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Alysum
26-02-2004, 11:57 PM
A little thread about playing SS on guitar :)

Have any tips to play it as fast as possible ? I was wondering if you stoke the D string up and down or just down like me ?

What effect apart from the Fuzz foes he uses to get that so particular sound ?

enjoy !

Biblical
26-02-2004, 11:59 PM
A little thread about playing SS on guitar :)

Have any tips to play it as fast as possible ? I was wondering if you stoke the D string up and down or just down like me ?

What effect apart from the Fuzz foes he uses to get that so particular sound ?

enjoy !

use the down pull offs( sounds weird but i know people who pull up) and alternate pick down up down.
for the effect he used a synthersiser at the same time from this programme rich costey(producer) had which blended the guitar and synth together

Pictures of you WILLY
27-02-2004, 12:26 AM
you have to use up and downstrokes for the main riff

incubism
27-02-2004, 12:28 AM
I love the song..but Im so frustrated, I can never get it right :(

Biblical
27-02-2004, 12:32 AM
start it really slowly and gradly get faster when you get it right slower then get it right again and go a bit fast and repeat uptil your up to speed

Imperium
28-02-2004, 12:44 AM
just mess around withit, sort of half hammer-on it and pick it, its hard to explain, my mate pleays it completely diff to me but stillo sounds fine, just find ur personal style

Alysum
28-02-2004, 12:02 PM
When exactly do we do the hammer pull ?

Does matt use anything else a part from the fuzz ? Like the phaser ?
Can't understand how he does that so particular sound in live :confused:

Biblical
28-02-2004, 12:58 PM
for the bridge he uses a phaser,
the way i do it, all the notes are played normally apart from the last bit which i s a hammeron

Alysum
28-02-2004, 03:50 PM
e----------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|
B----------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|
G----------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|
D----------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|
A----------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|
D-12-0-13-0-12-0-10-12-|-0-0-13-0-12-0-10-12-|-0-0-13-0-12-0-10-12-|-0-0-13-0-16-16-16-16|


hammer on 12 right ?

Hypermusician
28-02-2004, 03:58 PM
I find it easier to alternate pick it if you pick it really close to the bridge... it also makes it sound better too.

kandythrash
29-02-2004, 05:28 AM
I keep changing how i play it, but i get a synth-y type distortion by using a metal distortion into a fuzzy crappy overdrive, it does the job ;)

Noodles
29-02-2004, 06:06 AM
e----------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|
B----------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|
G----------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|
D----------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|
A----------------------|---------------------|---------------------|---------------------|
D-12-0-13-0-12-0-10-12-|-0-0-13-0-12-0-10-12-|-0-0-13-0-12-0-10-12-|-0-0-13-0-16-16-16-16|


hammer on 12 right ?

Erm, thats a bit wrong isnt it?
...I dont really use phaser or any effects for the Riff...just mush is up and have plenty of middle.

For the solo break, I use auto wah and phase, for the two parts

kandythrash
29-02-2004, 06:18 AM
Erm, thats a bit wrong isnt it?

meh, it gets the job done

Matt
29-02-2004, 12:40 PM
I have difficulty playing it so I just miss out the 0's (are they what the pull offs reffer to cos im thick wi tablature) so I just end up playing 12,13,12,10,12 etc. Do you think thats a bad idea? To me I think you can recognise what Im trying to play. hopefully I plan to be able to play it properly but at the min I will go 12, 0, 13, then 12 instead of the next 0. Even going slowly i screw up.

Larsen B
29-02-2004, 03:45 PM
SS, the song i can actually play well :D

i just strike the first 0 then hammer on and pull off the rest of the intro with a little delay, i gradually build up wah over the verse and for that bridge i use wah as well,
also i can get quite a good SS sound with max gain and a blues tone which was quite interesting to find out

donbenjy
29-02-2004, 04:17 PM
I have difficulty playing it so I just miss out the 0's (are they what the pull offs reffer to cos im thick wi tablature) so I just end up playing 12,13,12,10,12 etc. Do you think thats a bad idea? To me I think you can recognise what Im trying to play. hopefully I plan to be able to play it properly but at the min I will go 12, 0, 13, then 12 instead of the next 0. Even going slowly i screw up.

on most muse songs, its actually easier to miss some of the 0's out and just do a 16th rest instead, thats what i do...im working on a midi of the official tab, so ill put the link and a free program for that if you want to hear it, its good cos you can edit the tab so you can work out what sounds good without having lightning fast fingers or a robotic hand (thats what matt has...he told me once)

bkaa
02-03-2004, 04:33 AM
does anybody have the tab for the solo towards the end?

Alysum
02-03-2004, 09:57 AM
doesn't the official tab have it ?

donbenjy
02-03-2004, 05:35 PM
doesn't the official tab have it ?


if it does, ill have it in midi and i can scrnshot it or give the link to a free program to edit/open it in

Hey, Johnny Park!
04-03-2004, 10:19 PM
How I learned the riff was to first forget the right hand, and get used to the timing of hammers and pulls in the riff. You have to do it pretty quickly, just tapping 12, then 13 then hammering from 10 to 12. When you've got that sortedpractice a slightly slowed down tremolo picking thing right next to the bridge. About 6-8 strokes a second, down and up. If you combine this with the fingering, with a little practice, you should have all the zeros in the right place.

The left hand bit is easy, and so'e the right., The rouble comes putting them together. For the verses, keep the same speed, just widen the strokes. If you're having trouble with making the chord changes fast enough, just play the strings open once between chords. It dosen't sound too bad. The solo is on the D string (4th, not 6th) same picking speed:

D:--8-8--5-5--0-0--8-8--5-5--0-0--8-8--5-5--7-7--3-3--0-0--7-7--3-3

--0-0--7-7--3-3--5-5--2-2--0-0--5-5--2-2--0-0--5-5--2-2--5-5--1-1--0-0

--5-5--1-1--0-0--5-5--1-1

...then it does the intro riff but on the A string. You have to move you r hand around a bit in the solo. no tricks really, just practice.

Larsen B
04-03-2004, 10:24 PM
for some reason i can reach the solo notes effortlessly, and i only have small hands comparitively, perhaps a gift from the gods, or not

Matt
05-03-2004, 09:05 PM
on most muse songs, its actually easier to miss some of the 0's out and just do a 16th rest instead, thats what i do...im working on a midi of the official tab, so ill put the link and a free program for that if you want to hear it, its good cos you can edit the tab so you can work out what sounds good without having lightning fast fingers or a robotic hand (thats what matt has...he told me once)

Yeah if you want to do that for me you can do. Cheers mate

haze015
07-03-2004, 04:15 PM
I usually leave the 0's out because I think it sounds better that way, for those with a Zoom 707, use the Ring Mod on it for the main bit, it gives a bit of a synthy vibe to it and the harmonics sound really amazing if you get the settings right

kandythrash
07-03-2004, 07:08 PM
I usually leave the 0's out because I think it sounds better that way, for those with a Zoom 707, use the Ring Mod on it for the main bit, it gives a bit of a synthy vibe to it and the harmonics sound really amazing if you get the settings right

(assuming this works on 606) which setting do you have...give the whole patch.(please)

les_muse
13-03-2004, 07:55 PM
any one got a tab of what matts playing in the chorus?

kandythrash
13-03-2004, 08:15 PM
any one got a tab of what matts playing in the chorus?

e\------------------------------------------------
b\------------------------------------------------
g\------------------------------------------------
d\-3-----2-----0------3------2------0-----8------
a\-3-----2-----0------3------2------0-----8------
D\-3-----2-----0------3------2------0-----8------
x8 x8 x16 x8 x8 x8 x8

i play this with a neck humbucker...personal taste though

les_muse
13-03-2004, 08:17 PM
e\------------------------------------------------
b\------------------------------------------------
g\------------------------------------------------
d\-3-----2-----0------3------2------0-----8------
a\-3-----2-----0------3------2------0-----8------
D\-3-----2-----0------3------2------0-----8------
x8 x8 x16 x8 x8 x8 x8

i play this with a neck humbucker...personal taste though

cheers for that but i knew that..its just i got this big day out video and it looks like hes playing something completely different

kandythrash
13-03-2004, 08:21 PM
cheers for that but i knew that..its just i got this big day out video and it looks like hes playing something completely different

well, im sorry then...my apologies good sir, for i have not seen this video...maybe his guitar just wasnt tuned right :LOL:

Britrock
13-03-2004, 08:36 PM
cheers for that but i knew that..its just i got this big day out video and it looks like hes playing something completely different

Live it's:

(Some chord)
A
Dm with all the strings

I don't know what the first chord is, although it may be the original powerchord, I can't remember.

