The Digital Camera Thread

[Plug_In_Bellamy]

Ello!

I have run out of imagination for what i want for the ol' Christmas period.

I reckon i get myself a camera.

But i don't know anything about them so was wondering if anyone could give some advice and suggestions of good cameras.

I currently have:
http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00006IJK6.01._AA200_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
* 2.0 million effective pixel CCD
* 3X optical zoom lens (38 - 114mm, 35mm equivalent)
* Fast operation
* Low power consumption - uses just two AA batteries
* Sliding lens cover
* Movie capture (320 x 240 pixel) movie mode
* Programmed auto exposure mode
* Multiple flash modes
* xD-Picture Card compatible
* 1.5 inch TFT (55,000 pixel) LCD screen
* Includes FinePix Viewer and ImageMixer VCD for FinePix software
* Webcam facility

* Depth: 5.2 cm
* Enclosure Colour: Metallic silver
* Height: 6.5 cm
* Localisation: English
* Product Type: Digital camera
* Weight: 0.2 kg
* Width: 10 cm

But it's too bulky for me, i want something sleek and more compact, reasons i couldn't bring this out would be because it takes up too much space.
Also you have to stand absolutely frozen to otherwise you get a blury photo!
The video/movie capture doesn't record sound! (Even my phone does that)

Gr

Anyway give me prices, specs, and where i can get it (preferably from UK shops, don't want any shipped things coz i cant wait long! Hehe

Please help

Thanking you in advance!!!! :LOL:

[glasskite]

Ideally what sort of budget are you looking at?

Most cameras these days have anti-shake, sound/video/movie capture and are pretty small.

Some of the other things you wanna take into consideration are the size of the LCD screen, battery life, what type of batteries (some people prefer rechargable, some like using AA/AAA cos its easy to replace when you run out all of a sudden) what type of memory your current camera uses (so you don't necessarily need to buy new ones) eg. SD, memory sticks etc.

[Nincy Face]

I've got this one and I can't express how happy I am with it. :D

http://www.mobitrade.kiev.ua/images/mobiles/olympus/700-Digital.jpg

Stainless steel, weatherproof* body
Digital Image Stabilisation Edit for compensation of blurry images caused by hand-shake
7.1 million pixels
3x optical zoom (equiv. to 35-105mm in 35mm format) 1:2.8-4.7
6.4cm/2.5” LCD with 230,000 pixels
BrightCapture Technology for better low light photography
ISO 64-1600 with full 8MP, ISO 3200 in 3MP mode
20 scene modes (e.g. Sport, Beach & Snow, Candle) plus Programme Auto mode
Movie function with sound (640x480, 30fps). Recording up to memory capacity
Macro and super macro mode (from as near as 10cm)
Internal memory plus xD-Picture Card slot for new high speed cards
Multi-language menu plus possibility to download further languages from the internet
PictBridge compatible
Supplied with Olympus Master Software 1.4 which supports new editing functions of the Olympus High Speed xD-Picture Cards

[inn]

As Wincy said, what's your budget? And what sort of pictures do you want to take with them? If we're just talking snapshots here then you've got a lot of range on offer dependant on budget. If you want to take a lot of videos too then that will also be a consideration.

Things to look out for, go for a higher optical than digital zoom, don't be mislead when people tell you it has a massive digital zoom as that's generally rubbish.

Also as wincy said, battery life is a good one, getting a camera that has it's own rechargable battery and dock is handy or again you can go with rechargable AA/AAAs. Digi cams use to swallo battery power quickly but I think they've improved moreso now.

A large LCD screen is great for reviewing pics and for taking them

Megapixels wise, obviously the more the better, but anything above 2meg is fine for snapshots.

Some camera's allow for more customisation in terms of settings and such or presets for special occasions like nighttime, fast moving things, portraits etc. Might be handy if you want the best out of your camera and you're not sure what to do.

Erm yeah

[Daysleeper]

My camera: Canon EOS 350 D. I absolutely LOVE it.

http://www.digitalretro.co.uk/Canon_350D/Canon-EOS-350D.jpg

Features:

Digital SLR
8.0 MP
3 fps with up to 14 image burst
E-TTL II flash system
DIGIC II
7-point AF
DPP RAW image processing software
Separate RAW/JPEG image recording
USB 2.0 Hi-speed/Video Out
Compatible with EF/EF-S lenses/EX Speedlite flashes
PictBridge compatible

[inn]

:LOL: good olde 350D It only retails at around 450 quid :LOL: Sexhual piece of work tho.

[ʘ]

What's an "SLR"?

And I might buy myself a small, crappy camera for Christmas/Hanuka....

[Daysleeper]

What's an "SLR"?

And I might buy myself a small, crappy camera for Christmas/Hanuka....
The single-lens reflex (SLR) is a type of camera that uses a movable mirror placed between the lens and the film to project the image seen through the lens to a matte focusing screen. Most SLRs use a roof pentaprism or pentamirror to observe the image via an eyepiece, but there are also other finder arrangements, such as the waist-level finder or porro prisms.
The shutter in almost all contemporary SLRs sits just in front of the focal plane. If it does not, some other mechanism is required to ensure that no light reaches the film between exposures. For example, the Hasselblad 500C camera uses an auxiliary shutter blind in addition to its in-lens leaf shutter.
The cross-section (side-view) of the optical components of an SLR shows how the light passes through the lens assembly (1), is reflected by the mirror (2) and is projected on the matte focusing screen (5). Via a condensing lens (6) and internal reflections in the roof pentaprism (7) the image appears in the eyepiece (8). When an image is taken, the mirror moves in the direction of the arrow, the focal plane shutter (3) opens, and the image is projected onto the film or sensor (4) in exactly the same manner as on the focusing screen.
This feature separates SLRs from other cameras, as the photographer sees the image composed exactly as it will be captured on the film or sensor.
Since the technology became widespread in the 1970s, SLRs have become the main type of camera used by dedicated amateur photographers and professionals, though some landscape photographers may prefer view cameras.

It is digital by the way. The main advantage of my camera is that it takes good pictures, even when the weather is crappy, or it is really dark.

:LOL: good olde 350D It only retails at around 450 quid :LOL: Sexhual piece of work tho.
It was expensive, yes. 900 euro!

[crazybobbles]

mmm 400d haha

http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000IKVOE8.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V39804980_.jpg
and no, i dont have one :(

[Zee Deveel]

Also, I wouldn't pay too much attention to the digital zoom that the cameras are advertise as having. You're better off using the zoom in Photoshop etc. They use much better algorithms than the cheap parts used in cameras.

[ʘ]

The single-lens reflex (SLR) is a type of camera that uses a movable mirror placed between the lens and the film to project the image seen through the lens to a matte focusing screen. Most SLRs use a roof pentaprism or pentamirror to observe the image via an eyepiece, but there are also other finder arrangements, such as the waist-level finder or porro prisms.
The shutter in almost all contemporary SLRs sits just in front of the focal plane. If it does not, some other mechanism is required to ensure that no light reaches the film between exposures. For example, the Hasselblad 500C camera uses an auxiliary shutter blind in addition to its in-lens leaf shutter.
The cross-section (side-view) of the optical components of an SLR shows how the light passes through the lens assembly (1), is reflected by the mirror (2) and is projected on the matte focusing screen (5). Via a condensing lens (6) and internal reflections in the roof pentaprism (7) the image appears in the eyepiece (8). When an image is taken, the mirror moves in the direction of the arrow, the focal plane shutter (3) opens, and the image is projected onto the film or sensor (4) in exactly the same manner as on the focusing screen.
This feature separates SLRs from other cameras, as the photographer sees the image composed exactly as it will be captured on the film or sensor.
Since the technology became widespread in the 1970s, SLRs have become the main type of camera used by dedicated amateur photographers and professionals, though some landscape photographers may prefer view cameras.

It is digital by the way. The main advantage of my camera is that it takes good pictures, even when the weather is crappy, or it is really dark.


It was expensive, yes. 900 euro!

wow. Thanks! :)







And my camera has a X8 optical z00m :D

[Daysleeper]

The 400d must be so cool. I was actually quite pissed when I found out that it was released, only 1 day after I bought the 350d.
But I think I wouldn't have had the money for a new 400d anyways. :LOL:
I took my 350d to Italy this summer, I loved using it there. Only bad thing is that the camera is so heavy. My back almost broke from carrying the camera and my waterbottle around all the time. ;)

[Zee Deveel]

You could have sold the camera and got a personal masseuse to rub you better :p

[Daysleeper]

You could have sold the camera and got a personal masseuse to rub you better :p
:D
Volunteers, anyone? ;)

[ʘ]

Another n00bish question: What exactly does the megapixel quality mean? Like, is it just that higher megapixel value means a higher resolution (like 1024X680 or 943983045094X98484504509450)? So if I have a camera, saving the file to a lower resolution will produce a higher quality (as counterintuitive as it might sound)?

[Zee Deveel]

megapixel kinda means the amount of pixel (Those little coloured squares that make up a picture) per inch..


I think.

So 1024 means 1024 pixels per inch?? I think that's it..I;m sure there's more knowledgable folk here.

[ʘ]

So if I shoot a 1024X680 file in a 2 MP and an 8 MP cameras, the quality will be better in the second camera? There will be more pixels in that picture?

[Zee Deveel]

So if I shoot a 1024X680 file in a 2 MP and an 8 MP cameras, the quality will be better in the second camera? There will be more pixels in that picture?

That's what I'm led to believe yeah. DO NOT TAKE IT AS GOSPEL LOLOLOLOLOL

[inn]

mmm 400d haha

http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000IKVOE8.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V39804980_.jpg
and no, i dont have one :(

Hahah :D

I still want a 350d tho :(

So if I shoot a 1024X680 file in a 2 MP and an 8 MP cameras, the quality will be better in the second camera? There will be more pixels in that picture?

In theory, as there would be more pixel/finner detail with more...

However one advantage of having lotsss of pixels is so it allows you to blow up/print pictures to larger sizes without distorting the image :)

[Plug_In_Bellamy]

I've got this one and I can't express how happy I am with it. :D

http://www.mobitrade.kiev.ua/images/mobiles/olympus/700-Digital.jpg

Stainless steel, weatherproof* body
Digital Image Stabilisation Edit for compensation of blurry images caused by hand-shake
7.1 million pixels
3x optical zoom (equiv. to 35-105mm in 35mm format) 1:2.8-4.7
6.4cm/2.5” LCD with 230,000 pixels
BrightCapture Technology for better low light photography
ISO 64-1600 with full 8MP, ISO 3200 in 3MP mode
20 scene modes (e.g. Sport, Beach & Snow, Candle) plus Programme Auto mode
Movie function with sound (640x480, 30fps). Recording up to memory capacity
Macro and super macro mode (from as near as 10cm)
Internal memory plus xD-Picture Card slot for new high speed cards
Multi-language menu plus possibility to download further languages from the internet
PictBridge compatible
Supplied with Olympus Master Software 1.4 which supports new editing functions of the Olympus High Speed xD-Picture Cards

Nincy i quite like the look of that, how much was that and what's its model name?

As for battery life and stuff well course i want dont want it eating up my batteries! Is it better to use rechargables and will it come with them?

Price range wise...well i dont want to spend loads on a camera its just for snapshots, but i'd like good quality video recording and good quality in general. I'd spend less than £200 but i dont know how much good camera cost usually..eeep

HELP!

:LOL:

[alice]

That one above looks pretty good if it's the smallness and sleekness of the camera that counts. The SLRs are fantastic but way too bulky and from the sounds of it, they're not what you're looking for.

