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SharkTooth194
20-05-2007, 01:58 PM
what dus evry1 think about matt's obsession with conspiracy theories? and just outta interest... who else follows them as well? id b interested 2 kno about them...

Juuso
20-05-2007, 02:00 PM
They're rubbish. Don't start believing in them, they mess up people more than drugs.

Georgy Drachenkoeter
20-05-2007, 02:12 PM
I think this was discussed many times before...
Did you use search? ;)


*waits-for-Chris-and-Ellie-to-turn-this-thread-horribly-offtopic*

Clunge
20-05-2007, 02:24 PM
Load of bollocks.

End of.

Popey
20-05-2007, 02:37 PM
Pathetic. I wish he hadn't worn that fucking t-shirt so people wouldn't sign up to this place to preach their so called "truths".

I'll trust industry approved experts over spotty teenagers in a basement thank you very much.

Juuso
20-05-2007, 02:43 PM
Besides, all these conspiracy theories are just dumbed down versions of philosophical questions. It's like scrathing the surface of real open-minded thinking, but then closing yourself in by narrowmindedly believing in these theories. Every human should have learned/taught critical thinking on their own, I don't see why these conspiracy theories have to draw people in by making them feel "wise and more englightened" than the other people.

The worst/best theory supporters are just as narrowminded as the sheep, who blindly follow the leaders.

Yus
20-05-2007, 02:47 PM
I think his theories about how humans evolved are blantantly crap, but I'm not sure about the 9/11 stuff, since I hardly know anything about it. :p

Clunge
20-05-2007, 03:06 PM
I refuse to believe that even the current US administration would be insane enough to plot such an intricate attack against their own country.

The only viable 9/11 conspiracy in my books is that the US government chose to ignore the warning signs of an Al Quada attack in order to have a valid reason to invade Afghanistan and subsequently Iraq, aside from their need for oil.

Cynical ++, you might say but I live in the fucking real world, not one of conspiracist mentalists like Alex Jones and his pawns.

switchbl@d3
20-05-2007, 03:26 PM
I like conspiracy theories, i don't subscribe to 99% of them but i still like them. I think your naive if you think conspiracies never happen, but almost all are hilariously far fetched. They may be a crock of shit but i still like reading them and looking at the "Evidence" then thinking about how much time some of these people have on their hands.

If you haven't seen it already check out Maddox's theory on the Titanic, imo its fucking hilarious.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=af07

Lynzi
20-05-2007, 03:27 PM
what dus evry1 think about matt's obsession with conspiracy theories? and just outta interest... who else follows them as well? id b interested 2 kno about them...

Ok I know my spellings bad but :wtf:

Mneme
20-05-2007, 03:28 PM
....conspiracy theories are just dumbed down versions of philosophical questions. It's like scrathing the surface of real open-minded thinking, but then closing yourself in by narrowmindedly believing in these theories. Every human should have learned/taught critical thinking on their own, I don't see why these conspiracy theories have to draw people in by making them feel "wise and more englightened" than the other people.

Thank you--excellent points, and very well put!


*waits-for-Chris-and-Ellie-to-turn-this-thread-horribly-offtopic*

Now that would be fun--where are they then?! :LOL:

Lynzi
20-05-2007, 03:30 PM
But yea I thought everyone knew that the Queen was a Lizard :p

Georgy Drachenkoeter
20-05-2007, 04:40 PM
Ok I know my spellings bad but :wtf:

Yeah, Cherryheat pointed it out already.
No fun reading his/her posts.

Now that would be fun--where are they then?! :LOL:

Dunno. Chris seems to be gone off before this thread was created.
And Ellie wasn#t on today neither it seems. :(

But yea I thought everyone knew that the Queen was a Lizard :p

:yesey:

issaidiot
20-05-2007, 04:56 PM
If you haven't seen it already check out Maddox's theory on the Titanic, imo its fucking hilarious.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=af07

The video was very...fascinating. :stunned: :LOL: :LOL:

Firebaptist
20-05-2007, 05:16 PM
*waits-for-Chris-and-Ellie-to-turn-this-thread-horribly-offtopic*


Now that would be fun--where are they then?! :LOL:#

HIIIIIIIIIIIIII :happy:

dids j00s all miss meeeee?


:LOL:

Juuso
20-05-2007, 05:18 PM
#

HIIIIIIIIIIIIII :happy:

dids j00s all miss meeeee?


:LOL:

Yo. I'm in your sig :eek:

Georgy Drachenkoeter
20-05-2007, 05:19 PM
#

HIIIIIIIIIIIIII :happy:

dids j00s all miss meeeee?


:LOL:

Yeeeaaaah.
Teh Master of Offtopicness has arrived. :D

Firebaptist
20-05-2007, 05:20 PM
Yo. I'm in your sig :eek:
Oh yes :happy:

You should be honoured :p :LOL:

Yeeeaaaah.
Teh Master of Offtopicness has arrived. :D

*makes grand entrance*

You may all bow before me now :cool:

Georgy Drachenkoeter
20-05-2007, 05:22 PM
*makes grand entrance*

You may all bow before me now :cool:

:wtf:

*shrugs*

*takes-a-deep-theatralically-Bow*

Firebaptist
20-05-2007, 05:23 PM
:wtf:

*shrugs*

*takes-a-deep-theatralically-Bow*
:LOL:

That's what I like to see :happy:


aaannnddd within two posts, this thread has disappeared into the realms of offtopicness...

