Citizen Erased thread.

[The Plugged In Baby]

Does anyone have a seven string tab for Citizen Erased.

I bought a Ibanez seven string a year ago and really want to use it for Citizen Erased, but the OOS tab book only has the E tuned to A, so I need to know basically how Matt plays it live!

Help!

[Pictures of you WILLY]

not entirely sure but i think the tuning is

AAADGBE.

the extra bottom a is 1 octave lower and is used to play the intro with the harmonics played on the second a. then the rest of the song is played normally i think, fuck knows.

[kev]

basically you play it just like the 6 string one the differance is you have 2 d-strings i imagine these are both the same octave which will probably make it a real pain in the ass to tune if you have normal 7-string strings, but it should make working out how to play it on a 7-string from the 6-string tab really really easy

and a citizen erased thread already ... wow :D

[Dalton]

no that is not correct, 3 times an A string that's just aint right. That means that two of the three A strings are tuned in the same tone.

[kev]

i think he meant to put AADDGBE.

[Cerpin]

i think he meant to put AADDGBE.


That`s right. Judging by the live perfomances that`s the way he tunes it.

[minor69er]

it is indeed AADDGBE, but the low A is tuned with a heavier gauge....whatever that means....im just reading what it says on the tab book..i dont really know what i'm talking about.

[Pictures of you WILLY]

i think he meant to put AADDGBE.

yep, sorry i've had little sleep

[dymund]

hmm.. wouldnt it be easier to play it just over drop a? you can get a meatier chord out of the whole guitar and make harmonics over a whole chord too.

not that im telling matt how to play it or anything, i just think its a bit bizare retuning your 7 string in a completely different way, especially if you want to play more than one song on it.

[leo212a]

maybe he decided "im going to get drunk and tune my 7 string...then play citizen erased on it tommorrow when im sober"

any other suggestions?

[dymund]

hmm... i wish matt would use his 7 string more often. I love the sound of it.

[El Zilcho]

maybe he decided "im going to get drunk and tune my 7 string...then play citizen erased on it tommorrow when im sober"

any other suggestions?

LOL
Dom thought to himself "I bet Matt won't be able to play Citizen Erased anymore after I'm done tuning his 7 string... teehehe!"

[Alysum]

hmm... i wish matt would use his 7 string more often. I love the sound of it.
It's because it has no effetcs included that he doesn't uses it much.

[kuz]

yeah, but he uses the bomber reasonably often and that doesnt have any effects built in either.

[Alysum]

often uses the bomber ? I don't think so...I only heard he just uses it for TOADA if I'm not wrong.

[Memorandum]

when i saw muse last week he used the bomber more than any other guitar, and played TOADA on the black one :S

[kandythrash]

*cough* going back to subject:

He plays it AADDGBE where the A's are in octaves and the D's are the same pitch, i'm assuming one is thicker though??? When I play it I use regular dropped-A tuning AEADGBE, cos I don't have a keyboard player and need to do the chords at the end of the song-easier in standard tuning non?

[Matt]

I find it impossible to tune my six string guitar the way specified in the Hullabaloo tab book. i end up snapping the strings every damn time! Are there any techniques I should be doing or just being extra bloody careful?

[Memorandum]

Aren't you meant to tune the E down to A? That would make it ridiculously loose, not snap it.

[Matt]

so basically I tune it normally but tune the E to A instead? Sounds simple enough. Il give it a go.

[Memorandum]

I'm not actually sure, I just thought it was AADGBE and then AADDGBE on the seven-string. What does it say in the tab book?

[Alysum]

when i saw muse last week he used the bomber more than any other guitar, and played TOADA on the black one :S
really :eek: hows that possible without the Fuzz factory, MXR Phaser etc...

Can u remembre which songs he used it for ?

[Memorandum]

Hysteria
Muscle Museum
Bliss
TIRO (I think)
Forced In (Instrumental)

Actually I think he used the silver for four or five songs thinking back, and the black one for two or three, then obviously Citizen Erased on the 7-String and the rest was on piano.

Even if it wasn't used most, it was still used near enough equally as much as the others.

[kandythrash]

I'm not actually sure, I just thought it was AADGBE and then AADDGBE on the seven-string. What does it say in the tab book?

in OOS tab, if i remember right, its for a 6 string with E down to A-Aadgbe but in hullabaloo it's for a 7-string in Aadgbe, A's in octaves and D's at different thicknesses...it can be played either way.

i actually just play it in drop-A though, i find it easier because the chorus in Aaddgbe would be

d/-7------5------6------7------9-----10------5------6
d/-7------5------6------7------9-----10------5------6
a/-8------3------7------0------10-----8------3------7
A/-8------3------7------0------10-----8------3------7

This works if u have a 7-string put into that tuning, but if you don't you'l want to make it ADadgbe-which does this:

d/-7------5------6------7-------9-------10------5------6
a/-8------3------7------0------10-------8-------3------7
D/-7------5------6------7-------9-------10------5------6
A/-8------3------7------0------10-------8-------3------7

which is a bit tricky with the extra stretch of a wider neck

personally i play in drop-A-AEadgbe, it's just a little bit easier

d/-7------5------6------7-------9------10-----5------6
a/-8------3------7------0------10------8------3------7
E/-8------3------7------X------10------8------3------7
A/-8------3------7------0------10------8------3------7

if you have a 7-string tuned to Aaddgbe, then obviously, the first tab is your first choice, but I play it in Drop-A, but drop-A-drop-D is better if you can cope with the extra stress on your fingers

[Alysum]

This thread is to talk about citizen erased :)

I was wondering how matt plays this song without a fuzz factory in his 7 string manson ?

Does he have another one on his pedal board ? Or maybe he switches his Marshall DSL 1000 to the overdrive channel ?

[Imperium]

he does have an FF in it dosnt he? :confused:

[Imperium]

oh sorry, no he dosnt, my mistake, perhaps the has one assigned to a pedal, im not overly sure, people will know than me, i cant figure out how he gets it crunch without killing off the marmonics

[Simno]

oh sorry, no he dosnt, my mistake, perhaps the has one assigned to a pedal, im not overly sure, people will know than me, i cant figure out how he gets it crunch without killing off the marmonics

I know it's slightly off topic, but I have a fuzz factory and I'm never sure whether to use it for Bliss at all, I find it really hard to distinguish between Matt's distortion effects sometimes they're all so damn good because they give clear intonation of the notes in his chords, harmonics still sound nice, but they are wildly fuzzy/overdriven/distorted.. So i have two qu's actually or maybe three-

what distortion do people reccommend for
Bliss
C.E
New Born (fuzz factory sounds messy on the chord section of riff - plus does he use a clean tone and piezo in the verse strumming?)

If anyone can give me solid advice here it would be REALLY appreciated
Cheers
Si

[Cerpin]

I think his pickups and amp-setup adds a lot to his sound. I think he has the FF on a very overdrive-ish setting, and uses a lot of gain on the clean channel. The Diezel has a gain knob on the clean channel I believe.

[Alysum]

Well I don't think Matt has a FF on his pedal board...cause we can get picks of his pedal board and there is no FF.

[Alysum]

what distortion do people reccommend for
Bliss
C.E
New Born (fuzz factory sounds messy on the chord section of riff - plus does he use a clean tone and piezo in the verse strumming?)