Personally I'd reocmmend a Canon, I've used them all my life and their quality is superb. Something like this is great:

Canon IXUS 65:
http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000EW757K.02._SS400_SCLZZZZZZZ_V56157923_.jpg

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Canon-IXUS-Digital-Camera-Optical/dp/B000EW757K/sr=1-1/qid=1164920797/ref=sr_1_1/202-3478911-7295843?ie=UTF8&s=electronics

The IXUS models are very good, I have a couple myself, and this is their newest yet. It's £180 which is pretty good for such quality IMO.

[Wowee Zowee]

i cant wait to go out and use my 350d round here cause theres tonnes of hills and its near the peak district:happy: plus it should be nice with the winter weather and i love landscapes<3

[Beast Love]

I want a 350D. What's the difference between the 350D and the 400D?

[alice]

The 400D is the new model to replace the 350D, there's little difference though really, the 400D has 10mp I believe, compared to the 350's 8 or so. The screen is bigger on the 400 (whoop de doo...) the AF is 9 comapred to 7 on the 350... there's not much in it really though.

edit: if you're wanting t buy a D-SLR I'd recommend the 350D. Due to this new release of the 400D the 350 will probably come down a lot in price, spesh after xmas and all. Look on ebay for supergood deals as well, it's often very worthwhile to buy one secondhand cos you know they're be in great condition as they're semi-pro cameras :)

[Nincy Face]

Nincy i quite like the look of that, how much was that and what's its model name?

As for battery life and stuff well course i want dont want it eating up my batteries! Is it better to use rechargables and will it come with them?

Price range wise...well i dont want to spend loads on a camera its just for snapshots, but i'd like good quality video recording and good quality in general. I'd spend less than £200 but i dont know how much good camera cost usually..eeep

HELP!

:LOL:
Olympus MJU 700. Google it. It's within your budget.

[Beast Love]

The 400D is the new model to replace the 350D, there's little difference though really, the 400D has 10mp I believe, compared to the 350's 8 or so. The screen is bigger on the 400 (whoop de doo...) the AF is 9 comapred to 7 on the 350... there's not much in it really though.

edit: if you're wanting t buy a D-SLR I'd recommend the 350D. Due to this new release of the 400D the 350 will probably come down a lot in price, spesh after xmas and all. Look on ebay for supergood deals as well, it's often very worthwhile to buy one secondhand cos you know they're be in great condition as they're semi-pro cameras :)

Mmm, that sounds like a good plan. I've wanted a 350D since they had adverts for them at the cinema ages ago. I've got about enough money to buy one and not destroy my bank balance.

[crazybobbles]

The 400D is the new model to replace the 350D, there's little difference though really, the 400D has 10mp I believe, compared to the 350's 8 or so. The screen is bigger on the 400 (whoop de doo...) the AF is 9 comapred to 7 on the 350... there's not much in it really though.

edit: if you're wanting t buy a D-SLR I'd recommend the 350D. Due to this new release of the 400D the 350 will probably come down a lot in price, spesh after xmas and all. Look on ebay for supergood deals as well, it's often very worthwhile to buy one secondhand cos you know they're be in great condition as they're semi-pro cameras :)
not true (excluding the ebay route). 350d and 400d are only a £50 difference. Like you said, the differences in features aren't that amazing so they're not goign to to rob you silly £500 is all you need for a 400d (and £450 for 350d)

[inn]

Mmm, that sounds like a good plan. I've wanted a 350D since they had adverts for them at the cinema ages ago. I've got about enough money to buy one and not destroy my bank balance.

Apprently at the mo there's not too much price diff between the 350 and 400, so if you have the extra bit then might as well go woth the 400. Then again the 350 has been around for a while and tried and tested so to speak..

[kazzie]

mmm 400d haha

http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000IKVOE8.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V39804980_.jpg
and no, i dont have one :(

aww diddoms!


For meh..

http://www.vcc-dortmund.de/Bilder/BG-E31.jpg

+

http://www.outbackphoto.com/reviews/equipment/canon_300D_alain/images_2/70-300_f4_.jpg

= Beef!

[ʘ]

One more n00bish question:
Can I figure out the optical zoom just by looking at the lens's specs? For example, from the picture of the 350D above, can I deduce anything from the "18-55mm" bit? (55/18=~ X3 ?)

[alice]

Yeah the 18-55 is 3x optical zoom (so mcuh better than digital zoom lol)

[Nincy Face]

One more n00bish question:
Can I figure out the optical zoom just by looking at the lens's specs? For example, from the picture of the 350D above, can I deduce anything from the "18-55mm" bit? (55/18=~ X3 ?)
That's correct. :D

[Plug_In_Bellamy]

Oooh new update! Budget is now up to £150 :(

Does that affect my choice by much?

[alice]

This one is £150, I'd recommend it :)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Canon-Digital-IXUS-Camera-Optical/dp/B000B5KFGI/sr=1-17/qid=1164984533/ref=sr_1_17/202-3478911-7295843?ie=UTF8&s=electronics

[Jonneh]

aww diddoms!


For meh..

http://www.vcc-dortmund.de/Bilder/BG-E31.jpg

+

http://www.outbackphoto.com/reviews/equipment/canon_300D_alain/images_2/70-300_f4_.jpg

= Beef!

For me...

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9697/20wb2.jpg

+

http://www.outbackphoto.com/reviews/equipment/canon_300D_alain/images_2/70-300_f4_.jpg

+

http://www.ifa-show.com/2005/canon_review/121_canon_speedlite_430ex.jpg

on top

= Much Beefier :(

[glasskite]

This is my camera: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Casio-EX-Z500-Digital-Optical-Battery/dp/B000AQOGAY/sr=1-5/qid=1165170492/ref=sr_1_5/026-6979792-7746837?ie=UTF8&s=electronics

So personally I'd go with Casio, compact but with a good sized lcd screen (2.7 inches), loads of pre-set set ups, anti shake, movie with audio, and really long battery life (500 pics with a single charge). I can go a week or so with normal usage (which includes taking it to gigs).

This one's also in your budget:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Casio-EX-Z70SR-Exilim-Digital-Optical/dp/B000HUV336/sr=1-1/qid=1165170492/ref=sr_1_1/026-6979792-7746837?ie=UTF8&s=electronics

[alice]

For me...
Jealousss :(
I bought the 30D a couple of weeks ago after a long while with my 350D. It's immense, but I'm pretty jealous of your flashes. And that lens. Yeah :(

[Evilduck]

This is my camera: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Casio-EX-Z500-Digital-Optical-Battery/dp/B000AQOGAY/sr=1-5/qid=1165170492/ref=sr_1_5/026-6979792-7746837?ie=UTF8&s=electronics

So personally I'd go with Casio, compact but with a good sized lcd screen (2.7 inches), loads of pre-set set ups, anti shake, movie with audio, and really long battery life (500 pics with a single charge). I can go a week or so with normal usage (which includes taking it to gigs).

This one's also in your budget:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Casio-EX-Z70SR-Exilim-Digital-Optical/dp/B000HUV336/sr=1-1/qid=1165170492/ref=sr_1_1/026-6979792-7746837?ie=UTF8&s=electronics

I have a Casio Exilim model camera as well, and its a really good cam. The batteries last ages and it takes really good pics under normal conditions, plus has quite a few decent settings for gigs etc.

[manicstreetjimmehs]

That one above looks pretty good if it's the smallness and sleekness of the camera that counts. The SLRs are fantastic but way too bulky and from the sounds of it, they're not what you're looking for.

Personally I'd reocmmend a Canon, I've used them all my life and their quality is superb. Something like this is great:

Canon IXUS 65:
http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000EW757K.02._SS400_SCLZZZZZZZ_V56157923_.jpg

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Canon-IXUS-Digital-Camera-Optical/dp/B000EW757K/sr=1-1/qid=1164920797/ref=sr_1_1/202-3478911-7295843?ie=UTF8&s=electronics

The IXUS models are very good, I have a couple myself, and this is their newest yet. It's £180 which is pretty good for such quality IMO.

are you sure thats their newest model? Mines the IXUS 750....that being the 650, i don't see why they would decrease the number :$

i would definitely recommend them though....small, so suitable for gigs (i could just slip mine in my jeans pocket at wembley), auto-focus is quick and so again ideal for gigs, they do have manual settings, although not as much options as some other models....but they give fantastic pictures. My only gripe is the shutter speed should be made up to be longer....when i was in iceland i was trying to take pictures of the northern lights but the exposure wasn't able to be longer than 2 seconds i think, which wasn't long enough.

[alice]

Yeah you're right it's not lol. Hmm not sure why I said that earlier :/

[inn]

For me...

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9697/20wb2.jpg



Mmmmmm 20D..... I bet that must weigh a ton with the battery grip.

[Jonneh]

Mmmmmm 20D..... I bet that must weigh a ton with the battery grip.

With the combo i posted all on, it weghs a shit load, aye. Otherwise, it's more than fine for me :)

[inn]

With the combo i posted all on, it weghs a shit load, aye. Otherwise, it's more than fine for me :)

Haha imagine that weight around your neck ouchh :LOL:

[indierockerdude]

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000EW98KC.02._SS400_SCLZZZZZZZ_V56157915_.jpg
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Canon-Powershot-Digital-Camera-Optical/dp/B000EW98KC/sr=1-10/qid=1164756055/ref=sr_1_10/202-1568418-2375855?ie=UTF8&s=electronics

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000EYEHNS.01._SS400_SCLZZZZZZZ_V39596929_.jpg
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-Cyber-shot-DSC-H2-prosumer-supported/dp/B000EYEHNS/sr=1-12/qid=1164756013/ref=sr_1_12/202-1568418-2375855?ie=UTF8&s=electronics

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/store_doc/GE/mb/thumbnails/508210/508210_2.jpg
http://www.ukdigitalcameras.co.uk/prod.asp?i=3102&srccode=cii_18524465&cpncode=09-21520476-2

mines going to be one of the above 3...im thinking the 3rd one, the fuji...held it today in pcworld, fell in love..then the alarm thing went off and i stood looking like a plum:rolleyes:

[ʘ]

Hahah :D

I still want a 350d tho :(



In theory, as there would be more pixel/finner detail with more...

However one advantage of having lotsss of pixels is so it allows you to blow up/print pictures to larger sizes without distorting the image :)

Continuing on the subject: so if I have a camera with X MegaPixels, would smaller pictures (like 600X480 Vs. 1200X960) turn out with higher quality becuase the same amount of pixels is crammed into a smaller place - pixel density is bigger?

[Plug_In_Bellamy]

I've got this one and I can't express how happy I am with it. :D

http://www.mobitrade.kiev.ua/images/mobiles/olympus/700-Digital.jpg

Stainless steel, weatherproof* body
Digital Image Stabilisation Edit for compensation of blurry images caused by hand-shake
7.1 million pixels
3x optical zoom (equiv. to 35-105mm in 35mm format) 1:2.8-4.7
6.4cm/2.5” LCD with 230,000 pixels
BrightCapture Technology for better low light photography
ISO 64-1600 with full 8MP, ISO 3200 in 3MP mode
20 scene modes (e.g. Sport, Beach & Snow, Candle) plus Programme Auto mode
Movie function with sound (640x480, 30fps). Recording up to memory capacity
Macro and super macro mode (from as near as 10cm)
Internal memory plus xD-Picture Card slot for new high speed cards
Multi-language menu plus possibility to download further languages from the internet
PictBridge compatible
Supplied with Olympus Master Software 1.4 which supports new editing functions of the Olympus High Speed xD-Picture Cards

I've bought this camera now but when i put the images on the computer they all appear grainy, how do i make the images look more detailed and defined?

[inn]

I've bought this camera now but when i put the images on the computer they all appear grainy, how do i make the images look more detailed and defined?