Damn I'm good :cool:


:LOL:

Georgy Drachenkoeter
20-05-2007, 05:27 PM
:LOL:

That's what I like to see :happy:


aaannnddd within two posts, this thread has disappeared into the realms of offtopicness...

Damn I'm good :cool:


:LOL:

:LOL:
And even without your grand Partner. :eek:

Firebaptist
20-05-2007, 05:28 PM
:LOL:
And even without your grand Partner. :eek:
pffttt I don't need her :indiff:

She's just my pet :happy:

Georgy Drachenkoeter
20-05-2007, 05:30 PM
pffttt I don't need her :indiff:

She's just my pet :happy:

:eek:
Poor Ellie.

Juuso
20-05-2007, 05:32 PM
pffttt I don't need her :indiff:

She's just my pet :happy:

You wouldn't be anything without me though. I am always the secret benefactor.

Firebaptist
20-05-2007, 05:33 PM
:eek:
Poor Ellie.
She loves being on a leash :happy:



;)

You wouldn't be anything without me though. I am always the secret benefactor.
How very true, and I am eternally grateful to you :happy:

Juuso
20-05-2007, 05:34 PM
She loves being on a leash :happy:



;)


How very true, and I am eternally grateful to you :happy:
T'is the same other way too. *Gay love*

Firebaptist
20-05-2007, 06:15 PM
T'is the same other way too. *Gay love*
Gay love?! :LOL:

switchbl@d3
20-05-2007, 06:26 PM
The video was very...fascinating. :stunned: :LOL: :LOL:


see Titanic was teh conspiraceh!

Juuso
20-05-2007, 06:54 PM
Gay love?! :LOL:

You're female then? If not, GAY LOVE! :mad: Well, E-gay love.

Strawberry_Juice
20-05-2007, 06:55 PM
I like conspiracy theories, i don't subscribe to 99% of them but i still like them. I think your naive if you think conspiracies never happen, but almost all are hilariously far fetched. They may be a crock of shit but i still like reading them and looking at the "Evidence" then thinking about how much time some of these people have on their hands.

If you haven't seen it already check out Maddox's theory on the Titanic, imo its fucking hilarious.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=af07
THE JEWS! I KNEW IT!

We're also planning to blow up the Eiffel Tower. :happy:
His voice is so annoying, though. Arghhh.

Juuso
20-05-2007, 06:56 PM
THE JEWS! I KNEW IT!

We're also planning to blow up the Eiffel Tower. :happy:

Get rid of the statue of Liberty while you're at it, both Eiffel and it are losing their appeal.

Strawberry_Juice
20-05-2007, 06:59 PM
Get rid of the statue of Liberty while you're at it, both Eiffel and it are losing their appeal.
Those pyramids in Egypt are pretty out of date, too. If I've got enough bombs left over, I might make a stop over there.

Firebaptist
20-05-2007, 07:28 PM
You're female then? If not, GAY LOVE! :mad: Well, E-gay love.
I'm not female :(

E-Gay love it is then :happy:

Juuso
20-05-2007, 07:37 PM
I'm not female :(

E-Gay love it is then :happy:

Ha! For a moment there, I thought you were denying a chance to e-sex with me. Haha, who would be so stupid?

Firebaptist
20-05-2007, 07:48 PM
Ha! For a moment there, I thought you were denying a chance to e-sex with me. Haha, who would be so stupid?
I would never deny E-Sex with you :happy:

It would be the best experience of my life :happy:

Juuso
20-05-2007, 07:51 PM
I would never deny E-Sex with you :happy:

It would be the best experience of my life :happy:

*Slowly takes off clothes to reveal his Mrs.Bellamy underwear*

Firebaptist
20-05-2007, 07:52 PM
*Slowly takes off clothes to reveal his Mrs.Bellamy underwear*
:eek:

:supertong

What a fine body you have ;)

Juuso
20-05-2007, 07:59 PM
:eek:

:supertong

What a fine body you have ;)

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Strawberry_Juice
20-05-2007, 08:07 PM
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Firebaptist
20-05-2007, 08:07 PM
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http://www.5318008.co.uk/b3ta/hammertime.jpg

:LOL::LOL: <3333

seregon
20-05-2007, 08:08 PM
what dus evry1 think about matt's obsession with conspiracy theories? and just outta interest... who else follows them as well? id b interested 2 kno about them...

Since when are they his? I say hes more a collector of conspiracies. But I love theories of alsorts so they interest me and amuse me in various ways :happy:

Ellie.B
20-05-2007, 08:09 PM
Ha! For a moment there, I thought you were denying a chance to e-sex with me. Haha, who would be so stupid?

