested in what's happening openly right before them, such as the Patriot Act in the USA or for example these incredibly intrusive laws that allow employers/government to monitor data transfers on the internet (as happened in Finland and Sweden just recently)

As for the much-shared opinion that actual conspiratorial powers-that-be apparently see the typical C-theorists as useful pawns and de-facto agents provocateurs to be exploited for their usefulness to discredit their own views and thus disempower us all, there could well be a grain of truth to that. (If so, they apparently view our Matt B. as a harmless Clown Prince of Rock.) Academics could wax wise about how Muse slots in as yet another example of media-conglomerate appropriation and assimilation of a potentially edgy or subversive pop-culture producer -- a bleak and depressing view, to be sure! Toss in the obligatory Adorno/Horkheimer references and you're golden.

But I think it's far more likely that the trends of governmental and corporate control of information and concentration of power would occur without the aid of any conspiracies as such, simply as a result of various organizations pursuing their own aims, in a climate of legal, political, cultural, and/or tax-code laxity allowing or encouraging them. From the perspective of the hegemons (such as they are), pop culture is but a sideshow, and counter-hegemonic artists like Rage Against the Machine and Muse, merely a sideshow within a sideshow.


Anyway, I'm mostly bored by Matt's conspiracies. They do not interest me, but then again don't greatly bother me either, as I tend to not listen to the lyrics. It's rather odd really, that you can be able to sing along an entire song and not really hear or listen what's it about.

I know what you mean, even though I'm still at a beginner's level with respect to Muse, and I feel a stupid obligation to learn as much as possible about their music and lyrics -- partly out of fangirl love, and partly out of the impulse to be a responsible consumer/citizen. (Like, I love some punk music but never buy racist "Oi!" artists and their ilk... well, not knowingly, anyway.) I generally don't pay close attention to lyrics though, regardless of artist, because 95% of the time it's an exercise in frustration and even sado-masochism, although there's been a few exceptions over the years (like Andy Partridge's lyrics for XTC).

I'm into Muse for the music, not the lyrics, although I find myself clinging to his better lyrics as if I needed the validation or something. Besides, Matt's beautifully elongated (and often operatic) singing style, emphasizing a vox humana quality over a more conventional lyricism, often makes comprehension difficult... not that that's always a bad thing! I'd rather not understand a set of lyrics than hear them clearly and be disappointed, and often I'd rather listen to a pleasing voice (spouting gibberish lyrics) than an unpleasant one that's the voice of reason. I'd rather listen to Matt Bellamy gracefully hit his highest notes all day (as impossibly grating as that would be for most people) than listen to the frontman for The Hold Steady (whose conversational vocal delivery and torrential lyrics are the polar opposite of Matt's style) prate and grate in his inescapably intelligible way, for example. His lyrics may be brilliant, but I just can't stand to listen to him.

Sorry for going on at such length. (Perhaps I have more in common with that douchebag in The Hold Steady than I care to acknowledge? ;))

futurophy
12-08-2009, 10:35 PM
i always thought the government didnt 'take out' conspiracy theorists because they're not reaally that powerful, if they started doing anything big maybe the gov. would pay more attention

nohopeinfear
08-07-2010, 06:13 AM
I did a quick search for the word "Rubicon" and this thread popped up so I figured here's as good a place as any to put it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubicon_(TV_series)

The series will be about an intelligence analyst (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_analyst) at a national think tank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_tank) who discovers that his employers may be part of a secret society (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_society) that manipulates world events on a grand scale.

Seems like something Matteh will enjoy :yesey:

cherry lips
08-07-2010, 11:13 AM
I think it's something different for a change,most of the 9/11 stuff that he believes in I believe in too.And why should it be a problem for any of the fans that he is a conspiracy theorist?There is nothing wrong in thinking that not everything is the way it seemes.

tillydog
05-08-2010, 07:28 PM
yeah i know they are quit weird and probably wrong, but some are intresting :D

wildwilly
06-08-2010, 04:01 AM
I don't give a phat. Matt is half crazy anyway to be as talented as he is.

syzygy
06-08-2010, 04:06 AM
Conspiracies are cool and fascinating, but I don't really like it when theorists say "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED." (like this example of Matt's), but I love it when they say "it could have happened like this...". Opened minded people are fascinating.