What setting are you using? Try change the iso to auto or a lower value, 100 is about right.

[crazybobbles]

I've bought this camera now but when i put the images on the computer they all appear grainy, how do i make the images look more detailed and defined?
thats "noise" for you. in future, reduce the iso settings to reduce the amount of grain. though when you're doing that its best to make sure you have enough light. its all about the light baby

[Knightofcydonia]

As for megapixels a shot taken at 1024x768 wont be 8 megapixels or 2 megapixels but 0.8 regardless of camera.

VGA 0.3 Megapixels = 640×480
SVGA 0.5 Megapixels = 800×600
XVGA 0.8 Megapixels = 1024×768
SXGA 1.3 Megapixels = 1280×1024
UXGA 1.9 Megapixels = 1600×1200
QXGA 3.1 Megapixels = 2048×1536
QSXGA 5.2 Megapixels = 2560×2048


So HD 720p is equivalent to 1.3 megapix and HD 1080p (1920 x 1080) is about 2.07 megapix

[ʘ]

As for megapixels a shot taken at 1024x768 wont be 8 megapixels or 2 megapixels but 0.8 regardless of camera.

VGA 0.3 Megapixels = 640×480
SVGA 0.5 Megapixels = 800×600
XVGA 0.8 Megapixels = 1024×768
SXGA 1.3 Megapixels = 1280×1024
UXGA 1.9 Megapixels = 1600×1200
QXGA 3.1 Megapixels = 2048×1536
QSXGA 5.2 Megapixels = 2560×2048


So HD 720p is equivalent to 1.3 megapix and HD 1080p (1920 x 1080) is about 2.07 megapix

bah, so a bigger MP value simply means I can produce "bigger" pictures? So if I have a 5 MP camera which can produce a 2560×2048 picture, which is a size I'm quite satisfied with, there's no real reason for me to switch to a 10MP camera, is there?

[crazybobbles]

bah, so a bigger MP value simply means I can produce "bigger" pictures? So if I have a 5 MP camera which can produce a 2560×2048 picture, which is a size I'm quite satisfied with, there's no real reason for me to switch to a 10MP camera, is there?
no reason at all. you're better off with lower resolution cameras too.

[Knightofcydonia]

no reason at all. you're better off with lower resolution cameras too.

Yep Bob's right. Once they start squeezing on more pixels to the same sized APS-c sensor, you're ending up with compromised images. 5 megapix is about the ideal limit for that size sensor, whereas a full sized sensor (35mm sized) would be better with 10 megapix. These sensors are in the expensive Canon EOS 1ds MkII and EOS 5d for example.

[Plug_In_Bellamy]

On the Olympus one, is there no option where you get no noise at all and no blur when movement takes place or do you end up having to compromise? Im sorry i lack so much camera knowledge.

[crazybobbles]

On the Olympus one, is there no option where you get no noise at all and no blur when movement takes place or do you end up having to compromise? Im sorry i lack so much camera knowledge.
iso settings is what you need to look for.

[inn]

bah, so a bigger MP value simply means I can produce "bigger" pictures? So if I have a 5 MP camera which can produce a 2560×2048 picture, which is a size I'm quite satisfied with, there's no real reason for me to switch to a 10MP camera, is there?

Aye, I think I mentioned this in another thread, but more mega pixels doesn't necessarily mean better, many other features come into play (lens quality etc). More pixels mean you can blow up imgs bigger without losing quality.

[ʘ]

no reason at all. you're better off with lower resolution cameras too.

Aye, I think I mentioned this in another thread, but more mega pixels doesn't necessarily mean better, many other features come into play (lens quality etc). More pixels mean you can blow up imgs bigger without losing quality.

Cheers. Expect more n00by questions in the future... :D

[crazybobbles]

hmmm i think i might edge myself on towards the nikon d80 now. the exposure is better then canon as well as the fact that it accepts sd cards and has a second display on top of the camera. *ponders*

[ʘ]

Yeah the 18-55 is 3x optical zoom (so mcuh better than digital zoom lol)

That's correct. :D

OK, and what do these numbers actually mean?
Also, what's the difference between, say, a 3-15mm lens and a 20-60mm one? Which is better?

And am I wrong to think that a DSLR camera with a zoom of more than X6 will way a tonne? I mean, my camera has a 8X and it's quite bulky...

[alice]

I don't know exactly, but the numbers are to do with the depth of field and what range they produce. When I use my 18-55mm lens it seems that towards the far end (about 50mm) is about "normal" range, ie. when I look through I see things at the size I see them just using, uh, my eyes. This is really untechnical and quite possibly not even right lol so you'd probably get a much better answer googling for it heh. I'm well sorry if this a) makes no sense or b) is totally wrong :$

As for the difference ebtween the 3-15 and the 2-60, as examples, it all depends on what to sue them for. A 3-15 lens I imagine would be a very tight macro lens and thus very suitable for extreme closeups. However macro lens tend to be very specialist and veryyyy expensive (I've wanted one for a while now but it's like 400 quid... which I don't ahve :() The 20-60 sounds to me more like a standard lens telephoto lens, with a slight zoom.

And yeah a zoom of more than x6 probably will be quite heavy. The zoom I have is 90-300 and that's fairly big...
What model of camera are you using?

[crazybobbles]

I don't know exactly, but the numbers are to do with the depth of field and what range they produce. When I use my 18-55mm lens it seems that towards the far end (about 50mm) is about "normal" range, ie. when I look through I see things at the size I see them just using, uh, my eyes. This is really untechnical and quite possibly not even right lol so you'd probably get a much better answer googling for it heh. I'm well sorry if this a) makes no sense or b) is totally wrong :$

As for the difference ebtween the 3-15 and the 2-60, as examples, it all depends on what to sue them for. A 3-15 lens I imagine would be a very tight macro lens and thus very suitable for extreme closeups. However macro lens tend to be very specialist and veryyyy expensive (I've wanted one for a while now but it's like 400 quid... which I don't ahve :() The 20-60 sounds to me more like a standard lens telephoto lens, with a slight zoom.

And yeah a zoom of more than x6 probably will be quite heavy. The zoom I have is 90-300 and that's fairly big...
What model of camera are you using?
mm how much was the 90-300mm? i think i'd go for a tele zoom before i fork out on a macro.

[alice]

Mine cost me £140 from Currys or Dixons or whatever it calls itself nowadays. Well worth it tbh. Jessops have a 90-200 for £200 but I couldn't see the point in paying more for less...

[crazybobbles]

Mine cost me £140 from Currys or Dixons or whatever it calls itself nowadays. Well worth it tbh. Jessops have a 90-200 for £200 but I couldn't see the point in paying more for less...
http://www.dixons.co.uk/martprd/store/dix_page.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@1448943109.116786609 3@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccgfaddjkkmgfmecflgceggdhhmdgmj.0&page=Product&fm=2&sm=2&tm=2&sku=792873&category_oid=-28577

this baby aye?

what does usm mean?

[alice]

Oh bollocks now it's £14 cheaper grr. But yeah that's the one lol.

[crazybobbles]

Oh bollocks now it's £14 cheaper grr. But yeah that's the one lol.
any samples?

[inn]

Mmmm lenses

[alice]

any samples?
samples? of photos?

[crazybobbles]

ah found out, ultrasonic motor :) yummy, might fish about for one online when i have some money.

[crazybobbles]

samples? of photos?
actually ignore that, you cant really tell the difference haha

[alice]

ultrasonic what now?

:$

edit: haha okay

[crazybobbles]

http://www.warehouseexpress.com/photo/lenstech/canon/75300f456iiiusm.html thats what ill get :D

[Wowee Zowee]

http://www.warehouseexpress.com/photo/lenstech/canon/75300f456iiiusm.html thats what ill get :D
Surely that costs like 300

[alice]

nice :happy:

all this lens talk really makes me wanna get a macro one... but I have like a tenner :(

[crazybobbles]

Surely that costs like 300
divide that by 2 :p

[crazybobbles]

nice :happy:

all this lens talk really makes me wanna get a macro one... but I have like a tenner :(
haha enough to buy one of those cheap macro filters from ebay :p gooo ooon, :p

[alice]

Heh I might just do that... in a few weeks when I get paid from work. This is why I love ebay. I bought my 30D off there, in shops it sells body-only for anything between 900 and 1200 quid... I bought mine for £560 :happy:

[crazybobbles]

Heh I might just do that... in a few weeks when I get paid from work. This is why I love ebay. I bought my 30D off there, in shops it sells body-only for anything between 900 and 1200 quid... I bought mine for £560 :happy:
!!!! i should have fucking done that! though i really like the fact that my 400d is brand new (with 3 year warranty) and has some features the 30d hasnt got (such as the dust removal system). 400d slightly ftw haha

[alice]

I was wellll chuffed with that bargain. Didn't even have to pay the £30 postage or so cos the guy lived in Bolton so I drove up meself :D

[crazybobbles]

I was wellll chuffed with that bargain. Didn't even have to pay the £30 postage or so cos the guy lived in Bolton so I drove up meself :D
sly, best i got was haggling my warranty from £55 to £45. means i can drop my camera and expect a new one :p

[inn]

sly, best i got was haggling my warranty from £55 to £45. means i can drop my camera and expect a new one :p

Can I drop your camera? ;)

[crazybobbles]

Can I drop your camera? ;)
i would, but i cant be fucked going to jessops and getting it repaired :P

the guy only gave me a discount because he quoted the wrong price for the warranty :D i attacked him with the infamous trades description act mwhahaha. he caved in in the end, think it was because the regional manager or something was there.

[inn]

i would, but i cant be fucked going to jessops and getting it repaired :P

the guy only gave me a discount because he quoted the wrong price for the warranty :D i attacked him with the infamous trades description act mwhahaha. he caved in in the end, think it was because the regional manager or something was there.

Yeah but you shoulddd be able to go and get a new one without questions asked! :p Just say your dog knocked it off the table.

Oh btw did your cf card come yet? If so tis is all good?

[crazybobbles]

Yeah but you shoulddd be able to go and get a new one without questions asked! :p Just say your dog knocked it off the table.

Oh btw did your cf card come yet? If so tis is all good?
haha you wish, echeque clears on friday. most likely arrive next week im afraid

[inn]

haha you wish, echeque clears on friday. most likely arrive next week im afraid

Ah excellent, I expect a report when you get it.

[crazybobbles]

Ah excellent, I expect a report when you get it.
haha what like

"the write speed is fast" ???

you wont get much from your a60 camera you know, your camera is perfectly capable with a normal speed cf card, only dslr's benifit from one :)

[inn]

haha what like

"the write speed is fast" ???

you wont get much from your a60 camera you know, your camera is perfectly capable with a normal speed cf card, only dslr's benifit from one :)

Nooo I mean whether it's a dud or not :p I might as well invest in a hi-speed anyway for you know the immenient dslr purchase when I get there :D

[crazybobbles]

Nooo I mean whether it's a dud or not :p I might as well invest in a hi-speed anyway for you know the immenient dslr purchase when I get there :D
well ask the vast amounts of people who've boguht from them, i think its reliable. but you can wait if you want :)

[inn]

well ask the vast amounts of people who've boguht from them, i think its reliable. but you can wait if you want :)

I'm just weary about ebay that's all :unsure: tho my muse ticket turned out okay

I'm a bit short on money anyway so I won't be making any more rash purchases :(

[crazybobbles]

woot, got my free 256mb memory card from canon! now i can KINDA shoot more photos :)

[alice]

haha, I see you renamed the thread...?
a free memory card is cool, being able to take more photos is cooler :D

[crazybobbles]

haha, I see you renamed the thread...?
a free memory card is cool, being able to take more is cooler :D
dont you worry, i bought a 1gb 133x speed sandisk extreme iii memory card for proper storage as well as continuous shooting, just need to to wait until my cheque clears and bam. i cant imagine ever needing 2gb's worth, though even if i did i'd most likely buy another 1gb 133x just incase one of them fails me

[inn]

Yay renamed thread :D good job bob ;)

[alice]

sandisk ftw!