*puts hand up* :happy:

Firebaptist
20-05-2007, 08:11 PM
*puts hand up* :happy:
What a surprise :rolleyes:

Ellie.B
20-05-2007, 08:13 PM
What a surprise :rolleyes:

Well sorry for not being an e-sex whore like yourself :rolleyes: :p

Firebaptist
20-05-2007, 08:18 PM
Well sorry for not being an e-sex whore like yourself :rolleyes: :p
So you should be :noey:

Juuso
20-05-2007, 08:18 PM
*puts hand up* :happy:

Well, I did say the person in question would be stupid *glances at his own signature*

Ellie.B
20-05-2007, 08:24 PM
Well, I did say the person in question would be stupid *glances at his own signature*

:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: Oooh leave me alone! :p Suppose I was asking for it :rolleyes:

Hobo
20-05-2007, 08:26 PM
*glances at his own signature*
You just can't stop looking at that gif, can you? :stunned::p

SoulDrift
22-05-2007, 11:38 AM
what dus evry1 think about matt's obsession with conspiracy theories? and just outta interest... who else follows them as well? id b interested 2 kno about them...

Rock stars are supposed to be waacked and outlandish. This fits perfectly. Plus, not to say I believe most of them, but I have read a lot of the same books (Jim Marrs, Chomsky, Greg Palast, etc) and so the references in the song titles like 'Ruled by Secrecy' hit home. I say, more power to him!

Endgame
15-12-2008, 08:47 PM
Everybody repeat after me:

THE METHOD'S REVELATION, MUDDLED WITH A HEALTHY DOSE OF DISINFORMATION

EratoSomaGirl
17-12-2008, 12:25 PM
Everybody repeat after me:

THE METHOD'S REVELATION, MUDDLED WITH A HEALTHY DOSE OF DISINFORMATION

Hooray for resurrecting the dead :rolleyes::stunned:

Though bringing this thread up again meant I got to laugh again at the Maddox Titanic Theory (metal is stronger than ice, haha.... obviously they think a tonne of feathers weighs less than a tonne of bricks...):LOL::LOL::LOL:

Jakey-93
20-05-2010, 07:44 PM
Hmmm. I think that many conspiracy theories are in fact true, but you must research it if you wish to believe it. Many people may not take it seriously because the issues at hand seem to surreal and eccentric, to what the average citizen may be influenced by. :) I'm only 16, so i might not understand the world as well as others of you reading, but i greatly admire the band's approach towards globalisation, the new world order, supreme societies i.e the Illuminati, Rockafella? e.t.c and other related issues. I think many people might block out suggestions too irregular to oppose their daily life, which commonly consists of the same schedule, day in day out. :) I respect the fact many people wish to continue that life because it is satisfying enough to live with, but i think we should also respect other people's opinions and listen to it in detail, especially when it concerns ideology that opposes media and government 'stuff'. :) So take an hour sometime to research the idea behind some of the new music (The Resistance of course :P)? I know that i thouroughly enjoy 'hunting' the net for this kinda stuff and i know a lot of you would too :). Muse + conspiracy = Interesting :LOL:

rexusdiablos
13-05-2011, 01:02 AM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I honestly don't get how those of you consider yourself Muse fans and yet fundamentally misunderstand the nature of the theories explored in the bands lyrics. The fact that some of you can ridicule the notion of an institutionalized Orwellian oppression and tyranny is indicative of how little you understand the essence of band's recent albums.

Oligarchies, despots, the elite and other such social stratifications exist in this sick world we live in today. We are being mentally and spiritually retarded through religion, the education system and the food and pharmaceutical industries. Land is being privatized, civil liberties are being eroded and our last vestiges of freedom are by now, almost a thing of fiction.

How much more moronic, uneducated and uncaring can you idiots be? About 30,000 children die every day from starvation and preventable diseases BY DESIGN, NOT NEGLIGENCE! The illusory western world is being de-industrialized and middle classes are being erased as we're reduced to the status of third world countries through intergenerational debt at the hands of globally centralized financial institutions such as the IMF.

How dumb do you have to be to not be able comprehend the medical ramifications of fluoridated water, toxic vaccines and foods?

For those of sneering at the conspiracy theorists, as wrong as they might sometimes get it with the more radical theories (lizards, abductions etc,), they're still closer to the truth than your apathetic, socially irresponsible and intellectually lazy minds. At least they're asking questions. Any cynic can point a finger and sneer. I'd sooner respect the person who tries and fails again and again than the coward who points the finger and laughs without ever attempting to make the requisite intellectual leap.

I've been a solid fan since Origin of Symmetry but I'm ashamed to be a part of the same collective as some of the asinine posters on this board who fail to understand why Muse and geopolitical conspiracy theories go hand and hand whether they can wrap their feeble lobotomized brains around it or not.

Zaphod Chizzlebrox
13-05-2011, 01:27 AM
Muse don't actually believe in the things they write about, Bellamy has said it fascinates him and he likes to try and understand the mindset that conspiracy theorists have.

drawakangaroo
13-05-2011, 01:43 AM
With me, I like the idea behind conspiracy theories, but I usually don't believe in most of the actual theories. It's cool to open your mind to things that seem totally ridiculous, but you've got to realize that if you open your mind too widely, your brains will fall out.

Mick4Kizna
13-05-2011, 02:02 AM
Muse don't actually believe in the things they write about, Bellamy has said it fascinates him and he likes to try and understand the mindset that conspiracy theorists have.