Killing In The Name
13-03-2004, 08:46 PM
The chorus chords are:

F (fingering = 3rd fret on D, 2nd Fret on G, 1st Fret Barre on B and High E
A/C# (fingering = 4th Fret on A, 2nd Fret barre on D and G, 5th Fret on B)
Then aa open position Dm Chord.

Second time through play Bb5 power chord at the end.

haze015
13-03-2004, 09:37 PM
(assuming this works on 606) which setting do you have...give the whole patch.(please)

It varies all the time, just use the Ring Mod on it, set the balance to around half way and the amount of ring mod to wherever it pleases you most

kandythrash
13-03-2004, 09:42 PM
It varies all the time, just use the Ring Mod on it, set the balance to around half way and the amount of ring mod to wherever it pleases you most

hmmm...i'll have to give it a go, and if it's not true, your gonna feel the back of my hand, damnit! :LOL:

Larsen B
13-03-2004, 09:49 PM
yeah i tried the ring mod, i got it sounding alright for SS but then i played Plug in Baby on it and it was near perfect for that :LOL: still a little 'light' sounding for SS but i'll have a play with it...

haze015
13-03-2004, 10:44 PM
You won't get the SS sound from it, it just gets you closer

Larsen B
13-03-2004, 10:50 PM
You won't get the SS sound from it, it just gets you closer

i know not exactly as it's midi isnt it, but i got a closer sound on what i was doing before and when i added the Ring Mod it lost the close heaviness of the sound,
before i was just using an obscene amount of gain on the amp and a bluesy setup on the pedal, and it sounded alright not exactly the same but fairly good for it

%% Rich Student %%
14-03-2004, 06:15 PM
in some part o the song(call it solo) he uses teh Talk.
First post
strike

bkaa
26-06-2004, 11:32 PM
I have a quick question.........What FX settings do you guys use when you guys play along to Stockholm syndrome? bass mid treb.....gain? thanks in advance

MicroWavesMeInsane
27-06-2004, 12:00 AM
It was in Total Guitar not too long ago..
I'll fish it out and post the settings, unless someone beats me to it that is.

matt's half brother
30-06-2004, 12:09 PM
can anyone tell me what they are, i think matt is playing the same as what the backing vocals are singing, but i cant work them out.

help would be great
phil

biohazard
30-06-2004, 12:54 PM
Is it something along the lines of F# A D B. But do not quote me on that, it's just a guess.

matt's half brother
30-06-2004, 02:16 PM
Is it something along the lines of F# A D B. But do not quote me on that, it's just a guess.

can u tab those chords for us, i dont know much about the names of chords

Unc0ntr0ll4bl3
30-06-2004, 05:11 PM
hey i was wondering if anyone has a tab for the live ending to stockholm syndrome that was playing on the muse:absolution live and glastobury 2004 :confused: i really want to play it, its such a cool riff
sry if there has already been a post about this
cheers

Palo Alto
30-06-2004, 05:13 PM
Drop D -

D --0-0-3-6-5-3-0--0-3-0-6-6/7---0-3-0-6-5-3-0

Britrock
30-06-2004, 05:14 PM
I play the 3rd fret power chord, then A, then Dm (strum all the strings for the Dm). But I'm not sure what chord Matt actually plays instead of the power chord, it looks like a C shaped chord. :confused:

Chords:

e|---0-1
g|---2-3
b|---2-2
d|-3-2-0
a|-3-0-0
d|-3---0

In_Your_World
30-06-2004, 05:16 PM
The First Riff is
D-0-1-2-3
A-0-1-2-3
D-0-1-2-3

The second is...

A-0-3-0-5-0-3-0--0-3-0-5(bend half step)-5(bend half step-
D-0-3-0-5-0-3-0--0-3-0-5(bend half step)-5(bend half step-

A-0-3-0-5-0-3-0--0-3-0-xx-xx-xx-x
D-0-3-0-5-0-3-0--0-3-0-xx-xx-xx-x

And i cant remember the third...
What was that egyptian/muscle museum style thing they jammed, not heartbreaker but the other thing

Unc0ntr0ll4bl3
30-06-2004, 05:16 PM
cheers m8 :D

Egrodyne
30-06-2004, 05:18 PM
hey i was wondering if anyone has a tab for the live ending to stockholm syndrome that was playing on the muse:absolution live and glastobury 2004 :confused: i really want to play it, its such a cool riff
sry if there has already been a post about this
cheers

yeah it has twice, but here's all of them!

1st riff:

D: 0-1-2-3-4/18.... etc

2nd riff:

D 0-3-0-3-5-3-0 thingy

3rd riff:

D: 0-3p0-5p0-3p0-5-0-7

4th riff - end of agitated

Egrodyne
30-06-2004, 05:22 PM
I play the 3rd fret power chord, then A, then Dm (strum all the strings for the Dm). But I'm not sure what chord Matt actually plays instead of the power chord, it looks like a C shaped chord. :confused:

Chords:

e|---0-1
g|---2-3
b|---2-2
d|-3-2-0
a|-3-0-0
d|-3---0

its actully a normal F chord just the E string note is two frets up meaning he's using his thumb for it...and rest your right makes it look like a C chord

[iammattsguitar]
30-06-2004, 05:26 PM
i play this...dunnow if it helps but sounds right



e--------------------------------------------------------------
b---10-------10-----6-------6--------------------------------
g---10-------9------7-------7---------------------------------
d---10-------11-----7-------7--------------------------------
a---8--------7------5-------5---------------------------------
d--------------------------------------------------------------

e--------------------------------------------------------------
b---10-------10-----6-------13--------------------------------
g---10-------9------7-------13---------------------------------
d---10-------11-----7-------13--------------------------------
a---8--------7------5-------11---------------------------------
d--------------------------------------------------------------

0ptriX
30-06-2004, 05:27 PM
e|-1--0--1------
B|-1--2--3--11--
G|-2--2--2--10--
D|-3--2--0--8---
A|----0-----8---
D|----------8---

is how I play it and I think Matt does too.

biohazard
30-06-2004, 06:56 PM
Can someone just type out the chord letters please of the chorus as played live on his Manson's.

YellowSphere
30-06-2004, 06:59 PM
F, A, Dm
F, A, Dm, Bb

biohazard
30-06-2004, 07:00 PM
Thanks for that. Other than the Dm (i play as D5) and the Bb (i play as B) then thats exactly how I play it.

YellowSphere
30-06-2004, 07:02 PM
what? B is completely wrong! Its Bb!

biohazard
30-06-2004, 07:03 PM
Yeah, and thats the only chord I got wrong when I play it. Thanks for that though.

Matthijs
30-06-2004, 08:43 PM
just go to powertabs.net and download the cheeky chimp version (with my chorus arpeggio (QuarQ)

EternallyMused1
30-06-2004, 10:03 PM
Theyre all drop d and all on the top string.
The first one is 0-2-3-5
the second one is 0-3-0-5-0-3-0-3-0-0-6-7 and second time with harmonics
the third one is executuion comentary which is somthing like
0-3-0-4-0-3-0-5-6-7
and the 4th was end of agitated

bkaa
30-06-2004, 11:44 PM
:rolleyes: ...................

ReinierK
01-07-2004, 08:40 AM
I usually just play the thing I learned before the tabs came out:

E|-6--7--8----|-8--7--8------|
B|-8--8--8----|-8--8--8--11--|
G|-8--7--5----|-8--7--5--10--|
D|------------|-----------8--|
A|------------|-----------8--|
D|------------|-----------8--|

If it's at the right position... dunno... early... need... coffeee.eeeee...

the_realist
01-07-2004, 09:17 AM
I have a video of them playing it live on MTV2, Matt is defintely playing the A chord with a C# bass. I think it sounds better this way.

matt's half brother
01-07-2004, 09:20 AM
thanks for all your help guys, got it now :)

Britrock
01-07-2004, 09:46 AM
Theyre all drop d and all on the top string.
The first one is 0-2-3-5
the second one is 0-3-0-5-0-3-0-3-0-0-6-7 and second time with harmonics
the third one is executuion comentary which is somthing like
0-3-0-4-0-3-0-5-6-7
and the 4th was end of agitated

That looks strangely like the post directly above it...