[crazybobbles]

sandisk ftw!
indeed, the one canon sent me was sandisk too, shitty speeds though

[inn]

How come you got a free card anyway bob?

[crazybobbles]

How come you got a free card anyway bob?
its a canon promotion :)

i can now take about 48 large photos :D

[inn]

its a canon promotion :)

i can now take about 48 large photos :D

Ahhh excellent. And wooo :D raw format?

[crazybobbles]

Ahhh excellent. And wooo :D raw format?
ahah you wish, just 9 raw photos. better then last time, i could only take 1-2 :p

[crazybobbles]

damnit, amazon finally reduced the prices

http://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-CompactFlash-GB-EXTREME-III/dp/B0007QU6Y2/ref=pd_ts_ce_92/026-7186832-5899626?ie=UTF8&s=electronics

get it there inn, cheaper if you pick free delivery

[inn]

ahah you wish, just 9 raw photos. better then last time, i could only take 1-2 :p

Haha :LOL:

Ermmm I dunno 20 quid for a cf card....Got any slightly cheaper recomendations ;)

[alice]

aw crap, I paid like £60 for mine, fair do's it's a 2gb but stillllll :(

[uka]

someone tell me, in an easy photon00b language, the most important differences between my Canon IXUS 65 (http://www.canon-europe.com/For_Home/Product_Finder/Cameras/Digital_Camera/IXUS/Digital_IXUS65/index.asp?specs=1) and a Canon EOS 350D (http://www.canon-europe.com/For_Home/Product_Finder/Cameras/Digital_SLR/EOS_350C/index.asp?specs=1) (click on the names for geeky specs)

I'm a fan of sharp photos with no grain, I like to do close ups and I want to experiment with light such as long exposure to get light trails

[alice]

The 350D is a digital SLR, Single Lens Reflex, which basically means there's something special about the lens which makes it more like a conventional filmy-type camera than what is normally associated with the term "digital camera" (like the IXUS for example).

Okay basic differences:

you look through the viewfinder thingy on an SLR, not at a screen - this is better cos you see exactly what you're taking a pic of (what you see is what you get lol), and also it saves of battery power so each battery charge lasts longer :happy:

better flash control, in fact, better controls on stuff in general. More settings on stuff and more things to be able to control, like focus for example.

one thing that really impressed me when I first got my 350D was the speed of the photo-taking, it's very very quick and immediate and allows for continuous frame shots which is cool.

there's a larger image sensor of an SLR, which means it has less electronic noise, and whereas high ISO values usually mean noise, it's therefore possible to be used at higher values without producing pictures with noise, so low-lighting conditions is easier :)

there's probably loads more, i'll have a google and see what comes up

I would really recommend the 350D though, great camera and fun to use :happy:

[crazybobbles]

Haha :LOL:

Ermmm I dunno 20 quid for a cf card....Got any slightly cheaper recomendations ;)
you do know that ebay seller sells the card for £18 but after p&p it amounts to £23... thats the price you pay for quality cards

[crazybobbles]

The 350D is a digital SLR, Single Lens Reflex, which basically means there's something special about the lens which makes it more like a conventional filmy-type camera than what is normally associated with the term "digital camera" (like the IXUS for example).

Okay basic differences:

you look through the viewfinder thingy on an SLR, not at a screen - this is better cos you see exactly what you're taking a pic of (what you see is what you get lol), and also it saves of battery power so each battery charge lasts longer :happy:

better flash control, in fact, better controls on stuff in general. More settings on stuff and more things to be able to control, like focus for example.

one thing that really impressed me when I first got my 350D was the speed of the photo-taking, it's very very quick and immediate and allows for continuous frame shots which is cool.

there's a larger image sensor of an SLR, which means it has less electronic noise, and whereas high ISO values usually mean noise, it's therefore possible to be used at higher values without producing pictures with noise, so low-lighting conditions is easier :)

there's probably loads more, i'll have a google and see what comes up

I would really recommend the 350D though, great camera and fun to use :happy:
continuous shooting is the best, you can abuse people with the constantly flashing and snapping haha. you've pretty much pointed out all the main features of dslr cameras, ill dig out some article i've dugged on digg ...
http://www.thetechlounge.com/article/308/

there you go

i'd recommend you spend that extra £50 on a 400d though, some stuff like the anti dust system are a godsend :)

[alice]

6. Instant Startup: Most DSLRs have nearly instant startup times. That means if your camera is hanging around your neck and in the OFF position, and you see a three-legged man riding a unicycle towards you, you can quickly turn the camera on and snap the shot.
nice article, that bit about the unicyclist made me lol

[inn]

The 350D is a digital SLR, Single Lens Reflex, which basically means there's something special about the lens which makes it more like a conventional filmy-type camera than what is normally associated with the term "digital camera" (like the IXUS for example).

Okay basic differences:

you look through the viewfinder thingy on an SLR, not at a screen - this is better cos you see exactly what you're taking a pic of (what you see is what you get lol), and also it saves of battery power so each battery charge lasts longer :happy:


Aye the most important diff with an slr camera compared to others is the fact that what you see though the viewfinder is extactlyy what you're taking a picture of. This is important cause most camera's viewfinders are slight off to the picture you take

you do know that ebay seller sells the card for £18 but after p&p it amounts to £23... thats the price you pay for quality cards

hmm aye, well shall see about it. Am heading towards the realm of skint so I'll have to wait for a bit before I do it.

[crazybobbles]

Aye the most important diff with an slr camera compared to others is the fact that what you see though the viewfinder is extactlyy what you're taking a picture of. This is important cause most camera's viewfinders are slight off to the picture you take



hmm aye, well shall see about it. Am heading towards the realm of skint so I'll have to wait for a bit before I do it.
awwh :P

how much you got anyway? sometimes bringing a small memory card is good, since you only keep the awesome photos and remove the shabby ones :D

[crazybobbles]

nice article, that bit about the unicyclist made me lol
but he makes a valid point :D though i need to get used to carrying my camera around my neck all the time, i usually shove it in my little canon gadget bag, along with my nintendo ds lite haha (fits perfectly)

[inn]

awwh :P

how much you got anyway? sometimes bringing a small memory card is good, since you only keep the awesome photos and remove the shabby ones :D

Ah I got a 16meg card that came with it, and I brought myself a 128meg aggeesss ago which has faired me well, I can get at least 250 pics on it, but a gig card would be nice cause then I could take some random vids more often too.

[uka]

alright, thanks for the input you girls/guy, I'll read that article later

the price difference between a 350D and a 400D is more like £130 tho :erm:

but I'm still saving so maybe prices will be slightly lower when I reach enough money

[crazybobbles]

alright, thanks for the input you girls/guy, I'll read that article later

the price difference between a 350D and a 400D is more like £130 tho :erm:

but I'm still saving so maybe prices will be slightly lower when I reach enough money
thats not true, 400d = £500 and 350d = £450. where are you looking?

[alice]

but he makes a valid point :D though i need to get used to carrying my camera around my neck all the time, i usually shove it in my little canon gadget bag, along with my nintendo ds lite haha (fits perfectly)
take it everywhere! :D
I keep meaning to save for a ds lite, my brother just got one for xmas but he won't let me have a go on it :(

alright, thanks for the input you girls/guy, I'll read that article later

the price difference between a 350D and a 400D is more like £130 tho :erm:

but I'm still saving so maybe prices will be slightly lower when I reach enough money
buy on ebay \m/

edit: if I still had my 350D I'd sell it to you, but I already sold it... to my dad lol.

[crazybobbles]

take it everywhere! :D
I keep meaning to save for a ds lite, my brother just got one for xmas but he won't let me have a go on it :(

ds lites are a godsend :D better then psp by miles

[alice]

they're still like £100 quid though :(

[crazybobbles]

they're still like £100 quid though :(
aye, and the price wont go down, its a fair decent price though when you consider what it can do

[alice]

that's truee. argh i'll have to save :(

[inn]

ds lites are a godsend :D better then psp by miles

The psp is still pretty good tho

[alice]

Ah well I wouldn't be able to compare anyway, never had a playstation or anything of the like (except a nintendo 64 back in the day lol). I got a gameboy colour and a few games (*cough*pokemon*cough*) a few years ago but that's it. I feel lacking in video game system thingies... so yeah, I will buy the ds lite :D

[Wowee Zowee]

sly, best i got was haggling my warranty from £55 to £45. means i can drop my camera and expect a new one :p
I got a one gig card and a reduced price on my camera case

you suck at haggling

[crazybobbles]

I got a one gig card and a reduced price on my camera case

you suck at haggling
forgot to tell you that my canon gadget bag costs £50 and i got it for £30, how much was the memory card? because i wasnt going to do any deals with jessops in terms of memory cards since they charge a £20 1gb extreme iii card for £70. no fucking way. ergo i rule at haggling.

another awesome deal involves me selling my old ds phat for £87 odd and getting a ds lite with metroid for £110. the game costs £30 so technically i upgraded my ds phat to lite for a mere £7

ner

[uka]

thats not true, 400d = £500 and 350d = £450. where are you looking?

Belgium :(

expensive country I tell you!

the big store 'fnac' sells the 400D for £570 and the 350D for £470, both with a 18-55 mm lense

I don't really know where else to buy it, plus I still got a £14 coupon and about £32 of "e-money", gained over the years by buying a lot of stuff there

plus there's a current £47 member reduction on the 350D (but it's not permanent... and I wonder how many 350D's they got left, since they stopped producing them)

so all together, I could buy
the 350D for £470 - £14 - £32 - £47 = £387
the 400D for £570 - £14 - £32 = £524

or maybe I'll look on eBay, but I'm scared that I will get a damaged one :erm:

[Firebaptist]

get a 350D from Ebay from the canon store... that's where I just got mine from - £340 inc. 18-55 mm lens :happy:

[uka]

get a 350D from Ebay from the canon store... that's where I just got mine from - £340 inc. 18-55 mm lens :happy:

you got a link? :happy:

[uka]

found a 350d kit + 18-55 objective for £375 :happy: on a dutch online store
but I just noticed the memory cards are very expensive as well...

[ʘ]

Why are you lot so hung up on ridiculously expensive DSLRs? Do they make such a difference? Wouldn't you rather pay half the price (for a decent brand), carry quarter the weight, have a bigger z00m and get a semi professional camera? Unless you're a real pro (for whom photography is a job) why not buy a really good regular digital camera, instead?



meh, I'm realy happy with my old Minolta. But I guess if you have the money and the back-muscles.....

[uka]

ohh wankers, it's £375 if you're from Holland, but £430 for Belgium, for the same product! argh!