Uhm....some of them sure. But a lot of what the Resistance album was about, including the themes from 1984, they really do believe them and they are true. Especially in Europe where many cities are just filled with cameras like London. Or here in the US where states are starting to make the formation of unions illegal. We really are being forced to fight each other in class and culture wars so as to be distracted to what our governments are really trying to do. Everything can be taken too far, but don't be the people that disbelieve every conspiracy theory they hear. There's truth in all of it. Never follow blindly.

Kueller917
13-05-2011, 04:57 AM
It kind of gets annoying when people will go around calling everyone sheep and then telling them to blindly follow everything Alex Jones says. If everything is one giant plot against us how does he even exist? Maybe the theories are made up to throw people off from the real truth... this could go on forever.
In the end I do believe that there are secrets kept from us, and that the ones in power will exploit and keep the people under control. But that's been happening throughout history, so it's not some secret truth.

Zaphod Chizzlebrox
13-05-2011, 11:17 AM
Uhm....some of them sure. But a lot of what the Resistance album was about, including the themes from 1984, they really do believe them and they are true. Especially in Europe where many cities are just filled with cameras like London. Or here in the US where states are starting to make the formation of unions illegal. We really are being forced to fight each other in class and culture wars so as to be distracted to what our governments are really trying to do. Everything can be taken too far, but don't be the people that disbelieve every conspiracy theory they hear. There's truth in all of it. Never follow blindly.

You mean like the ambiguously-written Uprising? A song that could be construed as being about any person's struggle against any kind of opposition?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/muammar-gaddafi-pledges-we-will-be-victorious/

Muse might have some kind of obsession with conspiracy theories, but let me tell you a little about conspiracy theories and theorists in general. They are almost always opposed to a Government or something that Government has done, and 90% of the time they don't have any actual evidence to back up their claims. That's why they always say "Research it yourself" or link to youtube videos of Alex Jones, or Zeitgeist, or things like that. And then when people question their theories, they say "Fine, be sheeple, follow your Government" etc.

For once, I want to see a respected scientist put out a proper study in a published journal that backs up claims conspiracy theorists make. I want to be able to ask questions of that scientist and have them answered in a proper and logical manner. I'm not going to believe in stuff just because some band sings songs about some bunch of crap.

Your last sentence "Never follow blindly". I think you mean "Never ask us questions, just believe us when we say there's a conspiracy at work". Because I've never seen any shred of evidence yet to suggest any conspiracy theory could be true.

Mick4Kizna
13-05-2011, 02:55 PM
No I didn't say believe me. And there really is evidence to support a lot of conspiracy theories. Not saying that makes the conspiracies real but it makes them possible. And if a scientist did come out and say here's some evidence, which they have done in the case of the Kennedy assassination, wouldn't it just still be conspiracy theories?

Tjet
13-05-2011, 03:07 PM
No I didn't say believe me. And there really is evidence to support a lot of conspiracy theories. Not saying that makes the conspiracies real but it makes them possible. And if a scientist did come out and say here's some evidence, which they have done in the case of the Kennedy assassination, wouldn't it just still be conspiracy theories?
Evidence to support the possibility that some of their claims are correct. I think everyone is aware that it is POSSIBLE, but is it likely? There is no need to start investigating the theories when no one can point to a single solid fact that they exist.

Zaphod Chizzlebrox
13-05-2011, 03:19 PM
No I didn't say believe me. And there really is evidence to support a lot of conspiracy theories. Not saying that makes the conspiracies real but it makes them possible. And if a scientist did come out and say here's some evidence, which they have done in the case of the Kennedy assassination, wouldn't it just still be conspiracy theories?

The other thing about conspiracy theorists is that they like to pick and choose which evidence suits their theory, and ignore the other evidence disproving it. Big case in point is the theory that thermite was used to weaken the supports of the WTC towers. The conspiracy theorists often refer to a photo taken after the attack that shows a pillar with a clean diagonal cut in it as evidence that thermite was used. But when you challenge them with the fact that thermite causes a very messy reaction and is impossible to control to that extent they still choose to ignore that. Most evidence that theorists use will support their case when it's taken out of context, but put it back in context and it generally disproves a conspiracy.

There is always far more evidence disproving a conspiracy than there is supporting one. Conspiracy theorists will also always use that as their proof that things have been covered up.

Mick4Kizna
13-05-2011, 03:53 PM
I completely agree. Which is why one really has to take a stand to either believe or disbelieve in a theory. I personally believe the WTC was allowed to happen by our government. You're right about the thermite. It's impossible to control. If there's evidence supporting a theory and evidence in support of it being false then you just have to make a choice. In the end I feel the same about conspiracy theories as Matt does. They fascinate me. I don't believe in all of them but they are really cool to talk about. Read The Illuminatus! Trilogy if you like conspiracy theories. Great book.

Zaphod Chizzlebrox
13-05-2011, 04:03 PM
I completely agree. Which is why one really has to take a stand to either believe or disbelieve in a theory. I personally believe the WTC was allowed to happen by our government. You're right about the thermite. It's impossible to control. If there's evidence supporting a theory and evidence in support of it being false then you just have to make a choice. In the end I feel the same about conspiracy theories as Matt does. They fascinate me. I don't believe in all of them but they are really cool to talk about. Read The Illuminatus! Trilogy if you like conspiracy theories. Great book.