It think this thread is finished now.

jonmar
01-07-2004, 11:13 PM
I just play it with my usual distortion settings but I use the wah pedal as a filter... I press it on and leave it at about in the middle for the main riff... it sounds just like it.

biohazard
02-07-2004, 11:16 AM
You don't have to play the A with a C# bass right? Because the C# note will be what the bass player would play?

So you'd only need F A Dm F A Dm Bb

Or does the bass not play C# for the A chord?

In_Your_World
02-07-2004, 11:38 AM
Is it not just...

E---------
B----------3 --- --3---
G------2---2 -- --3----
D--3---2---0-- ---3-----
A--3---4---0-- ---1----
D--3---2---0--- then the last one is--------

Britrock
02-07-2004, 12:29 PM
You don't have to play the A with a C# bass right? Because the C# note will be what the bass player would play?

So you'd only need F A Dm F A Dm Bb

Or does the bass not play C# for the A chord?

Eh? In the chorus, the bass plays F, E and D bloody quick, no?

Erroneous Fiend
02-07-2004, 12:59 PM
Eh? In the chorus, the bass plays F, E and D bloody quick, no?

that he does.

the_realist
02-07-2004, 01:06 PM
You don't have to play the A with a C# bass right? Because the C# note will be what the bass player would play?

So you'd only need F A Dm F A Dm Bb

Or does the bass not play C# for the A chord?

For the A/C# chord, the bass actually plays E.
So play the A chord with a C# bass. Add a bass E as well if you want, like what is tabbed above, it sounds much better that way I recks.

bkaa
02-07-2004, 01:32 PM
Does anybody have the settings for this song? I love the tone on his guitar when he plays it live, its just greatttttttttttt, anybody have the bass mid and treb and gain settings as well?

the_realist
02-07-2004, 02:57 PM
On my Marshall 200W valvestate amp I have bass on 12 o'clock, mid on 2 o'clock and treble on 3 o'clock. I then supplement the sound using my wah as a filter set about mid-way, and the boost channel on full gain.

To be honest though mate, I don't think you'll ever nail the sound unless you've got a Motherbucker p-up at he bridge, diezel head etc etc... :(

biohazard
02-07-2004, 03:08 PM
Thats true, and those Diezel amps are unbelievably expensive.

bkaa
03-07-2004, 04:05 PM
Ah nevermind, thanks anyways

randombaz
04-07-2004, 03:01 PM
the riffs so easy to play, i learnt the whole tune in one evening. dont hammer on or do pull offs, just alternate pick it! and my only advice is touch the note with your left hand finger, then take it off, pick open, then bounce another finger on a note (not same fingers)....basically dont put ur fingers down, keep the moving


easy ppl...

biohazard
04-07-2004, 03:09 PM
When he played it at glastonbury live, and some other gigs, he gets that huge woooshh type sound going over the top of his guitar sound as he plays the riff-solo-riff (on A string) bit. How does he achieve this. Is it somethig in his rack effects int he background going off?

randombaz
04-07-2004, 03:15 PM
no its his magic touch, when you get better as a player, you can think what effect you'd like, and it transforms from thoughts into effects

Jfk003
04-07-2004, 03:37 PM
lol yeah yeah then I'd like to be magic :LOL:

no the woosh sound is the phaser I think ;)

Alysum
16-07-2004, 01:41 AM
I still can't play this song stroking the D string in both ways :(

ReinierK
16-07-2004, 09:35 AM
Then how the hell do you play guitar at all?

The whole song is just alternate picking all the way (execption for the harmonic bits maybe).

The chorus might be downstrokes, but that's because Matt always plays silly downstrokes (like citizen erased), I dont have enough speed for that... But alternate picking is good anyway.

randombaz
17-07-2004, 10:45 AM
yeh, the alternate picking speed isnt fast, and its all on the same string. the only bit i cant do is the kinda solo part at the end, the "3 bars that are harder".......anyway

just alternate pick and play the notes as usual with the left hand, and build up speed...comeon! anyone would think your discussing something hard/secretive you have to perform on a guitar

0ptriX
17-07-2004, 10:52 AM
I still can't play this song stroking the D string in both ways :(
It's basically just the final riff at the end but faster. Just do that and keep going faster, it's simple.
And I don't use any hammer ons or pull offs, I just alternate pick em.

JimJims
17-07-2004, 12:00 PM
The thing that pisses me off is that everytime i play the opening riff it just sounds like a load of noise in D. I cant hear like the 13 or the 16 and 17 picks.

How do i make it more clear? I have tried it with the gain down, the distortion down, the phaser on, the phaser off.

YellowSphere
17-07-2004, 12:03 PM
what equpiment are you using?

JimJims
17-07-2004, 12:27 PM
Well i just have my amp but i have 4 efx on it: Phaser, Flanger, Chorus, Tremolo. And there are like 5 levels of distortion too.

Then there is just like gain, bass etc.

I've tried using a Heavy Distortion pedal too but not much different.

YellowSphere
17-07-2004, 12:30 PM
So with all the effects turned off and the gain turned down it still sounds like noise? Turn all of your effects off then go down to the lowest gain setting you can and then work your way up until it sounds distorted without being noise...

JimJims
17-07-2004, 12:32 PM
So with all the effects turned off and the gain turned down it still sounds like noise? Turn all of your effects off then go down to the lowest gain setting you can and then work your way up until it sounds distorted without being noise...

I normally dont have efx on except maybe phaser.

Right ill try now, ill tell what its like.

JimJims
17-07-2004, 12:37 PM
BTW this is my amp Cube 30

www.roland.co.uk/prodcatdetail.asp?id=CUBE-30

JimJims
17-07-2004, 12:49 PM
Mmmmmmm, its not much better unfortunately.

And i know im definitely playin it rite.

YellowSphere
17-07-2004, 12:51 PM
use the R-Fier with about 6 gain and leave the effects off for a while. Have bass around 6-ish, middle around 7-ish, and treble around 5, I'm not sure what the EQ on that amp is like...

JimJims
17-07-2004, 12:57 PM
Yes that a bit better, but i think the problem now is the fact that the distortion is not very good, its not like clear distortion.

YellowSphere
17-07-2004, 12:58 PM
well, just use different amp models. Try the Brit Gain (or whatever) on high-ish settings, that might be better

JimJims
17-07-2004, 01:03 PM
well, just use different amp models. Try the Brit Gain (or whatever) on high-ish settings, that might be better

R-Fier is still the best but ill keep messin around with it until the noise stops.

Thanks again by the way

Britrock
17-07-2004, 02:25 PM
Play it on the clean channel to see if you're actually playing it right. When it sounds right clean, stick the old distortion on and rock away. Distortion hides a LOT of mistakes.

JimJims
18-07-2004, 11:15 AM
Yes i have tried that and it sounds fine but with distortion on all i can hear is a load of Drop D noise

kandythrash
19-07-2004, 08:05 AM
are you using singlecoils? cos i tried SS with singles and it sounded like a pile of bollocks too :rolleyes:

JimJims
19-07-2004, 09:44 PM
are you using singlecoils? cos i tried SS with singles and it sounded like a pile of bollocks too :rolleyes:

No its a humbucker.

Doog
20-07-2004, 12:56 AM
when he plays the song live the second half of the bridge is played right at the high end of the neck on the 6th string...

D|--20--20--17--17---0---0--20--20--17--17---0---0--20--20--17--17-|

|--19--19--15--15---0---0--19--19--15--15---0---0--19--19--15--15-|

|--17--17--14--14---0---0--17--17--14--14---0---0--17--17--14--14-|

|--17--17--13--13---0---0--17--17--13--13---0---0--17--17--13--13-|


and then the bit on the 5th string... I guess it's less of a stretch to play it where the frets are closer together

Alysum
20-07-2004, 02:46 AM
hey guys, what Fuzz Factory setting do you use for this song ?
I always use the high compression setting for playing muse (Hi-Compression 3:00 9:00 5:00 5:00) but it's not quite right for SS.

bkaa
26-07-2004, 05:47 AM
hey guys, what Fuzz Factory setting do you use for this song ?
I always use the high compression setting for playing muse (Hi-Compression 3:00 9:00 5:00 5:00) but it's not quite right for SS.

Does he even use the FF for this song?? Live?? Im confused :confused:

Alysum
26-07-2004, 12:18 PM
of course !

Doog
26-07-2004, 04:39 PM
he put the signal from his guitar (complete with his onboard fuzz) straight into the sound board and combined it with a synth effect iirc

bkaa
27-07-2004, 03:13 AM
of course !