[crazybobbles]

Why are you lot so hung up on ridiculously expensive DSLRs? Do they make such a difference? Wouldn't you rather pay half the price (for a decent brand), carry quarter the weight, have a bigger z00m and get a semi professional camera? Unless you're a real pro (for whom photography is a job) why not buy a really good regular digital camera, instead?



meh, I'm realy happy with my old Minolta. But I guess if you have the money and the back-muscles.....
thats very true, with a camera such as the canon powershot s3 is (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Canon/canon_s3is.asp) , you can at times outdo a dslr with a basic lens kit in terms of zoom, weight as well as features such as video etc.
what people like most about dslr cameras is the fact that it is faster (alot faster, especially when using continuous shooting), expandable in terms of lenses, flexible (in terms of control, many cameras lack in simple features such as shutter priority etc), and produce better quality photos with its superior sensors. reading some book about photography, it talks about how... (ill just copy and paste)


To get the kind of quality photos I think you're looking for, sometimes it takes more than changing an adjustment in the camera or changing the way you shoot. Sometimes, you have to buy the stuff the pros use to shoot like a pro. I don't mean you need to buy a new digital camera, but instead, some accessories that the pros use in the field every day. I learned a long time ago that in many fields, like sports for example, the equipment doesn't really make that big a difference. For example, go to Wal-Mart, buy the cheapest set of golf clubs you can, hand them to Tiger Woods, and he's still Tiger Woodsshooting 12 under par on a bad day. However, I've never seen a field where the equipment makes as big a difference as it does in photography. Don't get me wrong, hand Jay Maisel a point-and-shoot camera and he'll take point-and-shoot shots that could hang in a gallery, but the problem is we're not as good as Jay Maisel. So, to level the playing field, sometimes we have to buy accessories (crutches) to make up for the fact that we're not Jay Maisel.

though he's talking about accessories, he does refer to gear such as lenses and daddio external flashes. i've also posted a link somewhere about the jump between point and shoot to dslr. so thats worth the read. if you're not passionate about photography, then yeah... point and shoot is the way to go. but if you want to make the most out of photography, than an awesome camera is needed. i'm still learning stuff about cameras so dont take my advice too much, someone like jallas can easily tell you why she prefers dslr compared to point and shoot.

[inn]

Why are you lot so hung up on ridiculously expensive DSLRs? Do they make such a difference? Wouldn't you rather pay half the price (for a decent brand), carry quarter the weight, have a bigger z00m and get a semi professional camera? Unless you're a real pro (for whom photography is a job) why not buy a really good regular digital camera, instead?



meh, I'm realy happy with my old Minolta. But I guess if you have the money and the back-muscles.....

The reason I would love to make the jump from p+s to dslr is because the way I see it if I am geniunelu interested in photography (which I am), I'm going to have to make the jump to dslr at some point. I coulld quite happily upgrade my p+s to a newer model but I haven't as I would rather put the money towards the biggie.

There are loads of reasons why slrs are worth the price, some bob has gone into. But they're not necessarily that rediculously expensive, I know you can get a nikon and other brands for much less that 400 quid, it's just we're all strung up on canons the lot of us haha...It's no more the same price of a good dv camera, a top of the line mobile phone, and other funky gadgets heh.

[crazybobbles]

The reason I would love to make the jump from p+s to dslr is because the way I see it if I am geniunelu interested in photography (which I am), I'm going to have to make the jump to dslr at some point. I coulld quite happily upgrade my p+s to a newer model but I haven't as I would rather put the money towards the biggie.

There are loads of reasons why slrs are worth the price, some bob has gone into. But they're not necessarily that rediculously expensive, I know you can get a nikon and other brands for much less that 400 quid, it's just we're all strung up on canons the lot of us haha...It's no more the same price of a good dv camera, a top of the line mobile phone, and other funky gadgets heh.
all of which i own as well haha

just consider an awesome point and shoot for £300. with £100 extra you've got yourself a dslr camera you can easily mould into an awesome camera with future purchases on lens etc. with point and shoot the lens is fixed and you're pretty much stuck if you want something better. its all about the ability to upgrade too.

all depends on how much you'll be using it, if you're going to buy a dslr to take the odd photo, then its most likely a bad idea to invest in one.

[uka]

I think I'm gonna buy one anyway, if not now, then certainly later

over the past year I've really grown interest in photography, and it would be lovely to grab my gear someday and just walk around in town or even better, in nature, to shoot some nice photographs and to experiment with angles, light and reflections
no to mention the afterwards photoshopping which I'm interested in as well

it's just, a bit scary, cuz it's so incredibly expensive, tbh, I don't own anything which is worth £450+

(well, except for all the fancy stuff that's in my computer, which once costed me a forntune, but is worth shit now :LOL:)

maybe I need a job to earn some money :erm:
I really wanna do some webdesign, so yeah, contact me if you're willing to pay me £70+ for a site :happy: :p
I'm serious, some webdesigner once told me I could ask £300 for my work on www.leftluggage.be! but I did it for free... :unsure:

[Fumbles McStupid]

maybe I need a job to earn some money :erm:
I really wanna do some webdesign, so yeah, contact me if you're willing to pay me £70+ for a site :happy: :p
I'm serious, some webdesigner once told me I could ask £300 for my work on www.leftluggage.be! but I did it for free... :unsure:

you should've asked for far more than £300, let alone doing it for free!

[crazybobbles]

you should've asked for far more than £300, let alone doing it for free!
aye, thats actually pretty shit of a pay for a web designer :p

though tbh you've got to find clients that understand how much you are worth. picture the minimum wage to be at least £5 per hour. then consider how many hours you've took to make it, that way you can find how much you're worth :p

£20 per hour should be the sort of money you should be asking for web designing i'm afraid, but then again most people who have no idea about web design wouldnt pay that much anyway, so yeah... bit tricky that.

[uka]

you should've asked for far more than £300, let alone doing it for free!

yeah, but they're my friends, and the lady is my girlfriend so...

[Fumbles McStupid]

aye, thats actually pretty shit of a pay for a web designer :p

though tbh you've got to find clients that understand how much you are worth. picture the minimum wage to be at least £5 per hour. then consider how many hours you've took to make it, that way you can find how much you're worth :p

£20 per hour should be the sort of money you should be asking for web designing i'm afraid, but then again most people who have no idea about web design wouldnt pay that much anyway, so yeah... bit tricky that.

exactly. time, effort and inevitable frustration should't come cheap... a decent website is a far cry from cobbling together a few images between some tags

[uka]

aye, thats actually pretty shit of a pay for a web designer :p

though tbh you've got to find clients that understand how much you are worth. picture the minimum wage to be at least £5 per hour. then consider how many hours you've took to make it, that way you can find how much you're worth :p

£20 per hour should be the sort of money you should be asking for web designing i'm afraid, but then again most people who have no idea about web design wouldnt pay that much anyway, so yeah... bit tricky that.

yeah you're right
I try to look around and ask friends if they need a website for anything, but no success

would be a nice boost if I could work on something commercial and famous
but even that is tricky, since I normally have to pay taxes and stuff if I make money with webdesign

Oh, in fact, I would need legal software as well :$

[crazybobbles]

yeah you're right
I try to look around and ask friends if they need a website for anything, but no success

would be a nice boost if I could work on something commercial and famous
but even that is tricky, since I normally have to pay taxes and stuff if I make money with webdesign

Oh, in fact, I would need legal software as well :$
eh? no you dont, use notepad++ to code and gimp to make images. both are open source, you dont need to spend millions to programme.

commericial and famous companies wouldnt ask you to do it purely because you lack in a decent looking portfolio (ie show that you've done sites for other large companies). in future its best if you ARE going to give people discounts to actually show how much discount they are giving. not only does that give you a sense of professionalism, but it will also give people a clear idea that your time spent is worth alot. so you dont get people going "but last time you made my site for a fiver..." haha

[inn]

all of which i own as well haha

just consider an awesome point and shoot for £300. with £100 extra you've got yourself a dslr camera you can easily mould into an awesome camera with future purchases on lens etc. with point and shoot the lens is fixed and you're pretty much stuck if you want something better. its all about the ability to upgrade too.

all depends on how much you'll be using it, if you're going to buy a dslr to take the odd photo, then its most likely a bad idea to invest in one.

Aye upgradability is another key point too, forgot about that.

Bobbb stop me I was well tempted today by the buy now pay nothing till 2008 thing at jessops :'(

you should've asked for far more than £300, let alone doing it for free!

Aye if you're good enough you should be charging well more than that.

[crazybobbles]

Aye upgradability is another key point too, forgot about that.

Bobbb stop me I was well tempted today by the buy now pay nothing till 2008 thing at jessops :'(


stop you? HELL NO! GO FOR IT! the pay on 2008 means you WILL have to get a job by then :D its the fear you need to get yourself a job.

plus how fun would it be if we had ANOTHER dslr camera at the meetup.. that will be £4000 worth of photography gear... and i can imagine it going to £5000 if you add in the other shitty p&s haha

[inn]

stop you? HELL NO! GO FOR IT! the pay on 2008 means you WILL have to get a job by then :D its the fear you need to get yourself a job.

plus how fun would it be if we had ANOTHER dslr camera at the meetup.. that will be £4000 worth of photography gear... and i can imagine it going to £5000 if you add in the other shitty p&s haha

Bobbbbb noooo :(

Ha it's not the fear about getting a job in time it's more so not being able to afford to pay it off in time :LOL:

I would love to get it...but I would want my dad with me to help haggle but my parents would go spare if I did it as well...

[crazybobbles]

Bobbbbb noooo :(

Ha it's not the fear about getting a job in time it's more so not being able to afford to pay it off in time :LOL:

I would love to get it...but I would want my dad with me to help haggle but my parents would go spare if I did it as well...
£500 in one years time? if you cant pay that off, then you dont deserve a camera :P

you could even use your camera to actually make money to pay itself off. 1 year is quite a long period of time and you'll most likely get a job by then. otherwise, 10 weeks worht of dole money and you're there :p haha

[inn]

£500 in one years time? if you cant pay that off, then you dont deserve a camera :P

you could even use your camera to actually make money to pay itself off. 1 year is quite a long period of time and you'll most likely get a job by then. otherwise, 10 weeks worht of dole money and you're there :p haha

Aye you have a point....

But none the less I just can't bring myself to do it >_< even if I could pay it off in installments in time. I'll feel like I was signing my life away or something...

[crazybobbles]

Aye you have a point....

But none the less I just can't bring myself to do it >_< even if I could pay it off in installments in time. I'll feel like I was signing my life away or something...
and working at tesco's isnt? it makes perfect sense.

i almost killed someone after looking at this page

http://www.jessops.com/student/

Though luckily they dont do 10% discounts on dslr cameras... or any cameras..just disposable ones haha

you wont haggle much btw, its jessops... the most you can get is cheaper warranty. but defintiely worth doing the finance plan, once you've got £500 just pay it then, then you've escaped that painful wait for a dslr camera and you actually have the reason so pitch in a bit of money each week or month for the camera. right now its just lacking in organisation :p

[alice]

Thing with jessops is they rip you off for prices. Way expensive. But they WILL match any other price. When I was buying my 350D from there, it was £500 with lens, but I had a search round and found Amazon was selling it for £470. I went along to me local Jessops, talked with the guy behind the counter, a load of crap like "yeahhh well Amazon has it 30 squid cheaper, but y'know I'd jsut prefer to buy it from a specialist store like here y'know..." and the guy told me they did 110% reductions, so I got £33 off, not just £30.

Okay fair do's it was only £3 difference and it was a load of bullshit about wanting to buy it from Jessops: I would jsut have readily bought it from Amazon without a second thought... but Jessops do the 3 year warranty which is cool.

Inn you should buy one! Seriously, jsut do it. See it as an investment. When I bought my 350D I luckily had just received a gift of £500 from my grandparents (as they're getting old and are basically giving away all their money lol) which was cool. My parents wanted me to "invest for the future" but the way I see it, I'd wanted a new snazzy camera for agessssssss and the prices were pretty good last year. Plus I was working loads so had other money to keep myself above skint level lol. If it's something you've wanted for a long time, chances are you'll carry on wanting it, so just go ahead and buy it. Don't think twice. They're well worth it!