The only thing I like about conspiracy theories is challenging the people who believe in them. I prefer proof, which is why 99.9% of conspiracy theories fail my tests.

On the subject of 11/9, I would guess that the intelligence agencies knew that there were plans of some kind, but did not have the specifics. The terrorists struck before the intelligence bureaux could work out what was being planned. If that amounts to the attacks being "allowed" to happen then there's something wrong with the way theorists are thinking about things. That tardiness to act was why we ended up in Iraq without hard evidence of any WMDs, the US didn't want to get caught out again and went in blind. That's my understanding of the events.

I put more weight in negligence of the intelligence bureaux than in conspiracy for war theories.

Mick4Kizna
13-05-2011, 05:34 PM
There were also drills being run in case of the event of planes being hijacked weeks prior to the attack.

Clunge
13-05-2011, 05:39 PM
I love how it's usually the conspiracy theorists who tell us to 'open our minds' when they believe in something so fervently, it doesn't matter how much contrary evidence you put before them, they refuse to even acknowledge it :LOL:/:facepalm:.

Zaphod Chizzlebrox
13-05-2011, 05:44 PM
There were also drills being run in case of the event of planes being hijacked weeks prior to the attack.

Conclusive evidence :eek: they MUST have known it was going to happen if they were doing counter-terrorism drills :eek:

Governments run all kinds of counter-terrorism "war games" all the time. I wouldn't hold that one up as more than coincidence.

Mick4Kizna
13-05-2011, 08:13 PM
No but if they were running drills and there was evidence that this might happen, why not heir on the side of caution?

Zaphod Chizzlebrox
13-05-2011, 08:17 PM
No but if they were running drills and there was evidence that this might happen, why not heir on the side of caution?

You could say the same about any terrorist attack though, there's information out there about them all but it still wasn't possible to stop them.

The main failing over 11/9 was the communication between the President and his team, and the FBI/CIA/NSA. High levels of incompetence led to the failure to prevent 11/9, not conspiracy. Same as high levels of incompetence led to the failings in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina at New Orleans.

Mick4Kizna
13-05-2011, 08:20 PM
There's always incompetence. 9/11 is a tricky conspiracy theory. It really is a theory that has about equal evidence supporting and disproving it. :LOL: I love to talk about it though.

Zaphod Chizzlebrox
13-05-2011, 08:21 PM
There's always incompetence. 9/11 is a tricky conspiracy theory. It really is a theory that has about equal evidence supporting and disproving it. :LOL: I love to talk about it though.

Well I'm going to stop talking about it, because otherwise we'll end up attracting more conspiracy theorists to the board, and nobody wants that :LOL:

Tjet
13-05-2011, 08:21 PM
There's always incompetence. 9/11 is a tricky conspiracy theory. It really is a theory that has about equal evidence supporting and disproving it. :LOL: I love to talk about it though.
Not even close. Actually most of the supporting evidence has been proven false.

Mick4Kizna
13-05-2011, 08:22 PM
Proven false by who?

Tjet
13-05-2011, 08:28 PM
Proven false by who?
By anyone who has actual knowledge in the subject, and anyone who is looking at the bigger picture instead of, like Chizzle said, taking things out of context.

Show me the evidence that hasn't already been proven wrong so many times.

Tjet
13-05-2011, 08:33 PM
And also, how the hell do you count the amount of evidence against it? Of course there will be more evidence for the theory, since everyone is so desperate for a government conspiracy. It's a lot harder to say "this is why it couldn't have been a conspiracy" than it is to say "this fact, taken out of context, points to the possibility of a conspiracy."

Mick4Kizna
13-05-2011, 08:35 PM
I'm sorry but that isn't an answer. All I've done so far is talk about how no of this is necessarily true, but I believe some of it is. And so far I've had to ignore several posts that basically insult my intelligence. The biggest piece of evidence for me that I have seen for myself was this: CNN had an anniversary 9/11 thing last year. I watched it. They talk about how the flaming jet fuel went down all the elevator shafts and exploded out on the ground floor. The same jet fuel that melted steel support beams. And yet they supposedly rescued people from the elevators not an hour later. That my friends...is bullshit.

Tjet
13-05-2011, 08:41 PM
I'm sorry but that isn't an answer. All I've done so far is talk about how no of this is necessarily true, but I believe some of it is. And so far I've had to ignore several posts that basically insult my intelligence. The biggest piece of evidence for me that I have seen for myself was this: CNN had an anniversary 9/11 thing last year. I watched it. They talk about how the flaming jet fuel went down all the elevator shafts and exploded out on the ground floor. The same jet fuel that melted steel support beams. And yet they supposedly rescued people from the elevators not an hour later. That my friends...is bullshit.
What is your point? The flaming jet fuel would be there no matter if there were bombs or not. What exactly does that prove?

And also, the jet fuel alone didn't break the steel beams, and I very much doubt that the heat would be anywhere close to the same on the elevators.

adds
14-05-2011, 12:46 AM
yay this has turned in to a 9/11 thread. anybody else feel ruled by secrecy references 9/11 strongly?