If anyone can give me solid advice here it would be REALLY appreciated
Cheers
Si
well you know the fuzz factory is very complicated to set up with the 5 knobs lol, you just have to try everything to get the right sound...

[kev]

Well I don't think Matt has a FF on his pedal board...cause we can get picks of his pedal board and there is no FF.

he just uses amp distortion.

i think the ff is only used sparingly on most songs

[Jonesy]

Does anyone have a seven string tab for Citizen Erased.

I bought a Ibanez seven string a year ago and really want to use it for Citizen Erased, but the OOS tab book only has the E tuned to A, so I need to know basically how Matt plays it live!

Help!

If you're playing it on a six string I would just whammy the A down an octave for the start and the main riff, it's far easier than actually tuning the E down to an A cos you lose tonnes of tuning stability. This is presuming you have a whammy pedal obviously....

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

Its very easy to get a decent sound out of the Fuzz Factory (I have a Fuzz Probe though, same thing more or less) for any Muse song.

For songs like New Born and Bliss its best to set the Stab all the way, Drive no higher than 12:00, hardly any Comp and if you really can't stand a bit of hiss use the Gate.
For CE its best to have lots of Fuzz, this is a setting I like to use for CE and Muscle Museum Stab - 5:00 Drive - 5:00 Comp - 7:00 Gate - Far enough to get rid of the hissing.

[Alysum]

nice to tell us your settings.

I'm gonna make a Fuzz Factory settings thread :)

[microcuts12345]

i've searched everywhere but can't find a decent erased live track from hullaballo..anyone know or could tab it out? just the solo and the short interlude part where mat aternates the g,b,e...and you know what i mean :P

[Monkeychild]

http://membres.lycos.fr/smeba2/frame3.htm

You can't have looked very hard.. down the side, you'll find Citizen Erased, the official tab book for Hullabaloo

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

Isn't it exactly the same as the studio version?
Apart from some additional bits in the solo

[jonmar]

no the hullabaloo version is much faster :D

but yeah essentially what he plays is the same... xcept the solo

[donbenjy]

..ok bak tyo the guys with 7 strings...why cant you play AADDGBE? its exactly like playing AADGBE on a six string but an octave down on the A and an extra D string...play it exactly like a 6 string but instead of plying just one D string...play two!! :LOL:

anyone find it simpler to play the 6 string version in standard tuning and play

--0--0--*2.5--*2.5---etc? it saves having to tune out to play it...

[Clotho]

i play it on a 6 string, with the E down to A.. you can hear how it sounds in the covers thread.. i've never had any problems.. and it sounds good...

[jonmar]

if you play it just on standard tuning like that it won't have that beefy low sound... not good enough...

here's what I do...

I tune down to AADGBe (6 string)

I just made a custom set of strings...

lowest to highest: 56 38 28 18 (wound) 14 11

see you need to have a thick string to tune down... or else it'll sound like a rubber band...

I play it like the tab from that link does... piece of cake...

for distortion I use my Boss Ds-1 ... with Dist. on full and Tone at approximately 11 o clock... and level all the way up... sounds kicking!

[Clotho]

i use regular 10's and for distortion a digitech hotrod distortion

[jonmar]

I just had 10's on mine ...D'addario's and I had it in drop A and whenever I stroke the low A the string would vibrate so much the note would raise to B lol... but I think it was because those strings were really DEAD!

[Clotho]

lol, funny...

i feel i have to play it with the E down to A.. otherwise the chorus just doesn't sound right, or feel right to play

[kandythrash]

..ok bak tyo the guys with 7 strings...why cant you play AADDGBE?
You can, but, you might need to re-string the guitar:
You can play it ADadGBe, or you can change round the low E and high A round but i just play ADad

[wowsplat]

I accidentally started a new thread on this subject but thanks to cerpin he pointed me in the right direction. so now for my question:

how does matt get the harmonics on CE to stand out... I have a FF and my amp at full blast but the harmonics at the start of the song sound cheesey and low... I also tried it without the FF and it just dosnt sound right because the harmonics fade out too fast

[absolution2k4]

I haven't really tried to take on ALL of Citizen Erased but I use pitch shift on my mulit-fx pedal on my six-stringer and drop tune to A. It sounds good with a bit of tweaking! I end up with AEadgb I think. I know it's not the way Matt plays it but it prevents string snapping :).

As for the harmonics, I just mess around with the equalizer and gain effects on my pedal till it sounds good.

[jonmar]

how does matt get the harmonics on CE to stand out... I have a FF and my amp at full blast but the harmonics at the start of the song sound cheesey and low... I also tried it without the FF and it just dosnt sound right because the harmonics fade out too fast

there are sweet spots for natural harmonics for your picking hand...

I strike the string right above the neck pick up and the harmonics are strong and they don't fade out until you play the next note.

the sweet spot is different for every string but atleast for me it's right above the neck pick up for the A string.

I play it with the AADGBE tuning by the way... my string gauges are:

A: .56
A: .38
D: .28
G: .18 (this is a wound string)
B: .14
E: .11

allthough next time I'll get a .60 for the low A.

[no3chris]

i find the harmonics easy to do, but i know many peopel dont, make sure ur using your bridge pickup and ur tone control is full and sort out ur amp so theres low mids high bass and treb , hope that helped : :confused:

[Palo Alto]

I find it it better to get harmonics when using my picking finger over the bridge pickup. Its stronger

[jonmar]

yeah I think the place differs on every guitar... but basically strike the string everywhere from the bridge to the start of the neck until you get the harmonics to sound loud...

of course... there's certain frets where the harmonics sound loud no matter where you strike the string... these would be the 7th, 9th and the 12th frets... you get harmonics on all the strings on those frets...

but for harmonics like the 2.5 fret and the 3rd fret you'll need to find a sweet spot I think...

[kandythrash]

it may sound obvious, and you may already be doing it, but make sure only the string with the harmonic is ringing, mute all the others if they are still playing

[Cerpin]

What does it mean when you say "wound string" ?

[kandythrash]

wond...a wire with another wire wound around the outside, unwound...just a wire

[GaelicRockStar]

wat songs actually use a 7-string apart from CE? I can't think of any... I I had the money in the morning for a new guitar a 7-string would never enter my in consideration for purchase

[Cerpin]

wond...a wire with another wire wound around the outside, unwound...just a wire

What`s the advantage of having one of those then?

[kandythrash]

What`s the advantage of having one of those then?
no advantage, no disadvantage, just taste, sounds "thicker" i s'pose

[kandythrash]

wat songs actually use a 7-string apart from CE? I can't think of any... I I had the money in the morning for a new guitar a 7-string would never enter my in consideration for purchase
muse dont have any other 7-string songs, there's not much 7-strings in major bands anyways, it's only korn n deftones, and a few others, but theyre good to play :D i found when id played mine for a while, i got out a 6-string, and i felt dampened, like there wasn't anything i could do

[BlackStar]

i quite want a 7 string guitar now.... if only i had any money. i spent it all on a jackhammer :D

[kandythrash]

well, my suggestion to all of you out there is, save up for one, or sell your current guitars if you're confident you'll like it

[YellowSphere]

I'd have one if I had the money...though if I was told I could have another guitar, no matter the cost, I would get a really good custom six string...<drools>

[Acquiesce]

Does anyone know the chords to this amazing song?