Ok ok good! So i must get a FF to get that kind of a sound! thanks man

0ptriX
27-07-2004, 09:59 AM
I don't see why you'd want to buy all this stuff just to have the perfect tone for Stockholm Syndrome, I'm happy with using the effects on my Line 6 Spider 2, might not be exact but I'm fine with it.

Matt-O-caster
02-08-2004, 11:28 AM
Has any one worked out the piano part in the chorus in Stockholm Syndrome it sounds like arpegious.

Auntie Helen
02-08-2004, 11:45 AM
Has any one worked out the piano part in the chorus in Stockholm Syndrome it sounds like arpegious.It sounds like it's a synth construction to me, rather than a real piano part.

But if anyone HAS worked it out, I'd love it too... to look at and know I'll never be able to play it that fast, probably

In_Your_World
02-08-2004, 11:49 AM
it sounds like groups of 4 notes in 16th rhythm so could it be (over gm)
G, Bb, D, G then Bb, D, G, Bb and so on in ascending arpeggios and same with the A/C#, Dm and Bb chords?

tenfootfridge
02-08-2004, 02:36 PM
its in the official tab isn't it?

Auntie Helen
02-08-2004, 02:36 PM
its in the official tab isn't it?Nope it isn't, just the root chords... not the actual shape of the arpeggios

rachmaninov
02-08-2004, 05:44 PM
I thought they were broken chords :confused:

tenfootfridge
02-08-2004, 05:49 PM
*john looks in book*
oh, sorry

*john listens to the song*

oh thats the piano part! synth part must be the notes of the chords (f, A/c#, d) in arpeggiated fashion (i know thats alredy been said but i agree :rolleyes: )

randombaz
02-08-2004, 05:59 PM
I don't see why you'd want to buy all this stuff just to have the perfect tone for Stockholm Syndrome, I'm happy with using the effects on my Line 6 Spider 2, might not be exact but I'm fine with it.

ha i was just coming back onto this thread to say (may have already been said)...i find it really fun to play with spider 2 112 amp on insane green distortion and put on flange at its most min setting (first thing u activate on the modulation control)....bridge humbucker - get massive feedback and then let rip! awesome to play

biohazard
02-08-2004, 11:18 PM
Ha cool. Which one is the 112 amp? Is that the 75W one or the 120W stereo one?

Britrock
03-08-2004, 01:39 AM
A 112 is 1 12" speaker. It's the 75W version, and is trés cool.

randombaz
04-08-2004, 05:36 PM
yeh, one 12inch speaker. just played it again just now. its not recreating the sound, but just produced a cool sound to play.

i might be playing stockholme syndrome at the live music stand during the big societies fair at my year this septemeber (singing and guitar). first rockish concert for moi actually! wish me luck

kev
04-08-2004, 08:12 PM
good luck randombaz :)

aleximo
25-09-2004, 10:53 AM
Does anyone have thecorrect tab of the chorus in stockholm syndrome the officiasl tab book is wrong, definately wrong and i cant find any tab that matches with what matt plays on stage. can anyone help me???

Matty8576
25-09-2004, 11:57 AM
the tab for the chorus in the tab book is for the piano cos matt doesnt play any guitar. live he just plays open chords... i do:

E ||--1--0--1--1--
B ||--1--2--3--3--
G ||--2--2--2--3--
D ||--3--2--0--3--
A ||-----0--------
E ||--------------

so in order, the chords are F, A/C#, Dm, Bb5

it goes:

F - 2 bars
A/C# - 2 bars
Dm - 4 bars

second time around

F - 2 bars
A/C# - 2 bars
Dm - 2 bars
Bb5 - 2 bars

Hope that helps!

Phill
25-09-2004, 04:54 PM
thanks i've been after that for a while :P

aleximo
25-09-2004, 08:33 PM
the tab for the chorus in the tab book is for the piano cos matt doesnt play any guitar. live he just plays open chords... i do:

E ||--1--0--1--1--
B ||--1--2--3--3--
G ||--2--2--2--3--
D ||--3--2--0--3--
A ||-----0--------
E ||--------------

so in order, the chords are F, A/C#, Dm, Bb5

it goes:

F - 2 bars
A/C# - 2 bars
Dm - 4 bars

second time around

F - 2 bars
A/C# - 2 bars
Dm - 2 bars
Bb5 - 2 bars

Hope that helps!

thanks so much, i luv you :p

haze015
25-09-2004, 08:44 PM
I just do power chords to the bass, sounds better in my opinion, or I do some kill switch stuff with those notes on a higher octave, depends on how i feel

aleximo
10-10-2004, 10:13 AM
How does matt achieve such a 'chunky' tone while playing stockholm syndrome live, if you listen to it live and then the cd you'll find that the live version, is much heavier than the recording, i was wondering how does he achive this, the only suggesition i can come up with is that he is slightly palm muting, but it doesn't seem to work, please help, anything would be greatly appreciated

Nav
10-10-2004, 10:22 AM
Some sort of affect at a guess, not sure which one, but i'm guessing thats the one.

0ptriX
10-10-2004, 10:40 AM
1) Wrong place to post.
2) Via a Fuzz Factory.

Black Mamba
10-10-2004, 10:46 AM
this must go to kit and tabs i think

Doog
10-10-2004, 03:02 PM
I'm not completely convinced he uses the FF for the song live... it could be the distortion channel on his diezel amp. Reason I suspect this is if you listen to the Glastonbury performance he seems to change the amp channel because you hear a really loud feedback sound just before he starts playing the riff - similar to at the start of Citizen Erased where he obviously uses amp distortion because the 7-string manson doesn't have a built-in FF

Wink-wink,Nudge-nudge
10-10-2004, 05:02 PM
Hi I'm new, but that dosen't matter anyway. I can kinda play this song, but I find with the main riff, just use a down stroke. Play it slow at first and then build up speed. :happy:

shadowblade
12-10-2004, 02:40 AM
I know this is a guitar thread, but does anyone know what makes the um, kinda high-pitched ringing effect on dom's snare drum during his fill in the intro? It also happens on the fill leading into matt's guitar solo.

no3chris
12-10-2004, 02:41 PM
thats not the snare.. thats amtt doing harmonics on guitar

Alysum
14-11-2004, 09:55 AM
Hi

Has anyone ever tabbed the outro that Muse did a lot this year for thr outro of SS ?
Is a riff of another band or just jamming ?

Thanks :)

Alysum
14-11-2004, 10:18 AM
mmm I found that in one of the threads here:

D---0-0-3-0-6-5-3-0--0-3-0-6-6/7---0-0-3-0-6-5-3-0

I also found this:

e|---------------------------------|------------------------------------|
B|---------------------------------|------------------------------------|
G|---------------------------------|------------------------------------|
D|---------------------------------|------------------------------------|
A|-----------------------------6-6-|------------------------------------|
D|-0-0-3-0-4-0-3-0--0-3-0-6-6------|0-0-3-0-4-0-3-0-3*-3*-0-3*-3*-|

* = harmonic

Are any of these accurate ?

Matthijs
14-11-2004, 12:24 PM
mmm I found that in one of the threads here:

D---0-0-3-0-6-5-3-0--0-3-0-6-6/7---0-0-3-0-6-5-3-0

I also found this:

e|---------------------------------|------------------------------------|
B|---------------------------------|------------------------------------|
G|---------------------------------|------------------------------------|
D|---------------------------------|------------------------------------|
A|-----------------------------6-6-|------------------------------------|
D|-0-0-3-0-4-0-3-0--0-3-0-6-6------|0-0-3-0-4-0-3-0-3*-3*-0-3*-3*-|

* = harmonic

Are any of these accurate ?
change the 4's in the tabbed version into 5's and I'd play 6's on DAD on the last 4 notes

because
14-11-2004, 12:53 PM
How about the bluesy fills on the B&H DVD?