Originally_Symmetrical
06-08-2010, 04:30 AM
ZETAS ARE FILLING THE SKIES!:eek: (http://www.zetatalk.com/)

:LOL:
Yea, I could care less.

aviendha
06-08-2010, 06:28 AM
lol, i think its cool as hell. i'm 14 and i'm writing a book about conspiracy theories, and its completely inspired by muse. Matt Bellamy kinda like, openned my eyes to conspiracy theories and its hella cool. I would definitely love to just sit down and talk with this man, he seems incredibly deep. and, no, i'm definitely not like the rest of his god damn obsessive teenage girl fans. although he is extreeeeeeemeeelyyy attractive, he's intelligent, creative, and just, my inspiration. its amazing. mk ulta is my favorite song, and THATS why i'm so inspired to write this book. (:

cherry lips
06-08-2010, 06:42 AM
lol, i think its cool as hell. i'm 14 and i'm writing a book about conspiracy theories, and its completely inspired by muse. Matt Bellamy kinda like, openned my eyes to conspiracy theories and its hella cool. I would definitely love to just sit down and talk with this man, he seems incredibly deep. and, no, i'm definitely not like the rest of his god damn obsessive teenage girl fans. although he is extreeeeeeemeeelyyy attractive, he's intelligent, creative, and just, my inspiration. its amazing. mk ulta is my favorite song, and THATS why i'm so inspired to write this book. (:

You sound like a god damn obsessive teenage girl fan.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

aviendha
08-08-2010, 03:00 AM
You sound like a god damn obsessive teenage girl fan.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

lol, well i guess i might be. but fans are fans and thats all that matters.

syzygy
09-08-2010, 11:49 PM
lol, i think its cool as hell. i'm 14 and i'm writing a book about conspiracy theories, and its completely inspired by muse. Matt Bellamy kinda like, openned my eyes to conspiracy theories and its hella cool. I would definitely love to just sit down and talk with this man, he seems incredibly deep. and, no, i'm definitely not like the rest of his god damn obsessive teenage girl fans. although he is extreeeeeeemeeelyyy attractive, he's intelligent, creative, and just, my inspiration. its amazing. mk ulta is my favorite song, and THATS why i'm so inspired to write this book. (:

...do you like Twilight?


:chuckle:

Gareeh
10-08-2010, 12:01 AM
...do you like Twilight?


:chuckle:

here here.

aviendha
10-08-2010, 07:15 AM
...do you like Twilight?


:chuckle:

lol, not really. its okay.

aviendha
10-08-2010, 07:22 AM
wait, can i ask why you are being judgemental? everyone has an opinion. jeeesus. relax, it's JUST a forum.

cherry lips
10-08-2010, 05:44 PM
...do you like Twilight?


:chuckle:

I do,nothing wrong there,I know some girls who hate twilight and they are bigger fangirls than me :rolleyes:

(OmG I Hate TwIgLighT,OmG MaTt bEllAmy,lemme Be Ur BaBE )

:LOL: :LOL::LOL::LOL:

Trust me I know these girls...The same ones that wanted to kill themselves when they realised that Matt will never actually love them...

aviendha
10-08-2010, 07:51 PM
I do,nothing wrong there,I know some girls who hate twilight and they are bigger fangirls than me :rolleyes:

(OmG I Hate TwIgLighT,OmG MaTt bEllAmy,lemme Be Ur BaBE )

:LOL: :LOL::LOL::LOL:

Trust me I know these girls...The same ones that wanted to kill themselves when they realised that Matt will never actually love them...

ohhh. haha, point. lol, i know matt will never love me, and i dont really care. thats really illegal if he did. lmao.

resistance87
24-05-2011, 10:53 PM
I'm wondering why it would be wrong to put a political opinion on a muse forum???
Me, I'm becoming increasingly concerned about the arogance of the new world order and it shocks me that so many people don't care that he is a conspiracy theorist. Out of curiosity, what than do you think of the lyrics? Or do you just think the music is amazing? On which of course I agree! :)

Mick4Kizna
24-05-2011, 11:12 PM
Matt doesn't really have any more distrust in the powers that be than the average free thinking human being. He finds conspiracy theories fascinating, as anyone should even if they aren't true. Going so far as to call him a conspiracy theorist though is a bit far. Of course, the theories and personal feelings about the system he incorporates into his lyrics are fantastic. Makes great music.