[YellowSphere]

Does anyone know the chords to this amazing song?

chords where? its not the sort of song which you can just give a list of chords for

[Acquiesce]

I know, but I have found a acoustic cover versio of it and he's playing chords through the whole song except the intro..

[jonmar]

I guess you could take the bass notes and figure out the chords from that... since the bass plays mainly the root notes.

it has lots of A ;)

I guess you could play the verse like this

Am B C D C B Am B

chorus is something like this:
F C E
A G
F C E

the silent verse part is Am G F E over and over again for what seems like forever and then the chorus at the end before it goes loud again.

the ending chords with the piano are these... they might be different variants of these chords and mostly are...

C Am G F Fm
C D Am G
F Fm G C

[Tywyllwch]

I think these are the chords that are used during the chorus. Not sure though.

0 0 0 0 0
1 1 0 1 1
2 0 1 2 0
3 2 2 x x
x 3 x x x
x x x x x

[jonmar]

:lol:

[Ril]

I guess you could play the verse like this

Am B C D C B Am B

hmm i can't work out which bit this is but it sounds really cool :)

[jonmar]

the part where Matt goes:


E|-----------------------------
B|-----------------------------
G|--------2----------------4--
D|-----------------------------
A|--------0----------------2--
A|--0--0-------------0--0-----



etc...

of course he does it with a 7 string.

anyway, it's the "the truth's unwinding..." part...

could be the whole verse... it's pretty much the same chords... just 2 different licks.

[Ril]

you could probably work out a good chord progression from that (http://zmeba.free.fr/frame2.htm) , if they're not alread stated on it.

[jonmar]

do they have tabs for any other albums than just OoS? or is there any other site with the tabs from the books for the rest of the albums?

[kev]

ooh where i can hear acoustic citizen erased?/

and they have tab books for every album they've released they're all scanned on that site and linked in the faq.

*threads merged by the way*

[no3chris]

yea id liek to hear acoustic ce :D

[Ril]

ooh where i can hear acoustic citizen erased?/

and they have tab books for every album they've released they're all scanned on that site and linked in the faq.

*threads merged by the way*
wow how did you merge the threads? that's class! yeah i usually go through microcuts.net and look in their tabs section. but do what kev says, it's quicker :)

[Jonesy]

I guess you could take the bass notes and figure out the chords from that... since the bass plays mainly the root notes.

it has lots of A ;)

I guess you could play the verse like this

Am B C D C B Am B

chorus is something like this:
F C E
A G
F C E

the silent verse part is Am G F E over and over again for what seems like forever and then the chorus at the end before it goes loud again.

the ending chords with the piano are these... they might be different variants of these chords and mostly are...

C Am G F Fm
C D Am G
F Fm G C

Hmm, no offence but don't play it like this!! For a start in the piano bit at the end it's a D MINOR chord, don't play a major it will sound horrible!

And this bit:

"I guess you could play the verse like this

Am B C D C B Am B"

Unfortunately that bears no relation to any part of the song.

[jonmar]

of course it does... it's the first verse... matt first plays this:

Am
A|--0-12-12-0-12-12-0-12-12-0-12-12-0-12-12-0--|

B
A|--0-14-14-0-14-14-0-14-14-0-14-14-0-14-14-0--|

C
A|--0-15-15-0-15-15-0-15-15-0-15-15-0-15-15-0--|

D
A|--0-17-17-0-17-17-0-17-17-0-17-17-0-17-17-0--|

C
A|--0-15-15-0-15-15-0-15-15-0-15-15-0-15-15-0--|

B
A|--0-14-14-0-14-14-0-14-14-0-14-14-0-14-14-0--|

Am
A|--0-12-12-0-12-12-0-12-12-0-12-12-0-12-12-0--|

G#
A|--0-11-11-0-11-11-0-11-11-0-11-11-0-11-11-0--|


he said the acoustic version hado nly chords... the chords I gave match the ones here... only I left the G# out...

pay attention boy.

then Matt plays:


---------Am---------B-----------C----------D---------C----------B----------Am---------B---

|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|--------2----------4-----------5----------7---------5----------4----------2----------4--|
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|--------0----------2-----------3----------5---------3----------2----------0----------2--|
|--0--0-------0--0--------0--0-------0--0------0--0-------0--0-------0--0-------0--0-----|


there... the chords I gave match that lick exactly...

now quit your crying and next time read the post so that you understand it before you come out and look like an ass.

[Ril]

play those chords as open chords and you'll realise it doesn't. although it does sound cool.

[jonmar]

I did play them as open chords and it sounded pretty cool... it didn't sound the same of course but that's because there's no open chords in the part of the song...

I would suppose the acoustic version would sound dramatically different :rolleyes:

that's the whole point, right?

he said after the intro there were only chords... and that's what I gave him.

[Ril]

well it has to sound like it or people won't know what you're playing. :) i think i'll stick with the chords in the tab book :)

[jonmar]

if you sing to it it'll sound like it :D

what does the tab book say?

[jonmar]

ah those chords follow the bass line and the riff ...my chords follow the actual melody that Matt plays...

[Ril]

if you sing to it it'll sound like it :D

what does the tab book say?
unfortunately i can't sing :$ i think it says Am G/A F/A E/A. but you could just play Am G F E.

[jonmar]

yeah that is the riff... I still think that if you had an acoustic bass playing the riff and you'd play my chords to that it'd sound cooler :p

[donbenjy]

unfortunately i can't sing :$ i think it says Am G/A F/A E/A. but you could just play Am G F E.

F/A is relative to the bass note, generally you can ignore the /* chords and just play the */ ones, they're more used by bassists, so when matt plays the F chord, chris would play A as opposed to F

edit: :$ i just put dom, instead of chris for bassist! :$ :eek: :ohmy:

[Ril]

F/A is relative to the bass note, generally you can ignore the /* chords and just play the */ ones, they're more used by bassists, so when matt plays the F chord, chris would play A as opposed to F

edit: :$ i just put dom, instead of chris for bassist! :$ :eek: :ohmy:
yeah that's what i do :) but either way, it still sound better than jonmar's tab :D

[jonmar]

in your wildest and wettest dreams :p

[Ril]

yours sounds cool :) just wrong ;) even the tab book says so!

[jonmar]

lol it's not wrong... it's just the harmony of the actual riff... it's what Matt actually plays... xcept not as open chords of course...

it's less boring than the chords in the tab book ;)

[kev]

the way i play it (which i just worked out from playing while reading this) would be the same first three chords Am G F but with a E7 at the end.

[Jonesy]

play those chords as open chords and you'll realise it doesn't. .

Exactly, you never actually said you were talking about single notes, you just wrote a load of chords down.

Why have you written this above the tab?: Am---------B-----------C----------D---------C----------B----------Am---------

To put those at the top of the tab is wrong, play those open chords over it and it'll sound ridiculous. And they are obviously meant to be chords because otherwise you wouldn't have put 'Am' cos A minor is a chord or a key, not a single note!! Who is the one looking 'like an ass' by posting rubbish tabs? "My chords follow the exact melody that Matt plays, they match that lick exactly". Er, that's kind of the problem- Matt isn't playing the root note of the underlying chord. When he's playing a B note on the guitar, the root of the chord is actually a G, playing a B Maj chord will sound plain daft. The guitar part that Matt plays in no way affects or changes the underlying chord progression of the song. Just because Matt plays it differently live to on CD, doesn't change the damn chords of the song!!! Play those chords over that riff and it'll sound 'cooler'? I think 'ridiculous' would be a more apt way of describing the resulting cacophony.

[jonmar]

I put it up there to indicate where the chord would be played... not to indicate that it should be played over that tab. so what's wrong with it?

and even if I was playing a B chord I could still play a G on the bass... none of you seemed to get the point. it's not meant to be played on top of the original song for Christ's sake... I said you could play it like that because those are the notes Matt plays...

sure you can play the regular chords... but that's fucking boring when you consider the riff is being played throughout the verse anyway by the bass...

my "tab" isn't rubbish. it's not even a tab... the kid wanted chords... I gave him possible chords.

[Ril]

hey everyone chill! it's only a song :) i personally like your chord sequence and i'm going to nick it for a future possible song :p

[Jonesy]

hey everyone chill! it's only a song :) i personally like your chord sequence and i'm going to nick it for a future possible song :p

Well that's basically my point Ril, nice chords they may be, but for a different song, not Citizen Erased! Bearing mind this is a Citizen Erased thread, I thought that was kinda important, but there you go! :)

[jonmar]

I will prove it to you nay sayers :p

[Ril]

nay nay we say! :p

[Egrodyne]

nay nay we say! :p

....And your a twat we say :rolleyes:

[kev]

wo that was a bit uncalled for.. no more of that please.

[Ril]

and you're a cock i say. go have puberty.

[Egrodyne]

wo that was a bit uncalled for.. no more of that please.

Oh but of course king Kev *hands over bribe money* :D ....... :indiff:


....naa i really am sorry about that comment, i've been more than bored tonight :rolleyes:

[kev]

good good :) now are you two going to kiss and make up ;)

back to ce then....

[YellowSphere]

Has the new riff at Glasto been mentioned here yet?

[Matthijs]

Yes.. somewere in the forum anyways :p

but.. if someone has accoustic citizen erased..contact me please!

[Matthijs]

Pulling the thread up a bit..really want to have ce accoustic :LOL:

[jonmar]

there's 2 versions of CE acoustic on microcuts.net

the covers section...

[Ril]

there's 2 versions of CE acoustic on microcuts.net

the covers section...
do they play the chords you mentioned? ;)

i'm sorry too.

[jonmar]

heh no they don't... :'(

[ashed]

how do you silence the bottom a string after the first two notes. you play them and then do the harmonics on the other string, but if i try and silence the a to stop it ringing it sound horrible with the distortion or worse i get a harmonic from the a string

any help?

[Doog]

I use my thumb, you have to be careful not to mute it at a point where a harmonic can be made... I tend to mute it at around the 2nd fret, seems to work well enough

[ashed]

cheers i'll give that a try

[0ptriX]

I dunno, I just use the middle area of my thumb.

[ashed]

yeah that works, thanks

[ashed]

also does anyone know how i can jump around and play the riff like he does live? when i jump my guitar is hard to control. any tips?

[scatterbrain]

I mute it with the index finger of my left hand, when i put it on the place where the harmonic sounds. If you know what I try to say. Works best for me.

[donbenjy]

theers a knack to it, you have to find the centre of balance of he guitar and learn to counter-balance it as you jump....its tricky, lol try playing pbi while spinning in circles!!! :LOL:

[ashed]

yeh i know, impressive stuff.

just i might b performing this at a battle of the bands event. we might b aloud one cover. and i dont want to rock the riff by standing there playing it. it would be cool if i can play and move as much as possible for that part, u know

[ashed]

to get good harmonics, use bridge pickup, bass eq down, mid 2 o'clock, treble full, and pick right next to the bridge, or the bridge pickup

that should help

[ashed]

how do you play the bit where it goes 5-5-5 at the top. i dont want the tab, but im finding the hand positioning hard. any help?

[donbenjy]

huh? whch bit?

[ashed]

2.08 in

especially at the end, where it goes from 8 to -12 on the top e, do you use 2 fingers to get passed that?

i gotta know this comfortably coz im hoping to play this live :unsure:

[donbenjy]

i play b-2/5-, which lets me drop into the barré on the 5th fret for the verse quickly....i slide up with the barré on though...

[ashed]

whats b-2/5 ?

[donbenjy]

2.08 is the slide before the arpeggios of verse 2 right?

e------
b-2-/-5
g------
d------
a------
E------

2nd fret to 5th fret sliding up...


which would be e-9-12- on the e string....i dont THINK its C to E, C# to E i think...hng on

[ashed]

yeh that bar is fine, but the following are quite tricky. i guess its awkward to help. its awkward to play too! im not liking this

[donbenjy]

no, i dont like this bit...its b--1-/-5--- btw, its C natural :$ yeh, i barré with my indew finger and then come back down the fretboard from 8 with my little finger for the arpeggios

[Phill]

i play it as it is in the tab book, just shuffle are fingers around as you play i dont have my guitar here this second so can't play it through but i'm sure it works..... how unhelpful of me :rolleyes:

[ashed]

no, i dont like this bit...its b--1-/-5--- btw, its C natural :$ yeh, i barré with my indew finger and then come back down the fretboard from 8 with my little finger for the arpeggios

yeh thats the only bit i can do quickly. the rest is all over the place

[Phill]

actually im completely confused now i dunno which part of the song you are talking about, i'm gonna go get the CD

[donbenjy]

yeh thats the only bit i can do quickly. the rest is all over the place

yeh, i know what you mean, you have to find the chords and the bits that change...its not TOO hard, but theres subtle differences between things that happen in the same area so you have to be careful

[Phill]

are you playing the hullabaloo book version or the studio version because the origin book version of it is confusing me have 3 guitars haha, if you are try the hullabaloo version because that one is simpler, uhh the slide thing, isn't it

e:---------5---8---7---6---5
b:----------5---5---5---5---5
g:--2/5------5---5---5---5---5

we are talking about this bridgey bit aren't we?

[donbenjy]

yeh, but im sure its C/E, not A/C :S....when i play that, it sound right... :p

[Phill]

both books say that, watch a live clip pretty sure thats how he plays, tis how i play it anyways....

[Phill]

so which bits are causing the problems?? the 3rd 4th and 5th fret parts?

[ashed]

i can play that one bar, the others i've formed shapes now and i guess it'll come with time. my hand is stretching tho, and currently hurts

im using the studio book

[Phill]

ok, might be worth printing the live tab, but i guess that bit is the same in the studio and the live, the bit i find hard to play through keeping the momentum going is the

e:------5----4----3-----------3
b:----3---3----3-------3-------
g:--4------4-----4---5---4-----
..........................^ from here
and

e:-----4-----4-------------------------
b:---3---3--------3----0--3------3-----
g:-4-------4----4------------------4---
d:-------------------3--------2------0-
.........................^from here

[ashed]

thanks for the help. either way, i think im stuck with this bit in the piece im gonna have to practise a lot. wish me luck! ha

[Phill]

ok good luck, try watching some live performances and see how matt moves his fingers, from what i've seen of him playing it live he has rubber fingers and can get them in some pretty awkward positions...