I'm sorry but that isn't an answer. All I've done so far is talk about how no of this is necessarily true, but I believe some of it is. And so far I've had to ignore several posts that basically insult my intelligence. The biggest piece of evidence for me that I have seen for myself was this: CNN had an anniversary 9/11 thing last year. I watched it. They talk about how the flaming jet fuel went down all the elevator shafts and exploded out on the ground floor. The same jet fuel that melted steel support beams. And yet they supposedly rescued people from the elevators not an hour later. That my friends...is bullshit.

oh CNN told you! well jeez that must be right then, we apologise... now where is my tin foil hat. :rolleyes: the biggest hole in the story is wtc7, especially when it was reported on bbc news to have fallen exactly as it did fall, but before it actually had. the building was behind the reporter, still standing as she was reporting it! hahaha it was a script! it was all scripted. wtc7 was rigged to be pulled (demolished) anyway but the owner wouldnt get an insurance payout if he blew it himself, funnily enough he did get his payout of hundreds of millions of dollars shortly after. there's so much about this to go on about. you say conspiracy theorists have no evidence, the evidence is everywhere! CNN and other gvt institutions are not entirely honest and credible sources!
/rant :P

Kueller917
14-05-2011, 01:58 AM
I don't have a big problem believing that the government knew about the attacks and let it happen to cause an invasion. I'm not 100% sure on why they would want to so I won't claim it to be true, but it wouldn't be the first time the US tricked itself into a conflict.

Mick4Kizna
14-05-2011, 03:03 AM
I don't have a big problem believing that the government knew about the attacks and let it happen to cause an invasion. I'm not 100% sure on why they would want to so I won't claim it to be true, but it wouldn't be the first time the US tricked itself into a conflict.

Thank you. That was all I'm trying to say. And CNN didn't TELL me. CNN just showed what happened and I noticed the hole. As far as the official statement goes it's common knowledge flaming jet fuel went down the elevator shafts. If that shit stuck to the elevators it would cook everyone inside.

Kueller917
14-05-2011, 05:16 AM
Thank you. That was all I'm trying to say. And CNN didn't TELL me. CNN just showed what happened and I noticed the hole. As far as the official statement goes it's common knowledge flaming jet fuel went down the elevator shafts. If that shit stuck to the elevators it would cook everyone inside.

But then again there's also the chance CNN got their info wrong just because they were being idiots. But there's a lot of factors in these things...

deanob17
14-05-2011, 06:02 AM
Anyone who thinks 9/11 was an inside job is either retarded, or just completely ignorant. There is zero evidence to support that bullshit. Zero. Not a tiny bit at all.

Tjet
14-05-2011, 09:43 AM
Thank you. That was all I'm trying to say. And CNN didn't TELL me. CNN just showed what happened and I noticed the hole. As far as the official statement goes it's common knowledge flaming jet fuel went down the elevator shafts. If that shit stuck to the elevators it would cook everyone inside.
That still doesn't prove anything. The jet fuel would have been there no matter if there were bombs or not, so why does it matter?

Clunge
14-05-2011, 09:54 AM
I want a flow chart of the entire ruling authority/chain of command of America, the FBI, CIA, etc, all labelled with names, dates, etc, detailing exactly who plotted what with who to eventually lead to an 'inside job' taking out the Twin Towers.

Oh that's right, it's an undertaking of such massive complexity, detail and logistics that entertaining the mere idea that it could be enacted in real-life is utterly ridiculous.

But hey, in the eyes of the conspiracist, not a single person blabbed this unfathomable plot to anyone, their family, their friends, the media, etc, and therefore Bush n' co. got away with it.

*H5*s all round.

The only theory surrounding 9/11 I am willing to even entertain the notion of is that American had some advanced intelligence, some ranging from one tip off to months of tracking, etc, but failed to act accordingly and allowed the attack to happen on the grounds of furthering their expansionist agenda in the Middle East.

And even then, I still don't really buy it at all. Even Bush isn't/wasn't that callously fucked up.

Zaphod Chizzlebrox
14-05-2011, 11:09 AM
yay this has turned in to a 9/11 thread. anybody else feel ruled by secrecy references 9/11 strongly?



oh CNN told you! well jeez that must be right then, we apologise... now where is my tin foil hat. :rolleyes: the biggest hole in the story is wtc7, especially when it was reported on bbc news to have fallen exactly as it did fall, but before it actually had. the building was behind the reporter, still standing as she was reporting it! hahaha it was a script! it was all scripted. wtc7 was rigged to be pulled (demolished) anyway but the owner wouldnt get an insurance payout if he blew it himself, funnily enough he did get his payout of hundreds of millions of dollars shortly after. there's so much about this to go on about. you say conspiracy theorists have no evidence, the evidence is everywhere! CNN and other gvt institutions are not entirely honest and credible sources!
/rant :P

For a conspiracy of that size to work, it would need almost everyone in the US Government and each intelligence service to be involved. The fact there's no whistleblowers AT ALL tells me that it was down to incompetence of the intelligence services and the Government. You only need to look at how Bush reacted to Hurricane Katrina to know that he just wasn't clever enough to be able to carry out something like that AND keep it all quiet.