Alysum
15-11-2004, 05:01 AM
not the right thread mate ;)

aleximo
27-11-2004, 07:24 PM
Im sure theres been millions of threads on this but i cant be bothered finding them - how does matt achieve that sound when playin the stockholm syndrome riff? (intro,bridge and solo)

Bl44t44p
27-11-2004, 07:31 PM
You mean that "woosh"-sound, especially in the solo? Or just his guitar sound (I suppose just his Fuzz Factory) :confused:


Edit: there is only some kinda strange effect (solo) when playing live (I listened to the Glastonbury recording). So I think you just mean his fuzz sound, and that's his Zvex Fuzz Factory in his guitar.. I guess :)

aleximo
27-11-2004, 07:33 PM
er no, you get he woosh sound by er 'muting' from the 3rd fret to the 12th in the space with the drums introduction, i mean just the general sound of the riff, i cant get my guitar to sound like it, would it just be different pickups, or strings or somehthing like that

Bl44t44p
27-11-2004, 07:35 PM
Ah, well read my edit, with the whoosh sound I mean that sound on the Glastonbury-recording.

However, as I said, it is a fuzzy distortion (Zvex Fuzz Factory) :)

YellowSphere
27-11-2004, 07:36 PM
The whoosh sound is from a phaser. On the recording he used the Jim Dunlop Phase 90 built into his Silver, Black and Laser guitars. Live he uses something on his Line 6 Mod Pro rack unit.
The best way to get the sound for SS is to turn the volume up really high on a valve amp with not that much distortion (Matt never actually uses buckets of distortion, even on their heaviest songs).
He doesn't actually use the Fuzz Factory that much...I'm not sure if he uses it on SS or not. It doesn't sound especially fuzzy to me.

aleximo
27-11-2004, 07:36 PM
Ah, well read my edit, with the whoosh sound I mean that sound on the Glastonbury-recording.

However, as I said, it is a fuzzy distortion (Zvex Fuzz Factory) :)

not too sure what u mean, ill go listen to it again...

aleximo
27-11-2004, 07:37 PM
The whoosh sound is from a phaser. On the recording he used the Jim Dunlop Phase 90 built into his Silver, Black and Laser guitars. Live he uses something on his Line 6 Mod Pro rack unit.
The best way to get the sound for SS is to turn the volume up really high on a valve amp with not that much distortion (Matt never actually uses buckets of distortion, even on their heaviest songs).

YAY! thanx for that, ill go try it!! :happy:

Bl44t44p
27-11-2004, 07:39 PM
not too sure what u mean, ill go listen to it again...

It's in the solo (3:45). But that has nothing to do with his distortion effect.

You can buy yourself a Zvex Fuzz Factory to get the sound, but it's a bit expensive :D

haze015
27-11-2004, 07:40 PM
Your all wrong.

Distorted guitar (I presume through his Diezal) combined with a synth going through a wah pedal in a computer programme called Kyma (I think its this, I know of no others that can do what this does).

Live I think he just uses amp distortion, it doesn't sound very FF like at all

haze015
27-11-2004, 07:40 PM
It's in the solo (3:45). But that has nothing to do with his distortion effect.

You can buy yourself a Zvex Fuzz Factory to get the sound, but it's a bit expensive :D

Its not a FF

Bl44t44p
27-11-2004, 07:44 PM
I think it is :rolleyes:

haze015
27-11-2004, 07:46 PM
I think it is :rolleyes:

It isn't, trust me, you wouldn't get that sort of sound out of an FF

|Cypher|
27-11-2004, 07:48 PM
I thinks it just the fourth channel of the HEad unit. Which is supposed to be a heavy channel that "compresses more than three, retains definition to a large degree, and just shreds with big bass and strong high end. It is smooth distortion, creamy but authoritive. Very Loud."

Doubt it's the fuzz. Don't see why he can't just play with a clean sound for once.

YellowSphere
27-11-2004, 07:48 PM
Haze is more likely to be right, he actually has a Zvex Fuzz...

I always assumed that he used the Phase 90...that was a remarkably compliacted thing to do to get a sound which sounds quite like a phase 90...which he has...in his guitar...maybe I should listen to it again.
I got the amp distortion bit right...



:'(

haze015
27-11-2004, 07:53 PM
Haze is more likely to be right, he actually has a Zvex Fuzz...

I always assumed that he used the Phase 90...that was a remarkably compliacted thing to do to get a sound which sounds quite like a phase 90...which he has...in his guitar...maybe I should listen to it again.
I got the amp distortion bit right...



:'(

Sounds like an autowah to me :confused: A Phase90 can't go that slow from what I remember, I believed it to be the sweep delay on the DL-4 or Echo Pro or whatever he uses now

bkaa
27-11-2004, 08:03 PM
I think early this year he was using the fuzz factory for ss because in BDO when he plays SS he uses the silver and the way his guitar sounded was exactly when he played new born (using the silver as well) and i know for a fact he uses the FF on that song live. Now i think he just uses amp dist for SS.

YellowSphere
27-11-2004, 08:14 PM
Sounds like an autowah to me :confused: A Phase90 can't go that slow from what I remember, I believed it to be the sweep delay on the DL-4 or Echo Pro or whatever he uses nowI always have played it on a Phase 90 with the speed down to the bottom, sounds exactly like my memory of the song. Maybe it's a poor memory.

SaMmy K
27-11-2004, 08:23 PM
If you're looking for a good muse sounding distortion i reccomend the boss Mega Distortion (MD-2) matt doesnt use it but its as chunky as distortion comes

bkaa
27-11-2004, 08:28 PM
i had that pedal it sounds too............... too distorted sometime when u put it all the way you cant hear what your playing it sounds too distorted

YellowSphere
27-11-2004, 08:31 PM
If you're looking for a good muse sounding distortion i reccomend the boss Mega Distortion (MD-2) matt doesnt use it but its as chunky as distortion comesno offense, but that pedal is complete shite. It's worse than a Metal Zone. It is completely horrible! It sounds like an MG series for Gawd's sake!

Walton
27-11-2004, 09:08 PM
The guitarist in my band just uses a Line6 overdrive (if that's what is is, I don't know the distortion on the Spider II amps), sounds perfect for the song. For the "Woosh" its just the Line6 Phaser on the amp with a slow Sweep Echo.

ReinierK
30-11-2004, 09:58 AM
The guitarist in my band just uses a Line6 overdrive (if that's what is is, I don't know the distortion on the Spider II amps), sounds perfect for the song. For the "Woosh" its just the Line6 Phaser on the amp with a slow Sweep Echo.

The "woosh" is just a phaser. The sweep echo isn't enywhere near that sound and you can't get it either, simply because it's a delay... And yes, I can tell, cause I have it :P

I thought on the record he used his black manson (thus with FF) not through an amp, but directy into the mixer and a synth. That's why you get such a "non-bassy" sound on the record.

Live he might be playing it only through the Diezel distortion, but I still think he uses the FF, cause he mostly plays with the black manson or either his 'old' silver one...

For me, I always use the Line6 Fuzz amp modeler, sounds about as nice, esp when you select a cab with high gain and low bass...

leggless
30-11-2004, 10:08 AM
i know he doesnt do this, but this is how i get a near identical sound...

EHX Muff-Muff-Wah: Crying Tone pedal.

Fuzz on loud, slowly sweep the expression pedal, using it more like a phaser than a wah pedal. Also can use it in a similar way to nail the solo in Sing For Absolution. god i love that pedal of mine... lol :cool: (edit: added advatnage over my phaser is i get to control the parameters of the sweep with an expression pedal, so much more flexible)

But, more to the point, it proves how you can get a near identical sound by more than one means... which means that you can't role out the possibility of matt using different combos for some live performances.

J-o_s-h
30-11-2004, 01:28 PM
Just use Phase 90, wah for solo little bit of distortion with z-vexx in other parts!! :cool: :)

Mort
30-11-2004, 01:31 PM
He uses 18 Big Muffs for it.
You're all pwned.

Phill
30-11-2004, 05:42 PM
haha damn you

try a FF at gate 2 comp 1:15 drive 5 and stab 4:30 that combined with amp eq'd up nicely gives a good stockholm sound, with some thick gauge strings too and heavy picking... i think so anyway...

haze015
30-11-2004, 07:21 PM
The "woosh" is just a phaser. The sweep echo isn't enywhere near that sound and you can't get it either, simply because it's a delay... And yes, I can tell, cause I have it :P

I thought on the record he used his black manson (thus with FF) not through an amp, but directy into the mixer and a synth. That's why you get such a "non-bassy" sound on the record.

Live he might be playing it only through the Diezel distortion, but I still think he uses the FF, cause he mostly plays with the black manson or either his 'old' silver one...

For me, I always use the Line6 Fuzz amp modeler, sounds about as nice, esp when you select a cab with high gain and low bass...

It sounds alot like sweep delay to me, just without the delay (Delay time = min, Repeats = min, Rate (Tweak) = min or fairly close to min, Depth (Tweez) = max, Mix = Whatever turns you on).

timmy123
30-11-2004, 09:29 PM
to get that sound i put the tiniest bit of phase on. works for me.

tenfootfridge
30-11-2004, 09:31 PM
defitnately line 6 mod pro phaser live, you get that 'zapping' noise when you switch it on which you can hear when its played live

Phill
30-11-2004, 09:38 PM
ahhh i love that zapping noise, sounds awesome!

ashed
30-11-2004, 09:50 PM
hear my stockholm cover

i got that sweet sound just using my line 6 spider 2 amp. play around with the green distortion, the settings i've forgotten unfortunately. bridge pickup select on humbucker guitar. and for the cool phaser sound i used, just touch the button on, on the amp, so it just goes into "chorus/flange" section. its actually a slow phaser. if you turn it more, it goes into proper flange.

any help needed just ask

nice

ReinierK
30-11-2004, 10:36 PM
It sounds alot like sweep delay to me, just without the delay (Delay time = min, Repeats = min, Rate (Tweak) = min or fairly close to min, Depth (Tweez) = max, Mix = Whatever turns you on).

You cannot just rip the delay out of a delay effect, trust me on this one... It's a phaser nothing more... Just because your phaser doens't go so slow doesn't mean it isn't one :P

Afaik he used a very old phaser model, can't remember the name.

haze015
30-11-2004, 10:45 PM
You cannot just rip the delay out of a delay effect, trust me on this one... It's a phaser nothing more... Just because your phaser doens't go so slow doesn't mean it isn't one :P

Afaik he used a very old phaser model, can't remember the name.

Well a phaser is a delayed signal, so your not doing anything different to what a phaser does, but it does sound like wah rather than phase to me

ReinierK
30-11-2004, 10:50 PM
Well a phaser is a delayed signal, so your not doing anything different to what a phaser does, but it does sound like wah rather than phase to me

Sigh it is NOT a delayed signal, it's a duplicate signal that goes from in phase (hance the name: phaser) to out-of-phase making the sound either thicker or thinner...

There ya go, now just accept it's a phaser :P

And yes it sounds like a slow wah, bacause a wah basicaly does the same thing, but mostly is controlled by an expression pedal, except fo autowahs...

haze015
30-11-2004, 10:55 PM
Sigh it is NOT a delayed signal, it's a duplicate signal that goes from in phase (hance the name: phaser) to out-of-phase making the sound either thicker or thinner...

There ya go, now just accept it's a phaser :P

And yes it sounds like a slow wah, bacause a wah basicaly does the same thing, but mostly is controlled by an expression pedal, except fo autowahs...

Where does that duplicate signal come from? from delaying the signal slightly, its not noticable, but it is delayed.

How do you think chorus and flangers work, because they all delay the signal.

ReinierK
30-11-2004, 11:00 PM
Where does that duplicate signal come from? from delaying the signal slightly, its not noticable, but it is delayed.

How do you think chorus and flangers work, because they all delay the signal.

You're brilliant... But you're missing the point between a couple of milliseconds delay which you can't reduce, simply because you have to digitally duplicate an analog signal and a delay which has controllable delay...

And afaik I have NEVER seen a phaser with controllable delay and sweepecho doe more than a phaser-with-delay...

But I think I'll just say you're right and you're happy ;)

skanky
30-11-2004, 11:02 PM
according to a guitarist magazine interview, Rich Costey and Matt used an old strange little computer application called windows 4.3 or something like that, to create that sound. The sound exists of a guitar and some sort of synth mixed together.

ashed
30-11-2004, 11:11 PM
But I think I'll just say you're right and you're happy ;)

yeh dont argue, even if your right, he's a stubborn person. funny to read his replies tho

ReinierK
01-12-2004, 09:08 AM
according to a guitarist magazine interview, Rich Costey and Matt used an old strange little computer application called windows 4.3 or something like that, to create that sound. The sound exists of a guitar and some sort of synth mixed together.

I think that was Matt's knowledge of computers ;) Since windows is just the operating system (ofcourse) and I doubt it if they used an Apple that there would be a programm called that way ;)

But seriously, I read that too and what I can recall it was used for the synth effects and layering mostly. But hey, a studio production involves a LOT of those things.

There's a sound sample of Rich working on SS in the studio btw, it's on the muse site afaik, you can hear all the minor adjustments he makes ;)

haze015
01-12-2004, 10:33 AM
You're brilliant... But you're missing the point between a couple of milliseconds delay which you can't reduce, simply because you have to digitally duplicate an analog signal and a delay which has controllable delay...

And afaik I have NEVER seen a phaser with controllable delay and sweepecho doe more than a phaser-with-delay...

But I think I'll just say you're right and you're happy ;)

I think an Electro Harmonix Bad Stone has a controllable delay time, but don't hold me to that, because I can't remember, but there are lots of flangers with controllable delay times, usually labelled "Manual" and phasers work on the same principal as a flanger.
What I am saying is that if you use the sweep echo on the DL4, put delay time and repeats to minimum, the delay time is so small, you don't notice it and you can use the auto wah on the sweep delay as a normal auto wah or phaser or whatever.

By the way, if you read the whole thread, you'd realise I mentioned a computer programme which can do what Matt described it as doing (Kyma), I know of no others though.

Bewilders
01-12-2004, 10:43 AM
yeah i agree wityh haze.. i just use a fuzz effect!! haha,... come in the chat haze.. oh yeah.. i posted the funny muse website on your guestbook! :LOL:

haze015
01-12-2004, 10:51 AM
yeah i agree wityh haze.. i just use a fuzz effect!! haha,... come in the chat haze.. oh yeah.. i posted the funny muse website on your guestbook! :LOL:

I did that effect with the sweep delay at the end of Muscle Museum on Monday....

Bl44t44p
07-12-2004, 03:45 PM
Can anyone tell me how Matt plays the outro of Stockholm Syndrome live? No, not the outro with the Execution Commentary riffs, but the outro of the song itself. I watched the Glastonbury gig and it actually looks like Matt isn't playing on the 12th (and 13th and 10th) fret (as the official book says), but somewhere around the 3th fret I guess. Too bad they are switching camera's all the time, but when playing (and repeating) the outro for the second time you clan clearly see his left hand is for sure not on the 12th fret or somewhere around there..

Who helps me out :confused:

In_Your_World
07-12-2004, 04:55 PM
How does matt achieve such a 'chunky' tone while playing stockholm syndrome live, if you listen to it live and then the cd you'll find that the live version, is much heavier than the recording, i was wondering how does he achive this, the only suggesition i can come up with is that he is slightly palm muting, but it doesn't seem to work, please help, anything would be greatly appreciated

On the album version, the straight distorted guitar was mixed with a synth keyboard using some software.

Doog
07-12-2004, 05:30 PM
Can anyone tell me how Matt plays the outro of Stockholm Syndrome live? No, not the outro with the Execution Commentary riffs, but the outro of the song itself. I watched the Glastonbury gig and it actually looks like Matt isn't playing on the 12th (and 13th and 10th) fret (as the official book says), but somewhere around the 3th fret I guess. Too bad they are switching camera's all the time, but when playing (and repeating) the outro for the second time you clan clearly see his left hand is for sure not on the 12th fret or somewhere around there..

Who helps me out :confused:


A---------5---3-5-
D-0---1-0---0-----

Bl44t44p
07-12-2004, 07:10 PM
Oh thanks.. That's what I could have find out myself :p

But why? Why not just 0-13-0-12-0-10-12 (etc) on lower D :rolleyes:

Phill
07-12-2004, 07:15 PM
maybe that its easier to go into the bit he plays after from down there as its on the 3rd 4th and 5th frets but i doubt it as he could easily move his hand, maybe he wants a lower, deeper sound???

EternallyMused1
07-12-2004, 09:58 PM
If anyone has a kareoke mode on their hi fi then switch it on and you can hear the keyboard effect he uses for the stolkhol riff, its quite strange, works forother songs too u can hear really coold stuff you wouldnt normally.

Phill
07-12-2004, 10:03 PM
haha interesting :)

donbenjy
07-12-2004, 10:14 PM
anyone wanna guess what EQ settings that is? i mean for the kareoki (sp? im tired) mode?

EternallyMused1
07-12-2004, 10:14 PM
At the end of microcuts you can hear matt doing pitchshifting in the background which i never noticed before...its so quite i dunno what it adds to the overall sound.

Doog
08-12-2004, 12:34 AM
Oh thanks.. That's what I could have find out myself :p

But why? Why not just 0-13-0-12-0-10-12 (etc) on lower D :rolleyes:
I guess it just makes it sound heavier

Josh
23-12-2004, 10:09 AM
I'm not sure if he uses it on SS or not. It doesn't sound especially fuzzy to me.Yeah i can get the sound just by using normal distortion & the bridge pickup.

Josh
23-12-2004, 10:21 AM
Just wondering how is it played??
I know for a fact that is not played on the d string, like the one given in the tab book. I saw matt play on BDO at Australia & he was using the drop d(6th string) & playing it around frets 12-18, i wondered if anyone could tab this out for me (i would really appreciate it.) ;) :cool: :)

Calv163
23-12-2004, 11:07 AM
Two options if what you're saying is true

D|--20-20-17-17-12-12-20-20-17-17-12-12-20-20-17-17
Then
D|--19-19-15-15-12-12-19-19-15-15-12-12-19-19-15-15
Then
D|--17-17-14-14-12-12-17-17-14-14-12-12-17-17-14-14
Then
D|--17-17-13-13-12-12-17-17-13-13-12-12-17-17-13-13

OR:
A|--13-13-10-10-------13-13-10-10-------13-13-10-10
D|---------------12-12--------------12-12------------
Then
A|--12-12-8-8-------12-12-8-8-------12-12-8-8
D|------------12-12------------12-12-----------
Then
A|-10-10-7-7-------10-10-7-7-------10-10-7-7The 7's could also be 14 onD
D|------------12-12-----------12-12-----------
Then
A|-10-10-6-6-------10-10--6-------10-10-6-6The 6's could also be 13 onD
D|------------12-12-----------12-12-----------

This is just a guess tho, but i remember watching Glastonbury and noticing this

daniel
23-12-2004, 12:10 PM
i think matt actually plays the open drop D between those and not the 12th fret, when ive seen it live he only ever frets the first 2 notes... you may think itll sound odd but youll find it sounds right playing the open

0ptriX
23-12-2004, 12:11 PM
I play it how the tab book says, I know it's not how Matt does it but it is exactly the same so there's no fuss.

daniel
23-12-2004, 12:15 PM
haze is right about the recording, it was a guitar and synth going through wah and then into some crazy computer program that can mesh the sound with something else... i heard there was piano in there somewhere but thats odd...

ive got a tacky old aiwa hifi lying about which has this karaoke mode that cuts the vocal frequencys... if you do that it takes away the main guitar track and u can hear one of the backing tracks in the background... very synthy

TheFaction
23-12-2004, 02:45 PM
he does use a fuzz factory on the song, i get that exact sound through my FF all the time.

Josh
23-12-2004, 03:29 PM
Two options if what you're saying is true

D|--20-20-17-17-12-12-20-20-17-17-12-12-20-20-17-17
Then
D|--19-19-15-15-12-12-19-19-15-15-12-12-19-19-15-15
Then
D|--17-17-14-14-12-12-17-17-14-14-12-12-17-17-14-14
Then
D|--17-17-13-13-12-12-17-17-13-13-12-12-17-17-13-13



Yeah thars it, 'cause on the BDO in australia in the SS video you can see clearly that he is around the upper frets of the board.....cheers ;) :cool: :)

biohazard
23-12-2004, 05:48 PM
Amazing, thanks for tabbing that out.

Calv163
23-12-2004, 06:18 PM
Glad i could be of service :D

daniel
23-12-2004, 06:38 PM
try playing the open D instead of the 12th, listen closely too, youll find thats what matt does

Phill
24-12-2004, 09:19 PM
does everyone actually play each note twice, i can't get it to sound right if i do, i just play each once... it sounds fine to me. what's the technique when playing each twice....?

no3chris
24-12-2004, 09:43 PM
tremelo picking

Phill
24-12-2004, 09:51 PM
ok, i'll give it a go, hard to only pick twice though lol

no3chris
24-12-2004, 09:52 PM
jsut need to get the timing right :)

Chaos Is Me!
24-12-2004, 11:15 PM
he does use a fuzz factory on the song, i get that exact sound through my FF all the time.
I have a video where he uses it too, what settings you using?

donbenjy
25-12-2004, 10:08 PM
does everyone actually play each note twice, i can't get it to sound right if i do, i just play each once... it sounds fine to me. what's the technique when playing each twice....?

hmm it kinda came to me one day, when i as playing it actually....but i THINK what i do, is have really high gain, and then hammer on/pull off the notes and only poick the open ones? if that makes sense :S i started off by just hammering on the notes n leaving the opens till later

Lick My Face
29-12-2004, 04:45 PM
Sorry if this TAB has bin mentioned b4, but I couldn't b bothered 2 read thru the whole thread...

I'm not a dedicated Guitarist, but I do look @ Guitar TAB occasionally, n I took a look @ the TAB 4 Stockholm Syndrome on www.mxtabs.net. There are several TABs there, but I saw 1, tried it on my Bass, n (barring the fact that it was in Bass Clef) it sounded alrite.

http://www.mxtabs.net/tab_versions.php?path=Guitar,m,838,Muse,Stockholm+ Syndrome,106610

daniel
05-01-2005, 10:39 AM
this is something i thought i noticed in the past, but i swear, unless its just a phase difference, that theres a slight modulation effect on the guitar during the whole of stockholm syndrome live, really really subtle, most noticeable when he does the harmonics. forget about the solo and the phase on that, sounds almost chorusy when he plays the harmonics. like i said it could be a phase difference but still i noticed it at all of the gigs this years and all the footage ive seen of them

haze015
05-01-2005, 10:42 AM
Always sounding like a weird Doubling/Chorus/Ring Mod effect to me

ReinierK
05-01-2005, 02:12 PM
I think it's a small amount of chorus he uses...
Defenately a small amount, because the harmonics don't stand out so much with a lot of chorus.

haze015
05-01-2005, 02:31 PM
I think it's a small amount of chorus he uses...
Defenately a small amount, because the harmonics don't stand out so much with a lot of chorus.

Yeah, definately a small amount, just enough to get that doubling effect

Beddo
05-01-2005, 02:38 PM
I thoguth that was just his setup with pickups, FF and Diezel but maybe it is a bit of chorus - I know wht you mean about the harmonics though.

no3chris
05-01-2005, 03:05 PM
nah theres somthing their, its what i would say gives mat his new sound,

trust me , i know what im on about haha

not too sure what, i dont think tis a chorus to be honest but its most definetly some silly rackshit thing goin on, some sort of modulation thing

ReinierK
06-01-2005, 08:11 AM
Since chorus IS a modulation effect, I still think he uses it.
And ofcourse it's a rack unit producing it, because he's gone all digital (MIDI) now :P

I'm pretty sure it's a slight chorus. It can be very suttle, yet noticable.

Josh
06-01-2005, 09:23 AM
I did notice that the Harmonics he produces on the song when he plays it live are more high pitched that the originals, he must be useing a slightly different setup to when he recorded Absolution.
I've never heard what a chorus pedal does plus i've never had the chance to use one but you guys think that is the case then??

ReinierK
06-01-2005, 11:02 AM
IMHO the harmonics live are way muddier than the album version (they've probably enhanced that bit anyway).
The thicker sound is due to the chorus. It's the same kind of sound you hear on the Hullaballoo version of Dead Star (esp. the intro).

Palo Alto
06-01-2005, 12:51 PM
there's also a slight modulation effect as Dan describes on the studio version, i noticed this just earlier, only because it was through earphones. i dont think its chorus, because you can hear sweeps like a phaser. but obviously its not strong, like for instance the solo part. Maybe he has the phaser on his guitar on during the song, and then triggers another rackmount effect for the solo?

ReinierK
06-01-2005, 01:02 PM
I thought I read somewhere that they used some digital phaser that was put reaaly slowely and with a lot of amplitude (on the solo) and that they used it slightly on the rest of the song.

That you hear a phaser is correct, but that doesn't rule out the option to use chorus ;)

Wasn't it recorded with his black manson directly into the mixing board? That was the reason why the riff is so 'bright' and pure sounding.

Josh
06-01-2005, 01:08 PM
IMHO the harmonics live are way muddier than the album version (they've probably enhanced that bit anyway).
The thicker sound is due to the chorus. It's the same kind of sound you hear on the Hullaballoo version of Dead Star (esp. the intro).Not on the Big day in on Australia it's not, the harmonics are much more high pitched than usual and they are the same harmonic he uses for the studio version, mind you though on other versions of the song live the harmonics do seem to be more muddy, but this Big day in thing was ver recent so to be fair they probably sound better because Matt has been experimenting for how to get a better sounding harmonic.
Then the question is answered yes it is a bit of Phaser that is used on the live version, you can hear it on the version of the songs i've given you.

Josh
06-01-2005, 01:20 PM
A little thread about playing SS on guitar :)

Have any tips to play it as fast as possible ? I was wondering if you stoke the D string up and down or just down like me ?

What effect apart from the Fuzz foes he uses to get that so particular sound ?

enjoy !The answer to this may have already been answered to this but you are ment to alternate pick the riff in order to get it as fast, just position you're hand so that you're pick is level with the string & it is easy as pie!

daniel
06-01-2005, 04:16 PM
IMHO the harmonics live are way muddier than the album version (they've probably enhanced that bit anyway).
The thicker sound is due to the chorus. It's the same kind of sound you hear on the Hullaballoo version of Dead Star (esp. the intro).

he didnt have a chorus effect in his setup back then. yes, the whammy has a chorus setting but thats set to 1octave up for that song, and it wuldnt hav been any of the modulation delays on the dl4..

Chaos Is Me!
06-01-2005, 05:01 PM
does matt use really slow wah for the intro?

daniel
06-01-2005, 05:24 PM
does matt use really slow wah for the intro?


you mean for stockholm?

could possibly be... dont forget he's got pod xts in his rack,not just the line6 delay and mod, those puppies are capable of producing pretty much anything sound you want.

Chaos Is Me!
06-01-2005, 05:26 PM
you mean for stockholm?

could possibly be... dont forget he's got pod xts in his rack,not just the line6 delay and mod, those puppies are capable of producing pretty much anything sound you want.
yerh, it sounds like it to me, just a really slow subtle wah rather than a phaser.

Josh
07-01-2005, 04:36 PM
Yeah i always thought it was a slow wah but then dregged on to the idea that it was a phaser....but now i'm confused Lol 'cause people have different opinions so i'm just going to try both the effects out then see....Lol

Random_hero
07-01-2005, 05:46 PM
I've played it with a wah, and it sounds like a wah to me.
I've seen him play the solo on Rock Werchter with his Whammy (wah :p).

donbenjy
07-01-2005, 05:55 PM
hmm, it might just be the REALLY fuzzy er...fuzz thats on it, but it seems to have a really slow attack, definately uncompressed but it sounds like its just got a tad to much effects on it IMHO...its just a really distant sound as opposed to say, PIB thats up front. this is studio btw, but if you just play it, before the bass n drums come in, it sounds really like it has been modulated, id go with wah, slowly and possibly chorus too :D

Chaos Is Me!
07-01-2005, 06:04 PM
I do it like this, I start at the begining of the song, slowly rocking forward up to E - 10-12- where i pull back quite quickly.

no3chris
07-01-2005, 06:41 PM
I've played it with a wah, and it sounds like a wah to me.
I've seen him play the solo on Rock Werchter with his Whammy (wah :p).
no.. a whammy is nothing like a wah :)

and plus, his whammy is racked up so u couldnt of seen him using it
'foo

GaelicRockStar
07-01-2005, 07:50 PM
after getting the Boss MT-2 for christmas I've been able to get a brill SS sound by feeding that into a big muff... very distorted, great harmonics

Random_hero
07-01-2005, 07:59 PM
no.. a whammy is nothing like a wah :)

and plus, his whammy is racked up so u couldnt of seen him using it
'foo

I swear he was standing on something during the solo. Whatever he used, he stepped of it when he was done with the solo, foo!

no3chris
07-01-2005, 08:49 PM
it could of been anything in his rack, as he uses a foot controller to control everything 'FOO

big_woody
07-01-2005, 11:09 PM
he uses the rocktron all access thingummy, about 700 squids worth of footswitches.............all to control all of his effects with midi, a very complicated setup, there was a thing on it in guitarist a long while ago which i have here............
expensive!

Josh
08-01-2005, 10:16 AM
no.. a whammy is nothing like a wah :)

and plus, his whammy is racked up so u couldnt of seen him using it
'fooActually on the Newborn vid on Wercther or whatever it is you can see him press the pedal down on the second bit of the solo where he does the trem picking. ;) :D

no3chris
08-01-2005, 11:19 AM
well im telling you.. he has not used pedals on his floorboard since before absolution ! so he couldnt have used a whammy !

he could have pressed it down yea.. but who knows what it was controlling

no3chris
08-01-2005, 11:19 AM
Actually on the Newborn vid on Wercther or whatever it is you can see him press the pedal down on the second bit of the solo where he does the trem picking. ;) :D
unless you mean the ace newborn vid where he has red hair which was BEFORE absolution ?

Josh
08-01-2005, 11:54 AM
go on www.invictus.softmeg.com, join then go on vids then the wercther newborn one & have toodles. ;)

donbenjy
08-01-2005, 12:29 PM
erm thats his rocktron...you can see it when he moves from piano to mic ;) while hes messing with his FF

Doog
09-01-2005, 12:57 AM
eh, he still has an expression pedal to control the whammy for the new born solo

donbenjy
09-01-2005, 02:30 PM
yeh i noticed that after :$ but it isnt his whammy though :p

Doog
10-01-2005, 04:38 AM
it's not a whammy in itself, no... it's a midi pedal that he can control his whammy/volume/wah with

cheeeeers
25-01-2005, 07:51 PM
Hi all, a couple of great versions of stockholm there, (even though total guitar did half of it :p )

I'm trying to learn it on the guitar for a MUSE tribute band but I'm having trouble getting the beginning riff to sound any good, I'm not REALLY experienced on guitar but have been practicing the picking and have got it up to speed but it still doesn't sound any good. I've noticed from the versions i've heard that the lower D that fills in the gaps isn't heard that much.

So...does anybody have any advice for me at all??? I've looked through some threads but havn't found anything as yet.

Any help would be appreciated :D

Si

Phill
26-01-2005, 05:44 PM
make sure you use up down strokes not just downs, i dunno just keep practicing i guess, what FX are you using?

cheeeeers
26-01-2005, 10:33 PM
Well, maybe thats the problem, I don't have a fuzz effect. I have a bass pedal that produced an ok one but I need that for bass for the gig!
Yea I'm usin up and down strokes, would be impossible otherwise!
Slowed the song down n I'm playing it right, you're probably right, maybe I just need to keep going with it

Cheers for the help

Phill
26-01-2005, 10:39 PM
no probs :)

benashhug
18-02-2005, 11:01 PM
So yeah, could anyone please make me a tab for the riff muse play after Stockholm. This is the one where Matt usually stands on one of his amps, and it was also played after TSP on the 20th at Earls Court.

Thanks.

haze015
18-02-2005, 11:04 PM
Try searching, its been tabbed loads of times on here.

CheeseToastie
18-02-2005, 11:19 PM
i think its

D|--0-3-0-5-0-3-0-0-6-6-0 play that a few times

an improvise a bit, play harmonics between the 2nd n 3rd fret instead of the 6's etc and just generally go a little crazy

the_smallprint
19-02-2005, 03:31 AM
nearly

D|-0-3-0-5-0-3-0-0-3-0-6-6

second bit

D|-0-3-0-5-0-3-0-2.5-2.5-2.5-2.5

kev
19-02-2005, 02:06 PM
do you reckon i should put that riff in the faq?

biohazard
19-02-2005, 02:10 PM
Yes i think it would be benefitial to do that.

Simno
19-02-2005, 02:17 PM
I know it sounds arrogant, but it does worry me a bit when people can't make out little riffs like that themselves! I'm no great tabber (at all) but that riff is pretty easy...

biohazard
19-02-2005, 02:18 PM
Yeah thats true. I dont know whether it is the inability to do it or whether people just cant be bothered and think "others can do it for me"

Simno
19-02-2005, 02:45 PM
Yeah thats true. I dont know whether it is the inability to do it or whether people just cant be bothered and think "others can do it for me"

I think it is general can't be arsedness. I never find riffs too hard to figure out, it's picking out chords that I find tricky. But yeah this board is full of lazy questions! :LOL:

no3chris
19-02-2005, 03:54 PM
i reckon we shud compile all their live riffs into the faq, that way next time someone asks you can just say ..... :rolleyes: FAQ