[donbenjy]

yeh, thats where i find it hard...i played it through n it is a/c :$ again :p

i fidn that some of the arpeggios decreasin in pitch sound like the actual song!

edit: that was at phills last post, not the one above this :p

[Ash]

Has anyone got a tab for the higher guitar part (played on G B & E I think) for the studio version?

Want to record multi tracks:D

[Phill]

look in the offical book

OoS (http://zmeba.free.fr/frame2.htm)

[Ash]

look in the offical book

OoS (http://zmeba.free.fr/frame2.htm)


Hmmm ok.

*gets lost in new born and realises he can't read music*

[ashed]

just want to say, that tricky quieter bit i had trouble with earlier in CE does get easier with time. i can finally play it.

and i gotta do so for one of 3 songs for a battle of the bands audition this sunday! if the drummer and bass player goes too fast in the quiet bit like in rehershal, im screwed again tho!

damn bass n drum players

ha..drum and bass

anyway, wish me luck!

[red]

for the low a you need a 56 gauge string otherwise it wont have the tension for a decent sound (otherwise it just sounds crap)

[ashed]

nah mine sounds fine actually. but b4 i had my guitar changed, it did sound bad. so it varies

[J-o_s-h]

often uses the bomber ? I don't think so...I only heard he just uses it for TOADA if I'm not wrong.Ah ah ahhhh he uses it for quite a few songs...Hysteria as well...heh i dont know the rest!

[ReinierK]

Ah ah ahhhh he uses it for quite a few songs...Hysteria as well...heh i dont know the rest!

I think he basically can use it for any song not recorded with his Mansons... Hysteria was recorded on a SG, so was TIRO.

I only saw him play TIRO live once and I think he used one of his mansons for it, bit that's because he used some MIDI triggered effects.

[GaelicRockStar]

for the low a you need a 56 gauge string otherwise it wont have the tension for a decent sound (otherwise it just sounds crap)

is the 56 alright with a regular set of 10s or do power chords sound a bit off when playing in standard tuning because its a lot heavier than the adjacent A string?

[biohazard]

Sorry if this has been asked but what is the new CE glasto riff he played just before going into the solo?

[GaelicRockStar]

(low)A:|-0-0-3-0-5-0-7-0-10-0-12-12-12-12-10-5-3-5-5-5-3

its not perfect but it'll do if u crack up the distortion

[CheeseToastie]

Hey

I was just wondering has anyone been able to tab the lil funky riff Matt played about 3 an a half minutes into Citizen Erased at Earls court on Monday. Ive tried but got nowhere its sounds like its around the 12th fret on the A.

Any help would be greatly appreciated

[no3chris]

its on the low a and its been tabbed loads of times, if its what u mean

[Ollie of Symmetry]

A:-0-3-0-5-0-6-0-7-0-10-0-12-0-10-0-5-3-3/5-5-3-0 (times 2)

there ya go, i hope ya can make sence of that :cool:

[CheeseToastie]

Kool thank you very much

[Chris No1]

you couldn't get that by ear??? :LOL:

maybe you should be worried!

Chris

[daniel]

oooh harsh... but true

[Doog]

A:-0-3-0-5-0-6-0-7-0-10-0-12-0-10-0-5-3-3/5-5-3-0 (times 2)

there ya go, i hope ya can make sence of that :cool:
A:-0-3---0-5---0-6---0-7---0-10---7-7-0-12---12-10---0-5-3-5b6r5-3~
is what I get, only replacing 5b6b5-3~ with 5b6r5-3-0- the 2nd time

[Chris No1]

oooh harsh... but true

we were all thinking it, just i'm the only one stupid enough to say it...

[wowsplat]

i was wondering if anyone knew if matt used some special pedal to do the part of the song where he begins to strum really hard and bend strings...basically making his guitar scream.

the pedals i use are, FF, DL4 and DigitTech Whammy4. My settings on the FF are VOL-5 GATE-11 COMP-11 DRIVE-5 STAB-5/ DL4 i use the AUTO-VOL ECHO and the WHAMMY at 2OCTS up. After I kick the FF pedal off and begin playing the arpeggios on CLEAN then kick on the DL4 for the "TRUTHs unwinding" part and kick the whammy on and off to get that beeping effect he does live... best i can replicate it. right after that part he begins to play the start of the song again then he goes strumming crazy, does he use another pedal/effect for this? i cant get my bends to stand out as much as he does... i have a 10watt marshall practice amp....maybe thats the reason it sucks?

[Simno]

i was wondering if anyone knew if matt used some special pedal to do the part of the song where he begins to strum really hard and bend strings...basically making his guitar scream.

the pedals i use are, FF, DL4 and DigitTech Whammy4. My settings on the FF are VOL-5 GATE-11 COMP-11 DRIVE-5 STAB-5/ DL4 i use the AUTO-VOL ECHO and the WHAMMY at 2OCTS up. After I kick the FF pedal off and begin playing the arpeggios on CLEAN then kick on the DL4 for the "TRUTHs unwinding" part and kick the whammy on and off to get that beeping effect he does live... best i can replicate it. right after that part he begins to play the start of the song again then he goes strumming crazy, does he use another pedal/effect for this? i cant get my bends to stand out as much as he does... i have a 10watt marshall practice amp....maybe thats the reason it sucks?

Nope it is just raw feedback, and I don't think he is using his fuzz live at all, just doesn't sound like it to me. On CE it's just the amazingly saturated Diezel heads nowadays, in the past, whatever head he happened to be using. He doesn't have a floor mounted FF.

Having said that I do use a fuzz playing that and just get really close to the amp, and let my bend trail off into a harmonic and into feedback by lightening pressure on the string with my fretting hand. Works quite well. I think you need a beefier amp really mate, especially with the quality of pedals your putting into it, try at least a 25w, they are still most definately fine for home usage, if that's an issue.

[muse12]

how can you fade-in the notes like in the part after the chorus?

and what is matt playing just before the start of citizen erased on his seven string at Islington Acedemy: mms://195.173.73.27/xfm2003/webcasts/musehi.wmv

it starts at 16 minutes and 21 seconds after Blackout.

[bkaa]

i was wondering if anyone knew if matt used some special pedal to do the part of the song where he begins to strum really hard and bend strings...basically making his guitar scream.

the pedals i use are, FF, DL4 and DigitTech Whammy4. My settings on the FF are VOL-5 GATE-11 COMP-11 DRIVE-5 STAB-5/ DL4 i use the AUTO-VOL ECHO and the WHAMMY at 2OCTS up. After I kick the FF pedal off and begin playing the arpeggios on CLEAN then kick on the DL4 for the "TRUTHs unwinding" part and kick the whammy on and off to get that beeping effect he does live... best i can replicate it. right after that part he begins to play the start of the song again then he goes strumming crazy, does he use another pedal/effect for this? i cant get my bends to stand out as much as he does... i have a 10watt marshall practice amp....maybe thats the reason it sucks?

yeah man get a better amp thats a piece of shit what your playing through no offence at all

[Memorandum]

how can you fade-in the notes like in the part after the chorus?

and what is matt playing just before the start of citizen erased on his seven string at Islington Acedemy: mms://195.173.73.27/xfm2003/webcasts/musehi.wmv

it starts at 16 minutes and 21 seconds after Blackout.

I haven't listened to that, but I'm guessing a volume pedal or that auto-swell thing on the DL4?

[Appelstroop]

most people seem to play th harmonic bit on the second string,i just play it on the thick string and sounds the same

[Jabbin]

I wonder if any of you guys could help me? I'm trying to teach myself citizen erased (on a 6 string), but there are two bits that I just cant seem to get.

First is the bit that starts:

----5--8--7--6--5
------5--5--5--5--5
--------5--5--5--5--5



until
------------------12
-----------------9
---------------9
------------12
i cant get most of it, its just the kinda middle bit to this that i cant get:

----4-----4----------------
--3---3-------3--0-3-3----
4-------4---4----------4---
----------------3----2---0-

I just cant seem to get the correct picking patter, and cant even work out how it is fretted.

The next bit that I cant get is later when he sings "For one moment" whilst playing a similar melody:

--------1------
---1-----1--1-
--2--2-----2---
3-------------- etc...

This is the same chord sequence as when he plays "For one moment" earlier on the two A strings and D strings as:

d: 7--5--6
a: 8--3--7
A: 8--3--7 etc...



but I dont think what is in the tab book is exactly right.

If anyone could possible help me I would be very grateful. Thanx alot guys.

[Phill]

just keep practicing it took me a while to get that bridge bit, just play it through slowly til u get it right like that, then build it up. the chorus part is pretty easy, just listen to the live version of the song and your'll hear how to play it, i'd reccomend the hullabaloo tab over the origin tab... hope that helps slightly. just be patient with it and play it everyday or you'll forget how to play it as i have :indiff: good luck :)

[Jabbin]

how do people fret the chords:

e:-8------------ 12
b:-10----------- 9
g:-10-----to---- 9
d:-------------- 12

[Phill]

8------1st
10-----3rd
10-----2nd

10 barre with first
10
10

11-----2nd
10\_barre with first
10/

then barre the 9's and use ur pinky to move up and down the 12's or you might be able to use pinky on the e string and 3rd finger on the d

hope that helps

[wowsplat]

yep yep :p

[benashhug]

Can anyone tab this?? If you don't know what im talking about, its the solo, which ISNT on the album version of CE, its played just before the main riff in the middle of the song.

Thanks.

[Phill]

its here somewhere, lots of posts/ threads about it, have a looksy :)

[polka_dot_princess]

about 4.30 minutes into Citzen Erased, a guitar with a bunch of chords come in....(just like to say I LOVE the way the guitar comes in with the feedback going through the ch.)...anyway I would be really gratefull if anyone could give the TAB for this section as I am too stupid to TAB it out myself. :LOL:



Anyone else fiond the solo tricky? :confused:

Thanks x

[Phill]

uhhh do u mean the bit where it kicks in after the quiet chorus??
if so its something like

e1-0-0-0
b1-1-0-0
g2-0-1-1
d3-2-2-0
a--------
A--------


maybe each chord about 4 times i'm not sure, this is off the top of my head, are we talking live or studio here??

[freakonaleashx]

Ive never bothered to learn the solo... On the album it sounds just like he's improvising it so just improv in..... A minor is what I do...

[Phill]

the live solo's quite easy, just sounds a bit empty without other instruments and loud with looks of feedback and stuff. i'd checkout the hullabaloo tab over the orign tab polka

[polka_dot_princess]

I have no Hullabulloo TAB, the Oos book does not cover it :(

[daveno1]

i thought it was hard at first but the live versions realy easy

[brainbored]

Yeah, it sounds like he is fiddling with his fuzz factory for most of it. I like it better than the live solo, but i have tried to recreate what he does with my FF and its really hard and i'm guessing he came to similar conclusions. Maybe. The album version is my favourite muse solo.

[Klawn]

Yeah, a lot of the notes are played with the Stab knob.
It's almost impossible to do the exact same thing, maybe Matt had put some marks near the Stab to know where he had to put it to have the right note, so maybe not really improvised... :]

[Jabnit]

When Matt plays the intro for the 2nd time before the solo, what is the tab? Its the same key but a different tab :stunned: If you know what I mean.

If you don't, are you able to tab it for me cuz there are some fast tabbers on here and it would take me ages :rolleyes:

Cheers!!! :D

[Willa]

figure it out for yourself. I think someone tabbed it out on here before, but I personally play it a bit like this (it changes every time I play it cos I just piss around with slides):
(all on the E string which has been tuned down to an A)

0-0-3-0-5-0-6-7-0-0-12-0-10-0-5-0-6-7-6-5-3
that bit at the end you can play with
you play that twice and do uber sliding!

[Jabnit]

OK, cheers for now :) When I practice it, I will try to improve it if I can, if its not accurate. Then post it on here.

[Muse_Cubed]

I do it on bass...why not? Guitarists don't deserve all the fun :indiff:

[musecasters]

yes we do, we're way cooler! :) :cool:

[Jabbin]

yes we do, we're way cooler! :) :cool:

he's got a point, you know :p

[Jabnit]

Yeah! :p

That tab works fine anyway 'Willa' :) Thanks for your help ;)

[Doog]

A:-0-3---0-5---0-6---0-7---0-10---7-7-0-12---12-10---0-5-3-5b6r5-3~
is what I get, only replacing 5b6b5-3~ with 5b6r5-3-0- the 2nd time


^^ that's what I posted in the big citizen erased thread

[Jabnit]

Yeah, I ws looking for that thread :confused:

Thanks anyway, it looks more accurate

[Doog]

there's a link to it at the bottom of this thread :LOL:

[Beast Love]

i was actually thinking about this this morning...was making up riffs in my head...oh well...it's here now

[Jabnit]

Hi,

I really need some help with the citizen erased solo. I don't understand the weird bends and effects very well, so has anybody got the basic tab for it just so I can play (bend/pick) it my own way.

e.g. I don't want: G:-12~~--14-16/17\16~~~---21-- e.t.c.
I want for e.g. G:-12--14-16-17-16-21

It citizen solo looks simple, but I can't crack it! :D

[Phill]

uhh well after the verse style bit up the A string after the 17's (this is all the the top of my head so sorry if its wrong)
the you go
G 9^ bend 11^ bend 12^ bend then uhhh actually i'm gonna look at a tab book can't remember the next bit

i'll do a decent tab for you haha

[Jabnit]

Okay, cheers. Would help a lot if you done me a tab ;)

[Phill]

ok here we go

ok so ~means to bend it like that, and tp means trem pick (not TP for my bumholio)

e---------------------------------------------------------------
b---------------------------------------------------------------
g-------------0----9~---11~---12~------0tp--14tp--16tp--17tp--0
d----------0--0-------0-----0----------0tp--------------------0
a17-17-- 0 0--------------------------------12tp--14tp--15tp--0
A---------------------------------------------------------------
just bend up the 15 half a semitone then pick it x3 and bend back to normal pitch here V strike behind nut V
e---------------------------------X--------------------------------------
b--15^½ 15^15^15---13tp-----------X--15--16~ 18~--17t18-18~-18t19-19~----
g---------------------------------X--------------------------------------
d---------------------------------X--------------------------------------
a---------------------------------X--------------------------------------
A-----------------------------/18\-X--------------------------------------

e-------------------------------------------------------------------
b---19^-19^-21^21^--------------------------------------------------
g-------------------------------2-2-0--020tr~--2--0--1--------------
d--------------------------------------------------------222222222PM
a-------------------------------0-0----------------------000000000PM
A----------------------17slide0--------------------------000000000PM

PM=palm mute

edit: damn formatting, it should all line up now hope that helps you out

[Phill]

haha just noticed in the hullabaloo tab book it says
"Originally played on a 7 string Mansun guitar tuned:
7 = A, 6 = A, 5 = D, 4 = D, 3 = G, 2 = B, 1 = E, where the 5th and 4th are in unisons and 7th and 6th are in octaves.

ok firstly i want a Mansun

secondly, i've been wondering for a while, whats the point in playing CE on a 7 string when he just has 2 strings tuned to identical D's ??
i can't see how that can help anything, it just makes bits of the song trickier to play...

[Jabbin]

OK i have a few questions about this song.

I am trying to perfect it so that it can be the 1st song I can play to performance standard, and one that I can play really well.

Firstly, after Matt does the first part of the clean bit (live) finishing on

-------------12
------------9
----------9
-------12

He sings "self expressed" blah blah blah...

What is he playing underneath this. On all recent live performances there seems to be two things, a delay bit and a tremelo bit underneath. Its hard to describe, but it doesn't sound like what it says in the hullabaloo tab book. On the hullabaloo version it sounds like the tremelo underneathy bit, but without the delay bit on top.

Secondly, anyone got any ideas of how I can get that sireny noise that plays at the end in the background, anyone got any recordings of it or anything?

Thirdly, the last part I learnt was the solo, and to be honest when I do it it sounds crap. Really weak, as well as being unpracticed and inaccurate, it just sounds crap. Any tips on how to play it well?

[Ash]

He plays this.



B 5
G 5
D 7

B 3
G 4
D 5

B 1
G 2
D 3

B 0
G 1
D 2



Hope that helps.

[Jabbin]

I mean the bit before that. right after the 12-9-9-12 bit

[Ash]

:indiff:

Can you sample it for me? On the version I'm listening too there's a short pause of guitar at the end of the 12 9 9 12 and straigt into what I put.

[Jabbin]

is there a program which i can use to cut a section out of a piece of music and save it?

[Phill]

he plays some volume swells on the 12 and the 14 frets of the second A string. 12 then 14 then 12 then 14, then on to the bit that ash said. the beeping sound is something chris activates with a floor board, no one plays it. hope that helps.

[Phill]

and for the solo, a fair bit of distortion and feedback, there isn't really much to the guitar solo so it sounds a bit weak with out the drums and the bass.

[Ash]

I always wondered how they got that sound! I thought it was some kind of brushing or tapping of the strings with a delay:LOL:.

Silly Ashley.

Which CE version are you listening to Jacien?

[Jabbin]

(Jabbin) well the Earl's Court 1 mainly but i think its the same on the glasto 1 too.

Im now experimenting with different settings. I have a Zoom GFX-1 multi effects pedal. Im not too keen on changing lots of different settings during the song. I have one distortion, one clean and one clean with "slow attack" for volume swells.

How should I have the distortion does anyone think? It as a few amp models:

OD
Distortion
Lead
Clean

are the best. Also, eq settings 1 - 50.

[Phill]

haha Jabbin not jaicen, did he mention hullabaloo i can't remember... theres a backing track in the muse covers thread Jabbin, practice along to that, that'll help to no end :)

[Jabbin]

Oh sorry, yer, thanx for all the help guys. Owh its a shame, I really like that beeping sound. Grr.

[Jabbin]

haha Jabbin not jaicen, did he mention hullabaloo i can't remember... theres a backing track in the muse covers thread Jabbin, practice along to that, that'll help to no end :)

OK you I love! Cheers!

(this is like, the only time people have actually helped me and been nice on this board!)

[Jabbin]

Sorry, whats the backing track called?

[Phill]

Backing Track (http://board.muse.mu/showpost.php?p=985131&postcount=919)

there you go, glad to help :)

[Ash]

Hehehe when I wrote it I thought to myself "when I hit reply I'll check I've gott the right name as I'm not sure" I got caught up in playing CE and never bothered to check!

Sorry about that!

[i_love_muse-ic]

i've actually updated that backing track but i haven't put it on my site, it sounds better, much better

[Jabbin]

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i've actually updated that backing track but i haven't put it on my site, it sounds better, much better

any chance of a quick ol' send... furious_Calm@hotmail.com

[smiddy]

i'm learning the arpeggiated bit in the citizen erased verse at the moment having one hell of a hard time - probably just because i suck at guitar, but aye.

any tips? help etc? please.

[because]

alternate picking

End of

[smiddy]

aye, i'm trying to do that but it's so hard :'( lol ill get it eventually. im just mega unco.

[Lick My Face]

I never knew that Matt used the FF in CE. Does he have one built in, or is it on his pedalboard?

[Calv163]

He recorded it with the silver manson, but changed the E to a thicker string, so he used the in built on, you can hear it in the solo. He doesn't use it live tho

[kev]

its a shame he doesnt have a ff for that live, cos thats gotta be the coolest sound he's got out of that pedal in that solo

[Twin]

it is indeed AADDGBE, but the low A is tuned with a heavier gauge....whatever that means....im just reading what it says on the tab book..i dont really know what i'm talking about.

yeah, he uses a heavier string on the bottom A. probably a bass a-string

[Miller]

This will probably get moved to the Citizen Erased thread but I wanted it to get some attention of it's own first.

Does anyone know the tab for that little riff that Matt did in CE live at Earls Court? I had never heard it before. The part before the solo where he sings "...so freeeeeeee" and instead of 0 0 12 0 12 12 0 12 12 0 12 and so on, he does some totally random riff I thought was awesome.

[Ash]

Top of my head it's

A: 0 - 3 - 0 - 5 - 0 - 6 - 0 - 7 - 0 - 10 - 0 - 0 - 12 - 12 - 0 - 10 - 0 - 5 - 3 - 5^ - 5 - 3 - 0 - 3 - 0 - 5 - 0 - 6 - 0 - 7 - 0 - 10 - 0 - 0 - 12 - 12 - 0 - 10 - 0 - 5 - 3 - 5^ - 5 - 3 - 0 - 3 then on with the riff.

But the whole point of the CE thread is for questions like this.

Incidentally it's been asked and answered many a time before so if there is a thread on a topic please use that in future.

[Ash]

alternate picking

End of

I do it down picking.

But I alt pic on PIB.

It's odd, but I've recently started to be able to alt pic on microcuts so I think as my alt picking gets stronger I'll be able to alt pic that but at the moment down pics all the way.

Matt downpics doesn't he?

[Ash]

its a shame he doesnt have a ff for that live, cos thats gotta be the coolest sound he's got out of that pedal in that solo

Damn right, maybe we should have a competition and the winner gets a pack of strings or something.

"Who can best type that sound"

My attempt is.

NEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWo ooooahHHHHHHHHHHHHHWAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONEOWWWWWWWW WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ... solo.

[Doog]

oh man I just knew he'd ask that exact question

[DominicHoward]

oh man I just knew he'd ask that exact question

likewise

[Dodge]

On my favourite muse track citizen erased, there are two sounds in the background that have made me wonder how have they been created I've goggled it quite a bit but I can't find anything. I have a feeling of how they have been created but I can't really experiment at the moment because of saving up for my new amp. But anyways...

At about 5:07 there is something that sounds a bit like a siren, which gradually gets sharper and then begins to sort of pulsate at 5:12. And then at about 5:50 I can hear something sweeping certain band of frequencies (sort of sounds like a wah sweeping interference when you have a high gain setting on your amp, but it’s not), which then begins to pan left and right which then ends at about 6:37.

Any info appreciated ta.

[Lick My Face]

On my favourite muse track citizen erased, there are two sounds in the background that have made me wonder how have they been created I've goggled it quite a bit but I can't find anything. I have a feeling of how they have been created but I can't really experiment at the moment because of saving up for my new amp. But anyways...

At about 5:07 there is something that sounds a bit like a siren, which gradually gets sharper and then begins to sort of pulsate at 5:12. And then at about 5:50 I can hear something sweeping certain band of frequencies (sort of sounds like a wah sweeping interference when you have a high gain setting on your amp, but it’s not), which then begins to pan left and right which then ends at about 6:37.

Any info appreciated ta.

I'm hazarding a guess at fiddling around with a synth?

[Miller]

Top of my head it's

A: 0 - 3 - 0 - 5 - 0 - 6 - 0 - 7 - 0 - 10 - 0 - 0 - 12 - 12 - 0 - 10 - 0 - 5 - 3 - 5^ - 5 - 3 - 0 - 3 - 0 - 5 - 0 - 6 - 0 - 7 - 0 - 10 - 0 - 0 - 12 - 12 - 0 - 10 - 0 - 5 - 3 - 5^ - 5 - 3 - 0 - 3 then on with the riff.

But the whole point of the CE thread is for questions like this.

Incidentally it's been asked and answered many a time before so if there is a thread on a topic please use that in future.

Thanks, and I did use the search function, read through a ton of threads. You have no idea how many posts contain the words Citizen Erased and Earls Court.

[Phill]

On my favourite muse track citizen erased, there are two sounds in the background that have made me wonder how have they been created I've goggled it quite a bit but I can't find anything. I have a feeling of how they have been created but I can't really experiment at the moment because of saving up for my new amp. But anyways...

At about 5:07 there is something that sounds a bit like a siren, which gradually gets sharper and then begins to sort of pulsate at 5:12. And then at about 5:50 I can hear something sweeping certain band of frequencies (sort of sounds like a wah sweeping interference when you have a high gain setting on your amp, but it’s not), which then begins to pan left and right which then ends at about 6:37.

Any info appreciated ta.

the first sounds like a fuzz factory and then lots of delay i'd say

[smiddy]

the first sounds like a fuzz factory and then lots of delay i'd say
no it doesnt :rolleyes:

it sounds like a synth.

try the Boss PC-2

[Phill]

sounds likes the ocsillation of a fuzz factory being increased in pitch slowly and then a repeated delay of the last little part or pitch increasing. i bet i could make the exact same sound from my fuzz factory and delay pedal... :rolleyes:

[kev]

Thanks, and I did use the search function, read through a ton of threads. You have no idea how many posts contain the words Citizen Erased and Earls Court.
if you'd of been sneaky you could of come to this thread and used the search this thread function with earls court ;)

[Miller]

Hmmm...I never noticed that function. Thanks for pointing it out to me. I found it in about 30 seconds. Oh.....technology...

[Lick My Face]

I dunno if this has been posted before, but I have, after a lot of research found that the tuning for Citizen Erased...is NOT AADDGBE.

The proof is in the PowerTAB. I downloaded it a while ago, and it sounded perfect. Then I looked at the tuning for the 7-String parts: they were all AEADGBE.

So, I changed the tuning to the AADDGBE...and it sounded so terribly wrong. Especially right at the beginning, with the Power Chords. Then it hit me: E is a 5th up from A.

There's my evidence, if anyone wants to hear the TAB, e-mail me (you'll need PowerTAB Editor to use it, obviously).

Thanks for listening.

[Memorandum]

...erm...that's because the powertab was made on the basis of AEADGBE...

[Memorandum]

oh, and what power chords at the start?

the intro is just on the low A with harmonics, then the next bit is all on the low A string.

[Lick My Face]

Why don't I send you the PowerTAB, then you'll know what I mean?

[Memorandum]

the powertab won't prove anything. If it's been made assuming the song is in AEADGBE, changing the tuning to AADDGBE without transposing the tab is obviously going to make it sound wrong. It's no different than trying to play a song that's in drop D in standard tuning.

if you watch Matt playing live you can see that he plays the verses on the sixth string, which means it HAS to be A and not E.

[Doog]

I dunno if this has been posted before, but I have, after a lot of research found that the tuning for Citizen Erased...is NOT AADDGBE.
yes it is

[Lick My Face]

I have since corrected myself by transcribing the TAB into the AADDGBE tuning. :$

I don't even play Guitar, but I do like to get into the theory of it all.

[Jabnit]

Okay, I give up. When I do the Citizen Erased solo, it sound shit. Its in tone/key but when I play it I don't know whether to either bend & hold the strings or constantly bend them up & down. It is hard because of the effects used but I just copy off the live version (finish it with quick hammer on & pull offs on G string / 2nd fret). Perhaps its just the sound of my guitar. I have a ZOOM multi effects whammy pedal and I use either G5 or G6 with gain/fuzz distortion and that helps. I suppose ots better than nout but it sounds crap for some reason. What do you think? What does your CI solo sound like?

(i use a 6 string guitar. not 7.) Unfortunatley :chaplin:
ta.

[kev]

I have a ZOOM multi effects

there's the problem :happy:

ok i have nothing helpful to add so i'll shut up

[Jabnit]

there's the problem :happy:

ok i have nothing helpful to add so i'll shut up
So what should I use instead of that pedal? It isn't that bad you know. I like it more than my Fuzz Factory anyway...

[Phill]

use a nice chunky amp distortion :)

[dukelion]

Can somebody post the Citizen Erased drums only in a midi file or something please? :confused:

[anonymousanimal]

Great sign in name!

Big Dumb Face is genious!!!

[Jabbin]

OK so I've decided to start playing Citizen Erased again, and so have taken off my E string and replaced it with a thicker string so it can be tuned to A. I used to do this all the time with my Squier, and didn't worry about it. However, I noticed that this somewhat ruined the guitars um ... tightness? And It used to lose tuning more than it would before and just, wasnt as good? Wasn't too fussed - only a squier. But, now I have by ibanez I don't want the same to happen, and I remember people saying things about altering the bridge or saddles or something for different tuning?

Could someone give me a bit more detail on this so I can do it and thus keep my guitar in nice condition?

Cheers

Jx

[Keys]

just dont change the string :D thats what i do and it works fine

[muse12]

Well... With cheap guitars like Squier and Stagg I have, when a string broke, the whole guitar is out the right tune. So, just what said before don't change a string or... when you have changed you string tune the whole guitar to the right tuning.

[rossini]

dont change just ONE of the strings and not them all, it doesnt work

[integral]

Of course you can change just one string! If you just break one, not much point in whipping the other perfectly good ones off. Replace the string and tune it. Stick your finger under it and slide it up and down. Play the string, it will have gone way off tune. Tune it. Repeat (something like five times) until the string no longer changes pitch after you've stretched it.