11/9 was not a conspiracy. What it was, was a massive fuck-up by intelligence in failing to stop the people involved.

adds
14-05-2011, 12:07 PM
there have been a few whistleblowers, dr steve pieczenic (sp?) a black ops guy who has worked under numerous presidents openly states it was an inside job, the fellow who was rescued from WTC7 who claimed he was stepping over dead bodies when reports say not a single person was in the building, he ended up dead after speaking to the media. there have been a fair few, do a quick google. a good number are probably dead by now though.
aaanyway, arguing 9/11 on here isn't right. there're websites dedicated to it.
oh and another thing, don't believe the connotations of the words 'conspiracy theorists'. it's a very clever tool employed by those who want to keep you stupid and believing everything youre told. thats right, we're the crazy ones, not you.

Zaphod Chizzlebrox
14-05-2011, 12:59 PM
there have been a few whistleblowers, dr steve pieczenic (sp?) a black ops guy who has worked under numerous presidents openly states it was an inside job, the fellow who was rescued from WTC7 who claimed he was stepping over dead bodies when reports say not a single person was in the building, he ended up dead after speaking to the media. there have been a fair few, do a quick google. a good number are probably dead by now though.
aaanyway, arguing 9/11 on here isn't right. there're websites dedicated to it.
oh and another thing, don't believe the connotations of the words 'conspiracy theorists'. it's a very clever tool employed by those who want to keep you stupid and believing everything youre told. thats right, we're the crazy ones, not you.

Okay, so when Dr Pieczenik comes out and gives his evidence (he says he's willing to do it in front of a grand jury, but if he had the evidence he'd be able to kick-start a grand jury case himself) I'll listen, and judge accordingly.

Steve Pieczenik also said that Bin Laden died 9 years ago of Marfan disease. If this were true, then it would mean that not only were the whole last Government in on the 11/9 plans, but so are the whole current US administration. Like I said, that is a hell of a lot of people to know about something like this. You really telling me only one or two people, out of thousands, have spoken out about it? If a scheme that big was really in play, don't you think we'd have been hearing a hell of a lot more about it from objecters? It's very hard to believe that out of the thousands of people needed to be able to pull off that kind of conspiracy, they pretty much ALL were complicit in its running?

Too many people watch films like Enemy Of The State and actually believe that intelligence departments will do stuff like that.

adds
14-05-2011, 03:41 PM
and yes bin laden has been dead since late 01/early 02. he was visited by the cia on sept 10th 01 in hospital. he was dying. its documented that he had kidney problems and was a very ill man. no proof has been put out that he died recently like obama says, in fact more evidence keeps coming out on the contrary and then the US admit they put out fake videos and photos and you still believe in them.

i dont get anybody who doesnt question the official story, these people arent looking out for you, i bet you believe al qaeda hate our freedom and we're helping the opressed people in libya. oh there happens to be a few billion dollars worth of oil in that area? well isn't that just fortunate.

Zaphod Chizzlebrox
14-05-2011, 04:16 PM
and yes bin laden has been dead since late 01/early 02. he was visited by the cia on sept 10th 01 in hospital. he was dying. its documented that he had kidney problems and was a very ill man. no proof has been put out that he died recently like obama says, in fact more evidence keeps coming out on the contrary and then the US admit they put out fake videos and photos and you still believe in them.

i dont get anybody who doesnt question the official story, these people arent looking out for you, i bet you believe al qaeda hate our freedom and we're helping the opressed people in libya. oh there happens to be a few billion dollars worth of oil in that area? well isn't that just fortunate.

I never said I believed in them.

Again, though, you're insinuating that the whole current AND former administrations were in on 11/9. Surely even the most rabid conspiracy theorists know that to be bollocks.

I know all about the stories of Bin Laden's death, and how the CIA had his body (given to them by his family *coughbullshitcough*), and were waiting for the opportune moment to parade his corpse. Once again, if that were the case why would they not even release photos? Why say they buried him at sea? The reason is that releasing photos would possibly incite further terrorism from cells looking for revenge. Same as to why they don't parade a body.

And if you saw my posts in the current affairs section, you wouldn't say any of that last section. I don't do blind faith. I have studied things that I have seen, from sources in different areas, and I personally consider the conspiracy aspect to be bunk. There would need to be too many people involved in something this big for it to stay so so quiet. There would be too many people for the "spooks" to silence. The only people talking about it are hardly the sort of people who are worth paying attention to. Such as Alex Jones. Anyone who can be out-argued by Peter Joseph (himself a delusional fool) cannot be trusted as a source.

I question the official source. I also question the conspiracy theory side. And like I've said before, taking everything I've considered into account I've come to the conclusion that 11/9 was a monumental fuck-up by intelligence, Bush went to Afghanistan in misguided retaliation, he went to Iraq on the misguided advice of people who said there were WMDs there (and yes, because the US were looking to secure their own oil supplies), everyone is getting involved in Libya for the wrong reasons (I believe aggressive diplomacy was the better course of action).

adds
14-05-2011, 04:49 PM
haha this guy is brilliant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af0L7kDHxSY&NR=1

PwoperFisch
14-05-2011, 06:52 PM
Here's a movie about todays society I recommend everyone to watch if you have a couple of hours to spare:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w

I think this definitely is the best Zeitgeist-movie so far and probably the one you should watch first.