I bought my 2nd SLR last october-ish in a splitsecond decision, really. My dad was really jealous of my 350D and I told him joking I'd sell it to him if I bought a new one anytime. He told me to get looking for a new one straightaway lol. 30Ds sell in the shops for like £900, ebay got me one for £560, keeping my old lenses :happy: I went on ebay that same night and bought it. Less than a day to get me a brand new (well 2nd hand but mint condition) camera. I didn't really need it at the time, I was, and tbh still am, pretty new to a lot of aspects of photography. But now I know I ahve the equipment to improve, so it's all up to me :happy:

The moral of this long rambling passage is that you should just get down and buy one. You won't regret it :happy:

[crazybobbles]

Thing with jessops is they rip you off for prices. Way expensive. But they WILL match any other price. When I was buying my 350D from there, it was £500 with lens, but I had a search round and found Amazon was selling it for £470. I went along to me local Jessops, talked with the guy behind the counter, a load of crap like "yeahhh well Amazon has it 30 squid cheaper, but y'know I'd jsut prefer to buy it from a specialist store like here y'know..." and the guy told me they did 110% reductions, so I got £33 off, not just £30.

Okay fair do's it was only £3 difference and it was a load of bullshit about wanting to buy it from Jessops: I would jsut have readily bought it from Amazon without a second thought... but Jessops do the 3 year warranty which is cool.

Inn you should buy one! Seriously, jsut do it. See it as an investment. When I bought my 350D I luckily had just received a gift of £500 from my grandparents (as they're getting old and are basically giving away all their money lol) which was cool. My parents wanted me to "invest for the future" but the way I see it, I'd wanted a new snazzy camera for agessssssss and the prices were pretty good last year. Plus I was working loads so had other money to keep myself above skint level lol. If it's something you've wanted for a long time, chances are you'll carry on wanting it, so just go ahead and buy it. Don't think twice. They're well worth it!

I bought my 2nd SLR last october-ish in a splitsecond decision, really. My dad was really jealous of my 350D and I told him joking I'd sell it to him if I bought a new one anytime. He told me to get looking for a new one straightaway lol. 30Ds sell in the shops for like £900, ebay got me one for £560, keeping my old lenses :happy: I went on ebay that same night and bought it. Less than a day to get me a brand new (well 2nd hand but mint condition) camera. I didn't really need it at the time, I was, and tbh still am, pretty new to a lot of aspects of photography. But now I know I ahve the equipment to improve, so it's all up to me :happy:

The moral of this long rambling passage is that you should just get down and buy one. You won't regret it :happy:
makes you wonder when you'll be getting yourself a 5d :p haha.

definitely worth listening to inn, i dont think i could ever save up £500 and use it to buy a dslr, you just spend too much time and most likely end up buying stuff thats under £500 (nintendo wii, ds lite (PRIME EXAMPLE)) and other bits and bobs. So yeah, get it NOW and feel good about yourself :)

[alice]

Haha not for a longgg time, there's so mcuh stuff I don't understand yet that it'd be pointless to upgrade again when I have a perfectly awesome camera atm :D

But yeah, buy the camera and treat yourself! You will feel great, and another thing I forgot to mention, the camera will last for a longgg time. I mean, with most digital cameras nowadays, the compacty ones I mean, when you buy one pretty much within a few months there's usually a newer, better, model for the same price, which leaves you feeling all grumbly. It's not the same with these ones :)

Okay on rereading that last bit made no sense at all, I don't know how to explain it :erm:

Um, like, spend the £500 or so now... and you won't have to again for a few years :D

[inn]

Haha selling my soul to tescos :LOL: I'm gonna look back at that in my life as the prime example of how I don't want to end up in the future ;)

Thing with jessops is they rip you off for prices. Way expensive. But they WILL match any other price. When I was buying my 350D from there, it was £500 with lens, but I had a search round and found Amazon was selling it for £470. I went along to me local Jessops, talked with the guy behind the counter, a load of crap like "yeahhh well Amazon has it 30 squid cheaper, but y'know I'd jsut prefer to buy it from a specialist store like here y'know..." and the guy told me they did 110% reductions, so I got £33 off, not just £30.


I know jessops isn't the place to haggle, but as jallas said they knocked off a bit after the mention of the amazon price. I'm tempted to basically try the price match thing. Where you hunt the net for the best deal/price and take it in store say well such and such do it better for this, what can you offer me? Hopefully they'll do it for the same price or can give a better offer like accessories...

Jallas, you won't believe how long I've wanted this camera! It's been that long that the next model got released and I still haven't got it :LOL:

makes you wonder when you'll be getting yourself a 5d :p haha.

definitely worth listening to inn, i dont think i could ever save up £500 and use it to buy a dslr, you just spend too much time and most likely end up buying stuff thats under £500 (nintendo wii, ds lite (PRIME EXAMPLE)) and other bits and bobs. So yeah, get it NOW and feel good about yourself :)

I know you have a point, but right now isn't the time for blowing random money....

I'm soooo damn tempted tho, but I just don't want to peve my folks off with this idea and make em go ape shit at me for signing my life away for 500 quid I don't have :LOL:

[crazybobbles]

Haha not for a longgg time, there's so mcuh stuff I don't understand yet that it'd be pointless to upgrade again when I have a perfectly awesome camera atm :D

But yeah, buy the camera and treat yourself! You will feel great, and another thing I forgot to mention, the camera will last for a longgg time. I mean, with most digital cameras nowadays, the compacty ones I mean, when you buy one pretty much within a few months there's usually a newer, better, model for the same price, which leaves you feeling all grumbly. It's not the same with these ones :)

Okay on rereading that last bit made no sense at all, I don't know how to explain it :erm:

Um, like, spend the £500 or so now... and you won't have to again for a few years :D
aye, and the 400d only just got released... (and before you think they'll reduce the price, you'll need to wait until the 450d comes out before it ever reduces itself). quite awesome that these cameras last forever.


inn, the best way of thinking about it is... YOU WILL BUY IT... so why wait and frolic?

[alice]

inn, the best way of thinking about it is... YOU WILL BUY IT... so why wait and frolic?
Haha exactly, if you buy it sooner you have more time to get fun out of it :happy:

[uka]

peer pressure! :LOL:

[inn]

:'( They're mean

[crazybobbles]

:'( They're mean
seriously, i bet you'd call us your saviour if you bought it and made millions from it

[inn]

seriously, i bet you'd call us your saviour if you bought it and made millions from it

.....maybe

Tho I doubt I would make millions from it :p not with a basic kit heh

[crazybobbles]

.....maybe

Tho I doubt I would make millions from it :p not with a basic kit heh
fine, a few bobs here and there :p way to burst your own balloon inn

[alice]

:'( They're mean
Hehe you know you want to buy it really!

[inn]

Hehe you know you want to buy it really!

I do :$

But I'm not even gonna raise the idea to mon pere, he'll go ape shit :LOL:

[crazybobbles]

I do :$

But I'm not even gonna raise the idea to mon pere, he'll go ape shit :LOL:
do what i do, buy it :)

[uka]

hey someone explain the 18-55mm objective thing please
but what exactly do those numbers mean?

[ʘ]

thats very true, with a camera such as the canon powershot s3 is (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Canon/canon_s3is.asp) , you can at times outdo a dslr with a basic lens kit in terms of zoom, weight as well as features such as video etc.
what people like most about dslr cameras is the fact that it is faster (alot faster, especially when using continuous shooting), expandable in terms of lenses, flexible (in terms of control, many cameras lack in simple features such as shutter priority etc), and produce better quality photos with its superior sensors. reading some book about photography, it talks about how... (ill just copy and paste)


.


ooh, we have some pamphlets of the Canon PS s3 in work :supertong I could probably order it directly from the distributor and save some $$, but when I think about it, I realize it will be f00lish 'cause I'm really happy with my camera, even though it's over 2 years older... :happy:
And my camera can do a pretty fast continuous shooting. + You can fit lots of shit on non DSLRs. For example, said Canon PS can be adapted with tele lens, macro lens, uberflash, battery thingy, etc. etc. ...


My camera, btw (http://www.dpreview.com/news/0501/05012101konicaminoltaz20.asp)
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0501/KonicaMinolta/z20-001.jpg




At the end of the day, if you have enough money to fund your passion - go for it. I just think that even 90% of photogrphy enthusiasts would do just fine with a "regular" camera. It seems like a very common misconception that if you like photography you need a DSLR.....

[crazybobbles]

not exactly, its kinda like guitar. yes you can have the features of a good guitar; tremelo arms, actiive pickups, comfortable looks, playing it good, effects thh lot. but when you play a crappy guitar to a pro who understands about tone and all, BAM. Expect some slagging haha.

Say I go out shooting with someone in London right now (which I am haha) and one has a point and shoot and one has a dslr camera. you wouldnt expect a point and shoot camera to be exactly as good as a dslr, theres quite a jump in terms of quality. For example the noise on the point and shoot would be significantly greater, if we were shooting sports events or wildlife, we'd actually miss a few great shots because each shot takes a lot longer then a dslr camera, especially if we were taking flash photography.

some cameras do include lens upgrades, my mums canon powershot a80 being one of them, but the selection of lenses are still lacking, and the quality wouldnt be as good as a dslr

most point and shoot cameras are there for one purpose, simplifying the process of photography by making as many features automatic, letting people worrying about getting the right subject rather then the right settings. with a dslr its more about tweaking the settings right to get a PERFECT shot.

so yeah, its more about whether or not you'll be using the functions and all. if someone bought a dslr and stuck to using all the automatic modes, then yeah, they probably shouldnt use it (or probably need to play with the manual stuff more). but yeah, ask any dslr owner to go back to using p&s as their main camera and they will whinge.

[crazybobbles]

hey someone explain the 18-55mm objective thing please
but what exactly do those numbers mean?
http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/Glossary/Optical/Focal_Length_01.htm

this should help. i know it's helped me just now haha. i understand it now :p

[uka]

http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/Glossary/Optical/Focal_Length_01.htm

this should help. i know it's helped me just now haha. i understand it now :p

ahh, so the smaller the focal length, the wider your FOV, got it

18-55mm goes from wide angle to normal, guess that's a good standard lense then :happy:

[crazybobbles]

ahh, so the smaller the focal length, the wider your FOV, got it

18-55mm goes from wide angle to normal, guess that's a good standard lense then :happy:
this is another good read too, understand more about focal point specs on the lens

http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/Glossary/Exposure/Aperture_01.htm

the idea is to get as much light as possible so your photos can be taken faster

[inn]

Well bob today I did not get a dslr camera :(

I need a job before I can purchase one :( by order of my folks

[crazybobbles]

Well bob today I did not get a dslr camera :(

I need a job before I can purchase one :( by order of my folks
haha i know, got your text :p loser haha

[inn]

haha i know, got your text :p loser haha

Haha it's probably a wise thing. Tho I did get my hands on both the canon and nikon in the shop today anyway.

I think the canon feels nicer to handle, the nikon hand thing feels too sharp if that makes sense. So canon wins! Jessops also don't do the price matching anymore :(

[crazybobbles]

Haha it's probably a wise thing. Tho I did get my hands on both the canon and nikon in the shop today anyway.

I think the canon feels nicer to handle, the nikon hand thing feels too sharp if that makes sense. So canon wins! Jessops also don't do the price matching anymore :(
awwh, did you have a talk about the finance thing? you're so going to feel like shit when you meet up with everyone and their dslr cameras haha

[inn]

awwh, did you have a talk about the finance thing? you're so going to feel like shit when you meet up with everyone and their dslr cameras haha

Yeah, it's simple, you pay it all by the time is up the no interest. But still I can't do it cause I know my folks would go ape shit when I don't have a job. Sooo the equation goes:

JOB = CAMERA + KITTEN

Sooooo time to really go for it. But right now I'm wrapped up in using page flakes haha, and diggs. Prob a good thing I'm not a member of digg else I would never be seen again...

[alice]

Haha it's probably a wise thing. Tho I did get my hands on both the canon and nikon in the shop today anyway.

I think the canon feels nicer to handle, the nikon hand thing feels too sharp if that makes sense. So canon wins! Jessops also don't do the price matching anymore :(
Damn right, canon > nikon :D

[uka]

hmmz, ok, even tho the current eBay auctions are pretty great, I'm gonna wait to buy one till after the exams, for 2 reasons:

- less distraction
- I'll borrow my uncle's 350D first and go shoot for a day with my niece, then I'll decide if I'll buy one and how much better it is compared to my IXUS 65













or maybe not...

[inn]

Noo uka don't get one, then it'll leave me being thas survivor of the p+s race :(

[crazybobbles]

Noo uka don't get one, then it'll leave me being thas survivor of the p+s race :(
so much pressure inn :p

you want me to make it better by posting a photo of a 400d? :p

[uka]

Noo uka don't get one, then it'll leave me being thas survivor of the p+s race :(

awww :happy:

I currently got this smexy baby:

http://www.e-katalog.com.ua/jpg_zoom1/47150.jpg

the display is so lovely! :eek:

[crazybobbles]

awww :happy:

I currently got this smexy baby:

http://www.e-katalog.com.ua/jpg_zoom1/47150.jpg

the display is so lovely! :eek:
haha i thought you had 3 p and s cameras haha. that one does look good.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0009XQPHU.01-A1NDBS7YGOPBD6.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
this is my baby, doesnt have a big screen and chunkier then most, but thats what i like about it most, i have tonnes of aa batteries i can use for emergancies and i also enjoy all the manual settings it has such as shutter priority, arpeture priority as well as manual focus :)

[Pandaren]

I want a camera to get me started in the world of photography. *Waits for recommendations* <3

[alice]

What's your budget?


this is my baby, doesnt have a big screen and chunkier then most, but thats what i like about it most, i have tonnes of aa batteries i can use for emergancies and i also enjoy all the manual settings it has such as shutter priority, arpeture priority as well as manual focus :)
Those settings are pretty cool for a camera like that.
I have an old model of the Canon Ixus range, I think a 300 or 330... it sucks ass lol. Was ace when I first bought it about 4 years ago, but now it's soo bad. The button doesn't work properly and I have to proper break my finger pressing it hard to get a picture. I used it for the first time in about 8 months yesterday lol.

[uka]

I want a camera to get me started in the world of photography. *Waits for recommendations* <3

uh-oh here comes bob...

[Pandaren]

What's your budget?

I have to PAY for one?!

I guess it'll be when I can save up some money so.... £150-£200 I guess. I'm not looking for anything spectacular and don't expect it for that much :happy:

[Pandaren]

uh-oh here comes bob...

Haha, he will reply because he knows I'll vote him worst mod again if he doesn't :D

[alice]

I have to PAY for one?!
Well you can always steal one if you want lol.

I guess it'll be when I can save up some money so.... £150-£200 I guess. I'm not looking for anything spectacular and don't expect it for that much :happy:
I dunno much about powershot cameras but I notice that a lot of people use 'em, so they might be worth a look into. I'd really recommend the Canon Ixus range though. They have a wide variety of models so I'm sure there'll be something to suit your budget needs, and they look pretty cute :happy:

[crazybobbles]

I have to PAY for one?!

I guess it'll be when I can save up some money so.... £150-£200 I guess. I'm not looking for anything spectacular and don't expect it for that much :happy:
try and get the powershot s3 is

http://www.savastore.com/productinfo/product.aspx?catalog_name=Savastore&product_id=10287841&pid=45&tid=279

if you can squeeze the extra £40. it's definitely worth it. its voted best digital camera of the year, alongside 30d and some random ixus (yes i think they loved canon cameras haha).

that would be my pick for an awesome p&s camera. :D it whoops most of your dslr lenses in terms of zoom haha (proabbly around the £600+ region for one of those haah)


but yeah thats the one. IF you're not a fan of 4 aa batteries and the large chunkyness then any old ixus will do haha

[alice]

OMG I found a macro filter on ebay for a tenner... I think I might buy it :happy:

[crazybobbles]

Haha, he will reply because he knows I'll vote him worst mod again if he doesn't :D
you know i can easily take one worst mod vote :p i had 19 for crying out loud haha

[crazybobbles]

What's your budget?


Those settings are pretty cool for a camera like that.
I have an old model of the Canon Ixus range, I think a 300 or 330... it sucks ass lol. Was ace when I first bought it about 4 years ago, but now it's soo bad. The button doesn't work properly and I have to proper break my finger pressing it hard to get a picture. I used it for the first time in about 8 months yesterday lol.
the camera is still good for taking gig photos, though i prefer one with a daddio zoom lens now, makes more sense when taking photos of gigs from a far view and all.

having said that, i would prefer to get an awesome lens for my dslr to take photos of gigs haha, shame you need photopasses etc for that sort of stuff (hopefully can get on for a howling bells gig too)

[alice]

OMG I found a macro filter on ebay for a tenner... I think I might buy it :happy:
Screw that, there's a set of four for £15 :happy::happy:

[inn]

awww :happy:

I currently got this smexy baby:

http://www.e-katalog.com.ua/jpg_zoom1/47150.jpg

the display is so lovely! :eek:

Wow the display viewer is massive!

[crazybobbles]

OMG I found a macro filter on ebay for a tenner... I think I might buy it :happy:
go for it

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/58mm-MACRO-CLOSE-UP-FILTER-FOR-CANON-EOS-400D-350D-NEW_W0QQitemZ330071159216QQihZ014QQcategoryZ30066Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

this one? im not keen on hk stuff haha

[alice]

the camera is still good for taking gig photos, though i prefer one with a daddio zoom lens now, makes more sense when taking photos of gigs from a far view and all.

having said that, i would prefer to get an awesome lens for my dslr to take photos of gigs haha, shame you need photopasses etc for that sort of stuff (hopefully can get on for a howling bells gig too)
Yeah that'd be well cool, to like be in that bit between the stage and crowd and take shots :happy:
When I went to see Muse in november I took my old Ixus cos I didn't know if I was sitting or standing (guestlisted thanks to Gem :happy: ). Turns out we were sitting and I would've had such a great time if I took my 350D as all my photos from there turned out crap due to the camera... but then again I console myself that I might not have got in with the SLR and that would have been embarrassing heh.

[crazybobbles]

Wow the display viewer is massive!
yup, we are now entering the 3 inch lcd screen era. sony did it first but now canon is doing it too

god bless the world of point and shoot cameras haha

[alice]

go for it

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/58mm-MACRO-CLOSE-UP-FILTER-FOR-CANON-EOS-400D-350D-NEW_W0QQitemZ330071159216QQihZ014QQcategoryZ30066Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

this one? im not keen on hk stuff haha
Nah I don't buy stuff from ebay that's coming from hong kong lol, I dunno why but I feel weird doing it. Plus I don't like to use paypal and I doubt they'd be best pleased to ahve to wait ages for a cheque.

This is the one I'm thinking of going for http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Macro-Close-Up-Lenses-for-Canon-EOS-30D-EOS-5D-58mm_W0QQitemZ170065914688QQihZ007QQcategoryZ30070 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[crazybobbles]

Yeah that'd be well cool, to like be in that bit between the stage and crowd and take shots :happy:
When I went to see Muse in november I took my old Ixus cos I didn't know if I was sitting or standing (guestlisted thanks to Gem :happy: ). Turns out we were sitting and I would've had such a great time if I took my 350D as all my photos from there turned out crap due to the camera... but then again I console myself that I might not have got in with the SLR and that would have been embarrassing heh.
dont think you could get in, kazzie had her 350d camera but didnt take it just for that reason. though she could of tried it and then left it in the car if they said no i guess. the guestlist bit was easy to get in without getting done too much. all they do is check your bag, they dont man handle you like the other people haha.

my photo pass isnt really about going in the front to take photos (i would be laughed at by other photographers there haha). its more about being able to bring it in the venue. its a small one too so yeah.

im going to ask kirk if he can get my photo passes hehe

[alice]

That'd be well cool, do it at wembley! (I presume you're going lol)

[Pandaren]

try and get the powershot s3 is

http://www.savastore.com/productinfo/product.aspx?catalog_name=Savastore&product_id=10287841&pid=45&tid=279

if you can squeeze the extra £40. it's definitely worth it. its voted best digital camera of the year, alongside 30d and some random ixus (yes i think they loved canon cameras haha).

that would be my pick for an awesome p&s camera. :D it whoops most of your dslr lenses in terms of zoom haha (proabbly around the £600+ region for one of those haah)


but yeah thats the one. IF you're not a fan of 4 aa batteries and the large chunkyness then any old ixus will do haha

Mmm, I like the look of that. All the specs are pretty alien to me but I'll get to know them. Thanks for your suggestions people <3

[crazybobbles]

Nah I don't buy stuff from ebay that's coming from hong kong lol, I dunno why but I feel weird doing it. Plus I don't like to use paypal and I doubt they'd be best pleased to ahve to wait ages for a cheque.

This is the one I'm thinking of going for http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Macro-Close-Up-Lenses-for-Canon-EOS-30D-EOS-5D-58mm_W0QQitemZ170065914688QQihZ007QQcategoryZ30070 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
wow yummy! i might get myself one too! it says

Suitable for Canon EOS 30D or EOS 5D with EF-S 18-55 mm f/3.5 - 5.6 or EF 28-90mm f/3,5-5,6 USM or EF 75-300mm f/4-5.6 Zoom Lens and any Camera 35mm SLR or Digital with either a 58mm Ø lens Adapter or any Lens with a 58mm Ø filter thread.

ef-s 18-55mm is the
kit lens so im guessing it should work. i better tell stephie not to buy me a 55mm diameter filter because i only just found out my camera's lens is 58 haha.

[crazybobbles]

That'd be well cool, do it at wembley! (I presume you're going lol)
hahah it'll be too far off from the stage. plus i get the feeling i'll be laughed at throughout the photo pit session when people show off their nikon d2x cameras or canon 1d/5d cameras haha. maybe i can borrow one of their backup lenses haha

[inn]

Mmm photo passes!

You still not a skylight or uv filter for ya lens bob?

[crazybobbles]

Mmm, I like the look of that. All the specs are pretty alien to me but I'll get to know them. Thanks for your suggestions people <3
ill go through them now :)


12x optical zoom lens with USM and UD lens element - SUPER ZOOM! You can see matt's moles from zoom rates like these.
Optical Image Stabilizer - Good for shakey hands, keep the photos sharp as possible
6.0 Megapixel CCD - the sensor it uses, 6 megapixels is a good pixel range and i doubt you'd need 10megapixels (for posters and all)
Larger size 2.0” Vari-angle LCD - size of lcd screen, the variangle bit is awesome, you can swivel the lcd screen and all to take photos of yourself with ease
30fps VGA movies with stereo sound and Photo in Movie feature - movies, in stereo :)
DIGIC II, iSAPS and Flexizone AF/AE for fast, precise results and 2.3 fps continuous shooting performance - just focusing and processing stuff, the continuous shooting is like the stuff you see at big brohter openings when photographers go nuts on the shutter
20 shooting modes and My Colors photo effects - effects and modes, to simplify the settings etc
High ISO Auto and ISO 800 for low light flexibility - gain of the sensor, just use auto :p
Widescreen (16:9) recording - widescreen videos and photos im guessing :)I think its the best point and shoot camera out there :)

[crazybobbles]

Mmm photo passes!