Tjet
14-05-2011, 07:01 PM
Here's a movie about todays society I recommend everyone to watch if you have a couple of hours to spare:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w

I think this definitely is the best Zeitgeist-movie so far and probably the one you should watch first.
It was only a matter of time...

Zaphod Chizzlebrox
14-05-2011, 07:06 PM
That movie isn't anything to do with conspiracy theories, it's attempting to address the problems with a monetary-based economy. It holds some very fanciful ideas for moving the world into a different area, quite frankly ideas that would never ever work in a million years.

musse
14-05-2011, 08:56 PM
I was watching the news yesterday night and they were talking about this theory that says that Facebook and Twitter are both agencies from the CIA, and the governments have been using them to know about our tastes, relationships and thoughts.
They also said that the social revolutions in Middle-East were orchestrated by the USA.
:eek:

MUSESTL
19-05-2011, 03:28 AM
I was watching the news yesterday night and they were talking about this theory that says that Facebook and Twitter are both agencies from the CIA, and the governments have been using them to know about our tastes, relationships and thoughts.
They also said that the social revolutions in Middle-East were orchestrated by the USA.
:eek:

Think of all the manpower they would need to filter through all that information. And what exactly would they use it for?

MUSESTL
19-05-2011, 03:31 AM
Just wrote an essay on the TWA Flight 800 conspiracy. Dozens of witnesses say they saw a "bright object" rising towards the plane just before it exploded, killing 200 people. The government said the cause was a short circuit in the fuel tank

Zaphod Chizzlebrox
19-05-2011, 11:44 AM
Just wrote an essay on the TWA Flight 800 conspiracy. Dozens of witnesses say they saw a "bright object" rising towards the plane just before it exploded, killing 200 people. The government said the cause was a short circuit in the fuel tank

Pity that there was no physical evidence of a missile attack...the body of TWA800 showed no signs of missile impact, the witness accounts were not consistent with the events of a missile strike.

The NTSB said the cause was a short circuit in the fuel tank, and whilst the NTSB is a Government agency, it is independent. It does not take orders from the US Government.

AloFury
22-05-2011, 11:12 PM
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=126&contentid=8070

..covers things like haarp, zetas.. get yer tin foil hat boys n girls.

adds
27-05-2011, 12:34 PM
I was watching the news yesterday night and they were talking about this theory that says that Facebook and Twitter are both agencies from the CIA, and the governments have been using them to know about our tastes, relationships and thoughts.
They also said that the social revolutions in Middle-East were orchestrated by the USA.
:eek:

well firstly why do you think facebook is worth so much? it is a database on people (500m+ of us) that is worth a lot to people/companies/gvt. also there's a youtube vid explaining that the investment capital company FB was funded by was set up by a branch of the CIA (or a CIA agent/operative, it has some connection). data mining and data collection is big business and if you think the government don't do it you are asleep.

and the US has a long history of putting in place, funding and then overthrowing dictators/middle east governments when they are no longer needed. hilary clinton went to egypt and met with the muslim brotherhood, supposedly she assured them that come september they will be in power. nothing happens in the middle east without the US having a hand in it. so much is on record about this. i recommend you read Noam Chomsky, Hegemony or survival; america's quest for global dominance.

edit: here's that video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B37wW9CGWyY

Mick4Kizna
27-05-2011, 04:35 PM
Love Chomksy. Chomsky On Anarchism is my favorite.

Killuminati
07-08-2011, 12:41 AM
This channels amazing for conspiracys and things like that, actually quite intresting to tell you the truth!! ( www.youtube.com/user/lauzon12 ) :)

cherry lips
07-08-2011, 11:00 AM
It annoys me when I see "Muse fans" who are 12 pretending to be into conspiracy theories just because it seems very cool and indie thing to be into.

Zeitgeist (the first part) was pretty good though....

Tjet
07-08-2011, 03:52 PM
It annoys me when I see "Muse fans" who are 12 pretending to be into conspiracy theories just because it seems very cool and indie thing to be into.

Zeitgeist (the first part) was pretty good though....
Grown ups who think that they are open minded for believing everything that is thrown in their faces because it makes them feel special are worse.

GloriousAssassin
07-08-2011, 08:13 PM
It annoys me when I see "Muse fans" who are 12 pretending to be into conspiracy theories just because it seems very cool and indie thing to be into.

Zeitgeist (the first part) was pretty good though....

Maybe some ppl in here will say I'm too young to have an opinion for all that stuff but those 12-year-olds you mentioned "get" into all that conspiracy theories just because the adults say it cool.It's not their fault.And I agree with Sippe.

Kueller917
07-08-2011, 11:25 PM
Frankly I enjoy reading them because of Muse. To some extent I believe them (but then again I don't think anyone has complete trust for their government) but it's not much. In the end it gets rather annoying seeing comments in all Muse videos calling people sheep for following leaders, and yet those same people will believe anything Alex Jones says

adds
09-08-2011, 12:17 AM
dunno if it has been posted. but here's one legend speaking to another
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPOGw7uXAsQ