You still not a skylight or uv filter for ya lens bob?
not yet, got a big batch of stuff waiting to be picked up first haha

[alice]

wow yummy! i might get myself one too! it says

Suitable for Canon EOS 30D or EOS 5D with EF-S 18-55 mm f/3.5 - 5.6 or EF 28-90mm f/3,5-5,6 USM or EF 75-300mm f/4-5.6 Zoom Lens and any Camera 35mm SLR or Digital with either a 58mm Ø lens Adapter or any Lens with a 58mm Ø filter thread.

ef-s 18-55mm is the
kit lens so im guessing it should work. i better tell stephie not to buy me a 55mm diameter filter because i only just found out my camera's lens is 58 haha.
Yeah! The seller has 2... let's get 'em :D

[crazybobbles]

Yeah! The seller has 2... let's get 'em :D
1 now haha ;P

[Pandaren]

Awwww thank you Bob! Where would I be without your expertise?

[alice]

copycat ;)

my finger's still hovering... ah screw it it's cheaper than I'll find it anywhere else :D

[crazybobbles]

Awwww thank you Bob! Where would I be without your expertise?
on the muse board?

[crazybobbles]

copycat ;)

my finger's still hovering... ah screw it it's cheaper than I'll find it anywhere else :D
woot im guessing you bought it too now :)

we're macro lens buddies haha

[alice]

Yeah I got it. I love macro, this better arrive fast, though I'm paying by cheque so it'll be a little while :(

[inn]

not yet, got a big batch of stuff waiting to be picked up first haha

But the filter will protect ya lens tis important piece of basic kit :p

[crazybobbles]

Yeah I got it. I love macro, this better arrive fast, though I'm paying by cheque so it'll be a little while :(
mwahaha, paypal ftw, mine might arrive on tuesday if im lucky :)

though ill give it till wednesday :) slightly cheaper then getting a new lens i must say haha :D

[crazybobbles]

But the filter will protect ya lens tis important piece of basic kit :p
bah i bought myself macro filters, its cooler :P i will eventually get the filter though

[alice]

mwahaha, paypal ftw, mine might arrive on tuesday if im lucky :)

though ill give it till wednesday :) slightly cheaper then getting a new lens i must say haha :D
Haha yeah. I was looking at these close-up filters earlier on Jessops and the like, which were selling 'em for around £80 I think. Which put me off a little, I'm trying to save money atm for my summer holiday extravaganza this year. But like usual, ebay has the solutions :D

[crazybobbles]

Haha yeah. I was looking at these close-up filters earlier on Jessops and the like, which were selling 'em for around £80 I think. Which put me off a little, I'm trying to save money atm for my summer holiday extravaganza this year. But like usual, ebay has the solutions :D
haha not for holidays :p

sometimes i prefer buying it through shops since they are more reliable and give you better branded stuff. with ebay, the seller could be making the stuff for all you know. i've had some bad experience with ebay in terms of buying non branded stuff. well it werent too bad, i only paid £5 for it haha.

[inn]

bah i bought myself macro filters, its cooler :P i will eventually get the filter though

Ha get the macro ones as well butt you need to get the basics first :p Tho saying that sometimes a filter can actually take away the worth/quality of an extremely expensive lens...

[alice]

Yeah I know what you mean, that's what puts me off with these hong kong people. They sell absolutely anything and everything, and I'd rather get it from a specialist or whatever. The guy I bought my 30D off on ebay was wellll nice though. Went up to his house and we had a nice chat about cameras and stuff. He had a whole room full of different SLR models and lenses and accessories and stuff. I was sitting there like :stunned: :eek:

[crazybobbles]

Ha get the macro ones as well butt you need to get the basics first :p Tho saying that sometimes a filter can actually take away the worth/quality of an extremely expensive lens...
well thank god im using the macro filters for a lens kit :p its the dirties and quickest jump to macro photography :P

plus jallas tempted me with her ebay linkage ;P

[crazybobbles]

Yeah I know what you mean, that's what puts me off with these hong kong people. They sell absolutely anything and everything, and I'd rather get it from a specialist or whatever. The guy I bought my 30D off on ebay was wellll nice though. Went up to his house and we had a nice chat about cameras and stuff. He had a whole room full of different SLR models and lenses and accessories and stuff. I was sitting there like :stunned: :eek:
hhaah you should of haggled a lens for cheap :p

[inn]

Haha jallas you should have just knocked him out and cleared out his stuff ;)

btw I just accepted you on myspace tho ignore my add request if it went through cause I was being silly and tried to add you as a friend instead of just accepting you :LOL:

[alice]

well thank god im using the macro filters for a lens kit :p its the dirties and quickest jump to macro photography :P

plus jallas tempted me with her ebay linkage ;P
yeah you won't regret it ;)

hhaah you should of haggled a lens for cheap :p
I couldn't speak haha, honestly was lost for words. It's one thing seeing loads of lenses in a shop, but in someones home... lying around in cases... :eek:

[crazybobbles]

yeah you won't regret it ;)


I couldn't speak haha, honestly was lost for words. It's one thing seeing loads of lenses in a shop, but in someones home... lying around in cases... :eek:
hehe i know i wont :) plus it makes inn want a dslr camera some more if i can take some good macro photos with it :p

its all about luring inn :p

[inn]

hehe i know i wont :) plus it makes inn want a dslr camera some more if i can take some good macro photos with it :p

its all about luring inn :p

Are all your camera related actions about luring me into the trap bob? :p

[crazybobbles]

Are all your camera related actions about luring me into the trap bob? :p
hehe yeah its fun :p

but still, doesnt beat the inflated photo of the 400d :p

[inn]

hehe yeah its fun :p

but still, doesnt beat the inflated photo of the 400d :p

That pic's gonna haunt me, isn't it? :p It was well creepy last night on skype when you were whispering/chanting and it was being echoed cause of the feedback :LOL:

[crazybobbles]

That pic's gonna haunt me, isn't it? :p It was well creepy last night on skype when you were whispering/chanting and it was being echoed cause of the feedback :LOL:
haha i know, stu was doing it too :p

[inn]

haha i know, stu was doing it too :p

Prob the most sinister thing I've heard in a while, subliminal msgs overload :LOL:

[alice]

You know you will buy it. Better sooner than later ;)

[crazybobbles]

Prob the most sinister thing I've heard in a while, subliminal msgs overload :LOL:
it seriously felt like something you'd hear from a scary movie hehe. glad you were creeped out :)

[inn]

You know you will buy it. Better sooner than later ;)

This point tis true yes, but I've been told! No cammmera until inn gets job :(

it seriously felt like something you'd hear from a scary movie hehe. glad you were creeped out :)

Haha should have recorded it and got stu to randomly put it in a musecast :LOL:

[crazybobbles]

This point tis true yes, but I've been told! No cammmera until inn gets job :(



Haha should have recorded it and got stu to randomly put it in a musecast :LOL:
will you get it AS SOON as you've got the job? i all sounds very silly tbh, reasons being:
you KNOW you will get one, its not like you're going to back out from dslr cameras, so the purchase is inevitable
the finance plan means you're simply paying a year later, which is a quality amount of time to save up
if you bought it now you'd probably save up hours per day NOT thinking abot buying it and doing something useful (like photography) haha

[inn]

will you get it AS SOON as you've got the job? i all sounds very silly tbh, reasons being:
you KNOW you will get one, its not like you're going to back out from dslr cameras, so the purchase is inevitable
the finance plan means you're simply paying a year later, which is a quality amount of time to save up
if you bought it now you'd probably save up hours per day NOT thinking abot buying it and doing something useful (like photography) haha

Yeah but I shouldn't be wasting time thinking about it and moreseo concentraing on getting a job instead :p A camera now would be a distraction ;)

[crazybobbles]

woo macro filters have been dispatched. most likely going to arrive tommorow then :D

[inn]

Good news bob! I expect some amazing shots from you when they arrive ;)

[crazybobbles]

Good news bob! I expect some amazing shots from you when they arrive ;)
hahah i dunno what to take with it :/

[Muse_Cubed]

I have a Panasonic LX2. Costs like...£300. But not if you buy it in Malaysia :p

http://www.digimarket.sk/fotoaparat/images/plx2v.jpg

[inn]

hahah i dunno what to take with it :/

Cat's eyes! :D

[crazybobbles]

Cat's eyes! :D
hahah they'd just jump on the camera or me!

i want to take a photo of this three legged cat though.

[inn]

hahah they'd just jump on the camera or me!

i want to take a photo of this three legged cat though.

0_o You have a three-legged cat?

Nahh they won't they'll just sit there and pose and look cute like most cats do :D

[crazybobbles]

0_o You have a three-legged cat?

Nahh they won't they'll just sit there and pose and look cute like most cats do :D
nah, the cat hangs around my area though. i occasionaly see it limping around.

[inn]

nah, the cat hangs around my area though. i occasionaly see it limping around.

Bless :( I hope you feed it

[crazybobbles]

Bless :( I hope you feed it
haha no i dont, i only see it on rare occasions and usually i have no food :p

[inn]

haha no i dont, i only see it on rare occasions and usually i have no food :p

Next time you see it buy it a bacon sandwich :p

[alice]

woo macro filters have been dispatched. most likely going to arrive tommorow then :D
:( Mine'll take another week :(

[crazybobbles]

:( Mine'll take another week :(
awwh, not to mention kazzie is selling her sigma 55-200mm dc f4.8-something lens to me haha. its third hand though (she got it second hand).

so woo, i've got a bit more zooming

[alice]

/me hugs her 90-300mm :)

I checked in my bank account this morning, I have £1.31.

I might not be buying more stuff for a while :(

[crazybobbles]

/me hugs her 90-300mm :)

I checked in my bank account this morning, I have £1.31.

I might not be buying more stuff for a while :(
awwh, i'm going to be like that soon too :/ i lack in a part time job, but i've told myself third year is the most important year so im making sure i focus on studies. quite stressful i must say

[alice]

Heh that's true actually, work owes me a couple of hundred quid so it's not that bad really. But I hate being completely out of money that I can't do normal stuff. So I still won't be buying anything for a while :(

[crazybobbles]

Heh that's true actually, work owes me a couple of hundred quid so it's not that bad really. But I hate being completely out of money that I can't do normal stuff. So I still won't be buying anything for a while :(
you can do so much without money :) i'm pretty awesome at that... which is WHY i can spend alot of money on pricey things hehe

oooh hows today's photo going?

[inn]

awwh, not to mention kazzie is selling her sigma 55-200mm dc f4.8-something lens to me haha. its third hand though (she got it second hand).

so woo, i've got a bit more zooming

Haha you don't need another lens yet! But if you'll be getting a bargain then I suppose it's okay ;)

[alice]

you can do so much without money :) i'm pretty awesome at that... which is WHY i can spend alot of money on pricey things hehe

oooh hows today's photo going?
Just uploading :D

[crazybobbles]

Haha you don't need another lens yet! But if you'll be getting a bargain then I suppose it's okay ;)
you know it makes sense, kazzie is selling it to me for £40 :D was suppose to be £50 but she owes me money from birthday :p

[inn]

Just uploading :D

Jallas I'm inspired by your photo a day thingy and I'm going to start a new project this evening :happy:

[alice]

Yay! What kind of project?

[inn]

Yay! What kind of project?

Have you heard of a site called postsecret (http://postsecret.blogspot.com/)? People send postcards with secrets on, I basically want to do that, but one a day :) The idea being it'll be good for me and force me to be creative and maybe people will learn about me along the way.

[uka]

/me hugs her 90-300mm :)

I checked in my bank account this morning, I have £1.31.

I might not be buying more stuff for a while :(

ouch! :stunned: