Stockholm Syndrome (definitive thread)

[Simno]

i reckon we shud compile all their live riffs into the faq, that way next time someone asks you can just say ..... :rolleyes: FAQ

Agreed, along with things like the new solo improv in CE, and also things like the tapping New Born.

[biohazard]

EH, solo improv is just that. IMPROVISED. anyone can do it. Just play anything within the key.

[Simno]

EH, solo improv is just that. IMPROVISED. anyone can do it. Just play anything within the key.

Yeah, you're 100 percent right, although my use of the word improv. wasn't as Matt seems to have made it a regular thing now.

[no3chris]

matt plays one thing tho, its not like it chanegs each time he plays it lol

[kev]

ok i'll add it to the faq:

does everyone agree this is right?

nearly

D|-0-3-0-5-0-3-0-0-3-0-6-6

second bit

D|-0-3-0-5-0-3-0-2.5h-2.5h-2.5h-2.5h


or do i have to go find my glastonbury dvd and check :p

and some things can be added to faq about live stuff but not really new born since that seems to be changing alot and i don't think we have a definitive tab yet or is there :S

[Doog]

there's an open top string between the 2nd and 3rd harmonics, otherwise it's good

[Palo Alto]

For vocal distortion, would a Marshall Shredmaster do the trick? Its a powerful overdrive. Im thinking of Stockholm Syndrome live, but also like The Groove live, the one on the muse site. How would i tackle feedback issues. i cant experiment yet, im waiting for the mic to arrive.

[pink_ego_box62]

Hi people, could be a little late in my post. Ive only just started playin guitar and obviously im learnin muse. I have a bog standard pacifica 112 and a line 6 spider 2 practice amp. This has a chorus/flange effect and when shoving up the drive and using the bridge humbucker, it sounds identical , to the live solo part of SS. Dont abuse me if im wrong, i am a guitar noob :D , but it sounds good to me :) . Also, the glasto outro is execution commentry, one of their b-sides, someone may have pointed this out already. U can get a tab, (slightly incorrect i think) at museandamuse.com :)

[Josh]

ok i'll add it to the faq:

does everyone agree this is right?

nearly

D|-0-3-0-5-0-3-0-0-3-0-6-6

second bit

D|-0-3-0-5-0-3-0-2.5h-2.5h-2.5h-2.5h


or do i have to go find my glastonbury dvd and check :p

and some things can be added to faq about live stuff but not really new born since that seems to be changing alot and i don't think we have a definitive tab yet or is there :S

Hmm here is what i have

AI----------------------6-6
DI-0-3-0-5-0-3-0-0-3-0-6-6

DI-0-3-0-5-0-3-0-2.5h-2.5h-0-2.5h-2.5h

;)

[pink_ego_box62]

Those tabs sound right, but there is more, (trill etc), could u possibly tab those bits too- I have a terrible ear for tabbing im afraid. :(

[Josh]

Those tabs sound right, but there is more, (trill etc), could u possibly tab those bits too- I have a terrible ear for tabbing im afraid. :(You mean where Matt inprovises like on the BDO version at Oz??
He Just does a few bends on the Drop D string..... & some trem picking on the G or B string high up around frets 14-17....& a few more different harmonics Though i'm not sure what frets they are on as i've never attemted them.
Matt would most likely be trilling on the D(3rd) string as he does that alot. ;)

[kev]

cheers aidan.. i'll add that to the faq :D

[Josh]

cheers aidan.. i'll add that to the faq :DThe Execution Commentary tab?
Or the info about it? ;)

[Palo Alto]

hey has anyone got the backing track for stockholm syndrome, the chorus? with all the choirs, piano etc. maybe the one from that Total Guitar edition? cheers. its for out gig btw :cool:

[haze015]

hey has anyone got the backing track for stockholm syndrome, the chorus? with all the choirs, piano etc. maybe the one from that Total Guitar edition? cheers. its for out gig btw :cool:

I just use sweep delay during the chorus and just play the power chords, as SD sucks away tone, I find it makes the riff/bridge bit after the chorus just sound so much heavier and cool sounding.

[Palo Alto]

no i want the backing track, with all the epic stuff going on. chorus sounds shit with just the three chords.

[haze015]

no i want the backing track, with all the epic stuff going on. chorus sounds shit with just the three chords.

Yeah, but its just how its going to work, because you need to be playing in perfect time and in the right tempo to pull it off with the backing track.
Its possible though, I'm suggesting another option, I'm sure someone on here has it, I don't

[kev]

when i used to play stockholm i used to combine the guitar and keyboard parts it sounded quite cool to me. easy to work out so i won't try relearn/tab it altho shout if you actually want it

[Palo Alto]

aah, good idea. ill try make a melody for it. it would sound nice if we have the bass pounding the three notes, and my guitar on clean with some delay, playing the melody. cheers ;)

[donbenjy]

you still wont get the fast arpeggios though...unless you can play extremely quick :LOL: or you coudl get a pianist in?

[Palo Alto]

ill just make 3 note melodies, all at the same pace. itll work out.

[Palo Alto]

like this,

B --13-------13---------13-------13--------10-------10--------12--
G ----14-------14---------14-------14---------10-------10---------
D 15-----15------15---14---14-------14--12-------12------12------


play each melody about 4 times, only shortened it because im lazy :stunned:

[benashhug]

Ok, the tabs are confusing me a little, and my head hurts, so can someone please write me out the tab for the stockholm riff, as in the one that starts at about 3.40 on Absolution.

Cheers

[Memorandum]

D|
A|
D|--20-20-17-17-0-0-etc--19-19-15-15-0-0--etc--17-17-14-14-0-0--etc-17-17-13-13-0-0

is what matt plays live i think

[Doog]

hope this helps (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/Doog60/search.jpg)

[benashhug]

D|
A|
D|--20-20-17-17-0-0-etc--19-19-15-15-0-0--etc--17-17-14-14-0-0--etc-17-17-13-13-0-0

is what matt plays live i think

Im sure thats not right....

Unless im just playing it completely wrong...

Which is likely.

[Lick My Face]

D|
A|
D|--20-20-17-17-0-0-etc--19-19-15-15-0-0--etc--17-17-14-14-0-0--etc-17-17-13-13-0-0

is what matt plays live i think

I've never seen that before, but I think he plays that in the US video, so meh.

[Memorandum]

http://img280.echo.cx/img280/3656/ss0wk.jpg

[Lick My Face]

http://img280.echo.cx/img280/3656/ss0wk.jpg

Well there we go then.

[Memorandum]

I actually play it the way it is in the tab book - those notes on the higher D string. Much easier IMO.

[Memorandum]

im also guessing this thread should be merged with the stockholm syndrome definitive thread (http://board.muse.mu/showthread.php?t=339)

[Lick My Face]

I actually play it the way it is in the tab book - those notes on the higher D string. Much easier IMO.

But this is Matt Bellamy...when was the last time he made an easy Guitar piece? :rolleyes:

In fact, when was the last time ANY of the intruments had an easy piece? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Memorandum]

Im not out for starting an argument here but SS isn't a difficult song. I just play it the other way because it feels more comfortable to me.

edit: I think it's more a case of matt always doing things using the most awkward methods possible... :rolleyes:

[six_minutes]

i think he does play it live on the 6th string. that makes it easier, no? the stretch is less.

[bkaa]

he has long fingers :rolleyes:

[kev]

hope this helps (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/Doog60/search.jpg)
haha

you bastard :)

[Beast Love]

i think he does play it live on the 6th string. that makes it easier, no? the stretch is less.

i don't play it on the 6th...i like the stretchage when you play it in the other place...i forget which string

[g00ni]

cheers for that but i knew that..its just i got this big day out video and it looks like hes playing something completely different

I tabbed out the chorus from watching live performances very closely.

Chords are:

Fmaj: E7: Dm: Bmaj:
E|---1---| E|---0---| E|---1---| || |---x---|
B|---1---| B|---3---| B|---3---| ||o |---x---|
G|---2---| G|---1---| G|---2---| || |---3---|
D|---3---| D|---2---| D|---0---| || |---3---|
A|---x---| A|---2---| A|---0---| ||o |---1---|
D|---3---| D|---2---| D|---0---| || |---x---|
(1 Bar) (1 Bar) (2 Bars) (1 bar, "I wish i could")

[Egrodyne]

Right for all you fellow Muser boffs, this is what was played when they recorded the songs verse...

Guitar 1

e---------I---------I-------------------I
b---------I---------I-------------------I
g-7-5-4-3-I-7-6-5-7-I-15-14-12-12-12-14-I
d-x-x-x-x-I-x-x-x-x-I-x--x--x--x--x--x--I
a-5-3-2-1-I-5-4-3-5-I-13-12-10-10-10-12-I
e---------I---------I-------------------I

Guitar 2

e---------I-----------I---------------I
b---------I-----------I---------------I
g-7-5-4-3-I-7-9-10-11-I-12-10-9-8-7-6-I
d-x-x-x-x-I-x-x-x--x--I-x--x--x-x-x-x-I
a-5-3-2-1-I-5-7-8--9--I-10-8--7-6-5-4-I
e---------I-----------I---------------I

Bass

g---------I---------I---------------I
d---------I---------I---------------I
a-5-5-5-5-I-5-7-8-9-I-10-8-7-6-12-0-I
e---------I---------I---------------I

[Phill]

hmm it works but i still think the tab book way sounds fuller

[Egrodyne]

hmm it works but i still think the tab book way sounds fuller

Well course it does because they made it possible to play for one guitar by making it more chordy, i was just pointing out how it was recorded...you can actully play it the way i tabbed it for one guitar, just needs some streching!!!

[Phill]

ok, i get your point now :)
did you figure that out or find it somewhere?

[Egrodyne]

ok, i get your point now :)
did you figure that out or find it somewhere?

I got my hands on that stocklom instrumental, you can hear the guitar work really clearly so had a quick go at it :)

[Phill]

nice work

[Ash]

I got my hands on that stocklom instrumental, you can hear the guitar work really clearly so had a quick go at it :)

Yeah I noticed that too :) I always play it that way now.

[integral]

For those with Line6 PODs, I've found this gives an almost identical sound:

Amp 29: Solo 100
Drive 100%
Bass 50%
Mid 100%
Treb 0%
Presence 100%

Cab 18: 4x12 Green 20's
Mic 3: 421 Dynamic

No Compression
EQ bypassed

Stomp: Screamer
Drive: 50%
Gain: 75%
Tone: 50%

Mod: Phaser
Speed: 0.10Hz
Feedback: 60%
Mix: 85~90%
Config: PRE <= important!

Delay: OFF

Reverb: Brite room
Pre: 40%
Decay: 60%
Tone: 50%

[haze015]

Or get the upgrade packs....Diezal models :D

[bkaa]

the solo 100 sounds close enough

[wowsplat]

anyone know what part of matt's effects he uses for the solo of sfa, and the synth sound of SS?

[OD-Musik]

I've always played this song in standard tunning using the 4th and 5th string. :/

[haze015]

anyone know what part of matt's effects he uses for the solo of sfa, and the synth sound of SS?

SFA = Fuzz, Wah, Delay
SS = (I presume you mean the synthy guitar sound), it's a combination of a Synth going through a Wah pedal and a distorted guitar, the sounds were combined using some software, which I can't remember the name of, I'm sure I've posted the name of it on here before.
And the solo isn't a Phase90 or a model of it, sounds nothing like it, I imagine it's just the synth+wah thing being played around with, also I believe they use JP-8000's, could have just used the Envelope on there, or the built in Phaser, which you can completely control via MIDI (Set the tempo, then programme how long it takes the phaser to go through the sweep, ranging from a 32th note I think to 8 bars I think).

[Bewilders]

the sounds were combined using some software, which I can't remember the name of, I'm sure

Windows 4.3

[haze015]

Distorted guitar (I presume through his Diezal) combined with a synth going through a wah pedal in a computer programme called Kyma (I think its this, I know of no others that can do what this does).

Live I think he just uses amp distortion, it doesn't sound very FF like at all

There you go, that's the software that I think was used.

[Bl44t44p]

Some time ago I read somewhere around here that SS live (you know, the main riff) is channel 4 of his Diezel VH4. True?

[haze015]

Some time ago I read somewhere around here that SS live (you know, the main riff) is channel 4 of his Diezel VH4. True?

Yes :rolleyes:

Wouldn't really be anything else

[Bl44t44p]

Sounds quite sexy then :p

Can I find more sound clips of the 4th channel somewhere?

[haze015]

Sounds quite sexy then :p

Can I find more sound clips of the 4th channel somewhere?

Listen to Muse, Tool and Bon Jovi for an idea :)

[bkaa]

Yes :rolleyes:

Wouldn't really be anything else

we cant say yes because we really dont know. it can probably be an amp model or something.

here everyone thought the deville was for the "clean tone" haha yeah right its for his keyboard!

[haze015]

we cant say yes because we really dont know. it can probably be an amp model or something.

here everyone thought the deville was for the "clean tone" haha yeah right its for his keyboard!

Who ever said that? As far as I'm aware, he's never used the Fender for his guitar. And you don't stick keyboards through a guitar amp, the speakers can't handle it :rolleyes:

[bkaa]

Who ever said that? As far as I'm aware, he's never used the Fender for his guitar. And you don't stick keyboards through a guitar amp, the speakers can't handle it :rolleyes:


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: , well you know matt , he doesnt really use his equiptment the way its suppose to be used but anyways it shows how much you know

[haze015]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: , well you know matt , he doesnt really use his equiptment the way its suppose to be used but anyways it shows how much you know

You ever stuck a keyboard through a guitar amp then?

[bkaa]

yeah i have stuck a keyboard through an amp. big deal, i also made it go through many effects. whats the point!

[haze015]

yeah i have stuck a keyboard through an amp. big deal, i also made it go through many effects. whats the point!

Basically, a keyboard through an amp does not have that quality of sound.
As guitar amps do not have that much range, especially the speakers, which you'll find are absolutely shockingly bad for that sort of use and only designed for guitar, so you have a smooth warm sound. Not designed for keyboards, you don't get the detail.

The keyboard is not going through that amp, you'd know if it was, because it would sound shit.

[bkaa]

ehh it sounded the same to me. i guess that only applies if your crazy about your tone

[haze015]

ehh it sounded the same to me. i guess that only applies if your crazy about your tone

Or you just have ears :rolleyes:

If you've ever played a CD through an amp, you'll understand what I mean, it really is hugely different. A keyboard or a synth is exactly the same.

I'm sure I've read on here that it's used for vocals, which seems more realistic. Or it could actually be used for guitar afterall, for stereo effects maybe, not that I'm aware he uses any, but his whole rack setup is capable of it, so don't count it out.

[bkaa]

Or you just have ears :rolleyes:

If you've ever played a CD through an amp, you'll understand what I mean, it really is hugely different. A keyboard or a synth is exactly the same.

I'm sure I've read on here that it's used for vocals, which seems more realistic. Or it could actually be used for guitar afterall, for stereo effects maybe, not that I'm aware he uses any, but his whole rack setup is capable of it, so don't count it out.

The cd player is a whole different deal, for the CD player i have to change a few settings in order for it to sound good. I once used my amp at a party to play music through it, it sounded perfect. :) I think your just too crazy about your tone man.

btw he runs his roland synth through the deville believe it or not

[Phill]

always thought he used that amp for clean stuff like unintended, sunburn etc...

[haze015]

The cd player is a whole different deal, for the CD player i have to change a few settings in order for it to sound good. I once used my amp at a party to play music through it, it sounded perfect. :) I think your just too crazy about your tone man.

btw he runs his roland synth through the deville believe it or not

:LOL:

Since I have the same Roland synth he uses, I think I have more of an idea of how he gets his sounds through it and trust me, it's not going through a guitar amp, it would colour the sound too much. I have no idea where you got the idea from that he does do that, but I think you'll find that it's not true.

[bkaa]

:LOL:

Since I have the same Roland synth he uses, I think I have more of an idea of how he gets his sounds through it and trust me, it's not going through a guitar amp, it would colour the sound too much. I have no idea where you got the idea from that he does do that, but I think you'll find that it's not true.


choose to believe what ever you want to believe. but like i said before he doesnt use his equiptment the way its suppsoe to be used everyone knows that, hes got a few screws loose in his head or something. besides matt wasnt looking for the "natual tone" when he plugs his synth into a P.A when he plays live, it just doesnt fit with the rest of the band. Think or read stuff about the band before you type it here because you just pass on completly wrong information. The fact that you have the same synth makes you more of a ^&#$#@ for not knowing how he really uses it.

[Ash]

Jesus we REALLY need something new to talk about.

[wowsplat]

doesnt matt use a pod pro and a podxt pro? i thought they were basically the samething just the xt is a newer model? someone please explaine the difference?

[bkaa]

the xt is just a oval looking thing, the xt pro is a rack unit , the difference is about 400 dollars

[no3chris]

Anyone heard the new mariah carey record, it rawks my sawks

[Ash]

Anyone heard the new mariah carey record, it rawks my sawks

Hmm.

Would you?

[haze015]

choose to believe what ever you want to believe. but like i said before he doesnt use his equiptment the way its suppsoe to be used everyone knows that, hes got a few screws loose in his head or something. besides matt wasnt looking for the "natual tone" when he plugs his synth into a P.A when he plays live, it just doesnt fit with the rest of the band. Think or read stuff about the band before you type it here because you just pass on completly wrong information. The fact that you have the same synth makes you more of a ^&#$#@ for not knowing how he really uses it.

So according to you, Matt would purposeally make himself sound shit "just to be different"
Fuck off, Matt's really conventional with his setup, only his guitars feature any originality, not the rest of it.

I think the fact you talk shit without accepting people know the facts of how all this equipment works shows you are a "^&#$#@" than me. I know a JP-8000 works, I've had it for fucking 5 years and really played around with it.

Don't fucking argue with me on to use a JP-8000 ever, I know more about that synth than I know about guitar.

And it helps you readup on stuff before you post, because you really are full of shit.

[bkaa]

So according to you, Matt would purposeally make himself sound shit "just to be different"
Fuck off, Matt's really conventional with his setup, only his guitars feature any originality, not the rest of it.

I think the fact you talk shit without accepting people know the facts of how all this equipment works shows you are a "^&#$#@" than me. I know a JP-8000 works, I've had it for fucking 5 years and really played around with it.

Don't fucking argue with me on to use a JP-8000 ever, I know more about that synth than I know about guitar.

And it helps you readup on stuff before you post, because you really are full of shit.


Before you make your self look more than the idiot you already are read the keyboard magazine thread. thats all i have to say now you can shut the fuck up :) wait a minute let me copy&paste it here

Onstage, you have two Roland JP-8000s, how do you run them?

We run the JPs through amps because the sound through a DI was just too clean and it didn't really fit with the band. Live, my JP runs through a Fender DeVille; it's pretty clean sounding, but going through those little speakers makes it less full-range, which makes it easier to mix.

so before your dumbass makes another post make sure you know what the fuck your talking about, because ive noticed you just talk straight out of your ass hole . have a good day

edit: btw matt doesnt make his synth tone sound like shit, appreantly he likes the tone coming out of the deville, but you think it sounds like shit, then i feel sorry for you. thats just your opinion in your little penut head :LOL:

[Dramatic Hammer]

Shockingly, I agree with BKack here - I read an interview where Matt said they put the keyboard through the Fender, as the bandpass effect makes it much easier to fit the piano into the mix (as you know Chris uses a massive frequency range already). I don't know if they use it for all the keyboard sounds or just the piano though......
Edit: he beat me to it

[AstroPenguin]

right before each chorus they have that loud thing fade in, (that windy effect, dont know what to call it) does anyone have any idea how they made it or what it is?

[Punching_sandwiches]

right before each chorus they have that loud thing fade in, (that windy effect, dont know what to call it) does anyone have any idea how they made it or what it is?

It was just Matt screaming or something wasn't it? I always hear in lots of songs they have wierd fady bits, I wish I knew how to make them so my recordings would sound better.

[Dramatic Hammer]

right before each chorus they have that loud thing fade in, (that windy effect, dont know what to call it) does anyone have any idea how they made it or what it is?
Synth (strings/breath/air presets etc) + cymbal roll would probably be your best best for recreating it :) .

[Jabnit]

right before each chorus they have that loud thing fade in, (that windy effect, dont know what to call it) does anyone have any idea how they made it or what it is?
If you mean the "widy" bit just before:
"This... is... the last time I.. abandon you!... and this is....! the last time I forget you" e.t.c.?

If so. I reckon its some weird effect used in the recording studio. You must be a bit picky if you need it in a cover performance. What do you want to know for? :D

[Beast Love]

If you mean the "widy" bit just before:
"This... is... the last time I.. abandon you!... and this is....! the last time I forget you" e.t.c.?


well, that would be known as the chorus, as the guy said.

[Jabnit]

well, that would be known as the chorus, as the guy said.
I'm not too familiar with that song so I just thaught I would try to narrow it down a bit.

[Dramatic Hammer]

I'm not too familiar with that song so I just thaught I would try to narrow it down a bit.
If it's the sound I think it is, theres one starting at 1:24/5 in the song.

[AstroPenguin]

i already made a pretty dead on version of the backing track to the chorus with all the synth and piano and stuff. just had that one loud part before the chorus to figure out.

anyone know anywhere i can upload the synth backing track so u guys can hear it?

[Bl44t44p]

If it's the sound I think it is, theres one starting at 1:24/5 in the song.

That's just synthesizer I think.

[poko]

hey ive got the tab book and ive seen them do it live but i have no idea how to play the intro riff it just never sounds anyfin at all like the song, anyone got any idea of what i mite b doin wrong, is there sum weird rythm or summin??

[anonymousanimal]

I've seen some weirdness in S.S tabs. they seem to add to mainy open notes into the beginning section.

[blindness]

Most of the tabs out there are right, just play it really fast, if it helps play it on a lower octave.

I think it has some sort of midi effect on it that makes it sound like a sequencer.

[OD-Musik]

I think it would be helpfull if we can find a close-up video of him playing it.

[Jackplug]

Dropped D tuning.

[Bewilders]

Dropped D tuning.
Exactly what i was going to say.

[wowsplat]

check out the US version of the SS video. great close up on matt's fingers as he plays the intro riff

[anonymousanimal]

Dropped D tuning.

yeah, but that's no bombshell, the tabs will have that right.

[stuart]

Yea the Stockholm Syndrome tab seems to be pretty much spot on...

[matt's half brother]

Synth (strings/breath/air presets etc) + cymbal roll would probably be your best best for recreating it :) .
that was my answer, well done

[james90]

Sorry for bumping an old-ish thread, but I have a question.

I can't play the SS intro riff on one of my guitars, the string keeps getting caught on the pick.

Should I lower the action or adjust the intonation or something? (I can play it fine on my other guitar)

This guitar just buzzes and the string keeps getting in the way.


Thanks.


Sorry if this has been asked before :$

[ReinierK]

check out the US version of the SS video. great close up on matt's fingers as he plays the intro riff

But Matt always plays it weird ;)

For starters, he plays it (picking) close to the neck... IMHO that's quite a waste of energy, since the strings amplitude is greater there... I pick it more towards the bridge (but that makes it sound a bit more treble-ish)...

Second, he rests his hand (fingers) on one of his pickups. I know his joints are hyper flexible, so he seems to pick 'in-line' with the string, but it doesn't help me. Resting my hand on the bridge is somewhat more comfortable for me, but you can also pick it with your hand floating.

Third, his fretting fingers are lifted way to high above the string imho, it looks like he is 'hitting' the strings with his fretting hand, almost like a very hard hammer-on (but for that, you kinda bend your fingers more)...

So I personally don't think it's a good idea to adapt Matt's technique esp. for SS ;)

My 2 cents

[Twin]

A little thread about playing SS on guitar :)

Have any tips to play it as fast as possible ? I was wondering if you stoke the D string up and down or just down like me ?

you may aswell use alternate picking, if you're just using down, then there's no reason as to why you shouldn't use the alternate method. think about it, every time you play a down stroke, you need to pull the plec back up in order to play the next down, so why not do an up-pick after the down.

[Jabbin]

This may already have been asked but I cant go through the whole thread!

In the tab book it says the "solo" is played:

D:- 8-5-0-8-5-0-8-5-7-3-0-7-3-0-7-3-5-2-0-5-2-0-5-2-5-1-0-5-1-0-5-1

But on the American video he plays it differently, like up around the 12th fret ...

Huh?

[Calv163]

This may already have been asked but I cant go through the whole thread!

In the tab book it says the "solo" is played:



But on the American video he plays it differently, like up around the 12th fret ...

Huh?

Plays it like this probably:


|D
|A
|D-20-20-17-17-0-0-20-20-17-17-0-0-20-20-17-17

|D
|A
|D-19-19-15-15-0-0-19-19-15-15-0-0-19-19-15-15

|D
|A
|D-17-17-14-14-0-0-17-17-14-14-0-0-17-17-14-14

|D
|A
|D-17-17-13-13-0-0-17-17-13-13-0-0-17-17-13-13

[Jabbin]

Plays it like this probably:


|D
|A
|D-20-20-17-17-0-0-20-20-17-17-0-0-20-20-17-17

|D
|A
|D-19-19-15-15-0-0-19-19-15-15-0-0-19-19-15-15

|D
|A
|D-17-17-14-14-0-0-17-17-14-14-0-0-17-17-14-14

|D
|A
|D-17-17-13-13-0-0-17-17-13-13-0-0-17-17-13-13

Is this easier? Why does the tab book show it a different way? Thanks, btw.

[dwydav]

I found from playing it on the deep D string up on the higher octave of the string that it gave a better sound, and u can bend the strings alot easyer which gives a good effect.. im guessing matt B might have though the same.. its also easyer as the frets are closer.. try it out and see which u prefer.. its basically the same as playing on the higher D string cuz its the ocatve above.. just gives a better effect to the lot

[Jabbin]

I found from playing it on the deep D string up on the higher octave of the string that it gave a better sound, and u can bend the strings alot easyer which gives a good effect.. im guessing matt B might have though the same.. its also easyer as the frets are closer.. try it out and see which u prefer.. its basically the same as playing on the higher D string cuz its the ocatve above.. just gives a better effect to the lot


Its different though ... -0- on the low D string is obviously lower than -0- on the higher d string, so you're playing that last note 1 octave lower. It would have to be the 12th fret to get the same riff, and thats really hard to do...

[dwydav]

yeah but thats your choice.. matt uses the lower D string.. it'll sound similar n e way cuz the solo is pretty fast.. I dno, i prefer playing it like he plays it live.. not how its written in the tab book.. I found quite a few weird things in the tab book to be honest which didnt make n e sense when I watch what MB plays live..

[Rayn]

Hi there,
I was just watching the american version of the SS video, and i noticed matt played alot of the song differently to how i play it, but the playing that was going of on that vid was pretty cool!
So basically do you know if he was just pretending to play or was that actually how he plays the song?
I play the intro riff & interlude/solo riff like this:
E-12-0-13-0-12-0-11-12--0-0-13-0-12-11-12-

thats all played on the E string, but i saw on the vid that he was doing something on the A string too? I just thought it would be pretty cool to play it a different way?

Cheers

[integral]

I think Matt is doing a bit of guitar wankage in the video. SS *is* played on the bottom (D) string, but it obviously looks cooler in the video if you rest your finger on the A string during the solo.

[cabbage farmer]

How many times :eek:

[Jabnit]

wankage

:stunned:

[Bewilders]

D-12-0-13-0-12-0-10-12--0-0-13-0-12-10-12-

[Jabnit]

D-12-0-13-0-12-0-10-12--0-0-13-0-12-10-12-
?

[Riviera Paradise]

Hi there,
I was just watching the american version of the SS video, and i noticed matt played alot of the song differently to how i play it, but the playing that was going of on that vid was pretty cool!
So basically do you know if he was just pretending to play or was that actually how he plays the song?
I play the intro riff & interlude/solo riff like this:
E-12-0-13-0-12-0-11-12--0-0-13-0-12-11-12-

thats all played on the E string, but i saw on the vid that he was doing something on the A string too? I just thought it would be pretty cool to play it a different way?

Cheers


Instead of doing the riff the album way or as I seen it the live way....

String A---------------------------------------------//------------------------------------------//.....
String D-12-0-13-0-12-0-10-12-0-0-13-0-12-0-10-12//0-0-13-0-12-0-10-12-0-0-13-0-16-17-16-0//....

He does it in the video this way and the way above....

String A ---------------------------------------------//------------------------------9-10-9--//......
String D-12-0-13-0-12-0-10-12-0-0-13-0-12-0-10-12//0-0-13-0-12-0-10-12-0-0-13-0--------0//.....

Can you read it????

Don't forget that the guitar is in Drop-D tuning!!!!!!

[Rayn]

yeah thanks :)
heh ive always had the tuning wrong, i forgot about it and have played it in E all along, oops.

Bewilders also corrected me on the tablature, thanks!

[Bewilders]

Bewilders also corrected me on the tablature, thanks!
No problem! :)

[Jabbin]

Im having a bit o trouble with the verse of this song.

Ive learnt all the chords etc they just sound a bit ... 'dirty' and not very nice to listen to. Its kind of ok if I play each chord once, but if not it just all mangles together into a horrible sound. Ive tried taking some gain out but it is a pretty gainy song and you need that for the riff and harmonics?

Actually, whilst we re on the subject ... could anyone help me work out my pedal. Its a Zoom GFX-1, and its pretty cool for what I need, its just some of the distortions I use are nice and clean, sharp etc, and some are very 'fuzzy' and all mangle together as I say, and like it picks up every movement etc, which I dont like ... to sensitive. I manily use 'lead' and 'fuzz' amp models ... but I wondered if theres anything else I can change to stop this ... EQ, contour, comp/limit etc?

Anyways yer, any help would be great please.

Oh, PS, did anyone ever work out the chords he plays on the guitar in the chorus, I saw some on here but not sure theyre right?

Cheers

Jx

[stuart]

You playing the chords for the verse the same as they are in the tab book? I just play those chords with fuckloads of gain, also use the heavier overdrive channel on my amp.

[nonetheless]

a phaser me thinks

[DominicHoward]

it's reversed screaming

[dwydav]

if you're thinking of the thing which just swells in volume during the part where he plays G F# F and the swell arrives on the F until he starts to sings and the piano riff is launched, then ya it pretty much sounds like a scream played backwards.. if you're thinking of the same effect that is used like on new born just before the guitar riff starts, where matt is messing about with his Fuzz factory, and u hear a sort of crackling that rises in pitch, that is a Bass synth effect I believe.. my bassist has the Boss Bass Synthesiser and he gets the exact same effect.. its pretty kewl but kind of irrelevant to anything haha its just this weird thing for a filling effect..

[guitarsoloownage]

In the stockholm syndrome solo does anyone know what kind of effects he uses, I'm pretty sure I got the music right but I need to know what effects he uses, I'm pretty sure he uses some kind of phaser but it sounds like theres something else, maybe a wah? I dunno, please help.

[Moss]

This is just me speculating (but i have good judgement :D:D:D)

I rckon he has 2 signals one thats phasered to the max, n the other isnt, thats why it sounds like wahing, cos the two signals crossover!

[guitarsoloownage]

ohhhhhhh, yeah that does sound right, I'm not very good with figureing out effects but that makes sense. thanx:)

[haze015]

no, there is no phasing (if you're referring to the studio version) in the solo, just a wah pedal, mixed in.
The sound for SS is done by mixing a synth going through a wah pedal (hence why you hear those effects) and a guitar in a programme called Kyma.
Live, I really can't remember.

[Moss]

no, there is no phasing (if you're referring to the studio version) in the solo, just a wah pedal, mixed in.
The sound for SS is done by mixing a synth going through a wah pedal (hence why you hear those effects) and a guitar in a programme called Kyma.
Live, I really can't remember.

I was refering to live :) Cos the dude said "what he uses" not "what he USED on the album"

[Funklord]

no, there is no phasing (if you're referring to the studio version) in the solo, just a wah pedal, mixed in.
The sound for SS is done by mixing a synth going through a wah pedal (hence why you hear those effects) and a guitar in a programme called Kyma.
Live, I really can't remember.
where did you get all that info?

[reverendmaynard]

I was refering to live :) Cos the dude said "what he uses" not "what he USED on the album"

pretty sure live he uses one of the phasing effects from the Mod Pro (blue rack)

[haze015]

where did you get all that info?

Sound On Sound interview I think, something like that anyway.
If I was to play SS at a gig, I'd just set my phaser really slow and do that, as it's really subtle, it doesn't take over at all, works really well.

[james90]

Sorry for bumping another old thread, but.....


I have quite a few live videos of SS, and in every one of them Matt plays some chords different from the ones in the tab book. (some sort of power chord?)..The different chords are in the first part of the verse.

He plays these chords until the "and she'll scream and she'll shout" etc part.

I just play it with regular power chords, but I was wondering if anyone knows the exact chords. (I doubt it though)

:confused:

[musecasters]

Sorry for bumping another old thread, but.....


I have quite a few live videos of SS, and in every one of them Matt plays some chords different from the ones in the tab book. (some sort of power chord?)..The different chords are in the first part of the verse.

He plays these chords until the "and she'll scream and she'll shout" etc part.

I just play it with regular power chords, but I was wondering if anyone knows the exact chords. (I doubt it though)

:confused:
i don't think it's power chords, more like octaves :)

[james90]

I'm not very famililar with this stuff though, I'm completely self taught :$

I'll try to get a video clip of him playing those chords

[musecasters]

I'm not very famililar with this stuff though, I'm completely self taught :$

I'll try to get a video clip of him playing those chords
not chords mate, a chord is three or more notes, power chords are the note, the 5th & the octave, these are just octaves (one note, with the same note an octave lower or higher)

i've not tried this but it looks close
Verse
E|------------------------------------------------------------------
B|------------------------------------------------------------------
G|--7-7-7-7-5-5-5-5-4-4-4-4-3-3-3-3-7-7-7-7-6-6-6-6-5-5-5-5-7-7-7-7-
D|--x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-
A|--5-5-5-5-3-3-3-3-2-2-2-2-1-1-1-1-5-5-5-5-4-4-4-4-3-3-3-3-5-5-5-5-
D|------------------------------------------------------------------

E|---------------------------------------------------------------
B|---------------------------------------------------------------
G|--15-15-15-15-14-14-14-14-12-12-12-12-12-12-12-12-12-12-12-12--
D|--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x---
A|--13-13-13-13-12-12-12-12-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10--
D|---------------------------------------------------------------

E|---------------------------
B|---------------------------
G|--12-12-12-12-14-14-14-14--
D|--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x---
A|--10-10-10-10-12-12-12-12--
D|---------------------------

Bit before Chorus
E|---------
B|---------
G|---------
D|--5-4-3--
A|--5-4-3--
D|--5-4-3?

[james90]

Cool, that's exactly what I was playing :)


I get confused with the chords/octaves/etc stuff sometimes, sorry :$

[musecasters]

Cool, that's exactly what I was playing :)


I get confused with the chords/octaves/etc stuff sometimes, sorry :$

don't worry, most of us are self taught, me included ;)

when its the chorus (thiiiiiiissssssss iiisssssssss the last time...) play a F, A & Dm, not the power chords, sounds cool

[dwydav]

yeah thats pretty right but he adds some stuff on the B string when he does th higher part.. he adds some thing to harmonize with the vocal line I think.. makes it sounds nicer.. I can't be arsed to write it out though.. :(

[dwydav]

not chords mate, a chord is three or more notes, power chords are the note, the 5th & the octave, these are just octaves (one note, with the same note an octave lower or higher)

i've not tried this but it looks close
Verse
E|------------------------------------------------------------------
B|------------------------------------------------------------------
G|--7-7-7-7-5-5-5-5-4-4-4-4-3-3-3-3-7-7-7-7-6-6-6-6-5-5-5-5-7-7-7-7-
D|--x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-
A|--5-5-5-5-3-3-3-3-2-2-2-2-1-1-1-1-5-5-5-5-4-4-4-4-3-3-3-3-5-5-5-5-
D|------------------------------------------------------------------

E|---------------------------------------------------------------
B|---------------------------------------------------------------
G|--15-15-15-15-14-14-14-14-12-12-12-12-12-12-12-12-12-12-12-12--
D|--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x---
A|--13-13-13-13-12-12-12-12-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10--
D|---------------------------------------------------------------

E|---------------------------
B|---------------------------
G|--12-12-12-12-14-14-14-14--
D|--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x---
A|--10-10-10-10-12-12-12-12--
D|---------------------------

Bit before Chorus
E|---------
B|---------
G|---------
D|--5-4-3--
A|--5-4-3--
D|--5-4-3?
oh shit wait I play it cmpletely different and I find it sounds alot nicer than the way you play it.. I play it like this:

Verse
E|------------------------------------------------------------------
B|------------------------------------------------------------------
G|--7-7-7-7-5-5-5-5-4-4-4-4-3-3-3-3-7-7-7-7-6-6-6-6-5-5-5-5-7-7-7-7-
D|--x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-
A|--5-5-5-5-3-3-3-3-2-2-2-2-1-1-1-1-5-5-5-5-4-4-4-4-3-3-3-3-5-5-5-5-
D|------------------------------------------------------------------

E|---------------------------------------------------------------
B|--11-11-11-11-10-10-10-10- 8- 8-8-- 8- 8- 8- 8- 8-----------------
G|--12-12-12-12-10-10-10-10- 9- 9-9- 9- 8- 8- 8- 8------------
D|--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--------------
A|--10-10-10-10- 8 -8- 8- 8- 7- 7- 7- 7- 6- 6- 6- 6---------------
E¦-----------------------------------------------------------------

and then after that you stay on a A powerchord until the ed of the verse, and you go into the DUM DUM DUMDUMDIMDUMDUMD or you just start again..

[Doog]

the chords you're looking for are

and she'll scream
x-10-8-7-x-x

and she'll shout
x-8-7-7-x-x

and she'll pray
x-7-5-7-x-x

x-6-5-7-x-x

and she had a name
x-0-5-7-x-x

yeah she had a name
x-0-7-6-x-x

on the earl's court mp3 for this bit (and she had a name, yeah she had a name) he plays the following:


G|-7-7-----7-7-----
D|-----5-5-----5-5- (x4)

G|-6-6-----6-6-----
D|-----5-5-----5-5- (x4)

[Splinter]

So can anyone please give me the entire correct tab? I've looked and found like 5 good tabs, but none of them seem 100% correct.
I play:

Intro/Riff:
D: 12-0-13-0-12-0-10-12-0-0 (No hammer-ons or pull-offs, just rapid alternate picking)

Verse:
A: 6-6-6-6-5-5-5-5-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-6-6-6-6
D: 7-7-7-7-5-5-5-5-4-4-4-4-3-3-3-3-7-7-7-7
G: x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x
B: 5-5-5-5-3-3-3-3-2-2-2-2-1-1-1-1-5-5-5-5
----
A: 11-11-11-11-10-10-10-10-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-
D: 12-12-12-12-10-10-10-10-9-9-9-9-8-8-8-8-
G: -x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-
B: 10-10-10-10--8--8--8--8-7-7-7-7-6-6-6-6-

A: 8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10
D: 9-9-9-9-9-9-9-9--9--9--9--9--9--9--9--9
G: x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x
B: 7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7--7--7--7--7--7--7--7--7

Chorus:
G: 5-4-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3
B: 5-4-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3
D: 5-4-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3
---
G: 3-3-3-3-2-2-2-2-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0
B: 3-3-3-3-2-2-2-2-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0
D: 3-3-3-3-2-2-2-2-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0

G: 3-3-3-3-2-2-2-2-0-0-0-0-8-8-8-8
B: 3-3-3-3-2-2-2-2-0-0-0-0-8-8-8-8
D: 3-3-3-3-2-2-2-2-0-0-0-0-8-8-8-8
---
G: 3-3-6-6-7-7-10-12
B: 3-3-6-6-7-7-10-12
D: 3-3-6-6-7-7-10-12

Bridge/Solo:
G: 8-8-5-5-0-0-8-8-5-5-0-0-7-7-3-3-0-0-7-7-3-3-0-0-

G: 5-5-2-2-0-0-5-5-1-1-0-0 (Alternate picking)
---
G: 7-0-8-0-7-0-5-7-0-0 (Again, no hammer-ons & pull-offs, just alternate picking)

Ending:
G: 0-0-13-0-12-0-10-12
B: 0-0-13-0-12-0-10-12
D: 0-0-13-0-12-0-10-12


Is that 100% correct?

[kuz]

actually, most of that is wrong :erm: why not just stick to the official sheet music? if you read the FAQ at the top of the page of this forum, you'd notice they give you a link to somewhere on microcuts.net or summat where you can download scans of the official guitar tab part to stockholm syndrome, among others. why don't you try that? ;)

[sam_jk]

Think the tab book verse sounds best, more harmonic, even though matt plays it as straight octaves live...

[Spc.Dmnt]

Have Matt ever played this on Keyboard/piano live or any of you guys ? I'd like to play the piano part but it's sth like impossible with two hands doing the chords and the left hand part. I think i can play it if someone can tell me what to do :D :)

If you wanna see how i play, check http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=7Umudo7

[RaceAgnstMyself]

does anybody have the tab for the solo towards the end?

go to this site http://www.microcuts.net/uk/tabs it has all the official guitar tabs. Hahahaha i love that its so cool! And btw i still cant play stockholm like matt its all the strumming hand you gotta be good at it. Im really close tho!

[Clunge]

Remember this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3l_hquPlDw

Matt has a backing track for the intro riff harmonics. Well from this video from Rock In Rio last night, seems he's still doing or has started again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnV7AbCtWng

Pish.

[addyjoe]

Haha, that's SO unsubtle.

[Clunge]

I know :LOL:.

Lazy sod.

[Esparoba1]

1. Knights of Cydonia
2. Hysteria
3. Map of the Problematique
4. Supermassive Black Hole
5. New Born
6. Feeling Good
7. Starlight
8. Nishe riff
9. Time is Running Out
10. Plug in Baby
11. Stockholm Syndrome + Rio Riff
12. Take a Bow

Only things worht noticing of rock in rio

[Clunge]

Indeed, I watched the webcast, not a good gig at all.

[Esparoba1]

A new solo was used for Supermassive Black Hole. A slightly different bass riff was used for Starlight, for the breakout before the last verse. Nishe was played for the first time since 2000 and Matthew Bellamy let the crowd sing the verse before the first chorus from Time Is Running Out. The balloons were released at the end of Plug In Baby.

Download audio from gig (http://muselive.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=32110)


Nishe was really nice and I like the new solo of SMBH no more kaoss pad :) and the jazzy intro of starlight is really cool

[Clunge]

The Kaoss pad broke ;).

That's why he had to improv a solo.

[Esparoba1]

A new solo was used for Supermassive Black Hole. A slightly different bass riff was used for Starlight, for the breakout before the last verse. Nishe was played for the first time since 2000 and Matthew Bellamy let the crowd sing the verse before the first chorus from Time Is Running Out. The balloons were released at the end of Plug In Baby.

Download audio from gig (http://muselive.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=32110)


Nishe was really nice and I like the new solo of SMBH no more kaoss pad :) and the jazzy intro of starlight is really cool

The second Twitter item, posted after the gig had finished, had Matthew Bellamy explain that the strap fell of his guitar during New Born. This resulted in an extended break between the piano intro and the start of the guitar part. Both of the Twitter updates were posted using TwitterBerry on BlackBerry.
:eek:

[Esparoba1]

The Kaoss pad broke ;).

That's why he had to improv a solo.

do you mean the X/Y pad in his guitar or the actual kaoss pad on his pedalboard :eek:

[Clunge]

X/Y pad I spose. It just did nothing when he poked it, listen to the bootleg - there is 2/3 seconds of gap at the start of the solo.

[toff]

Nishe was epic. I remember on the live stream i was watching, the chatbox next to it was full of "ZOMG WTF IS DIZ? DUR NEW SUNG IS CRAPZ0R".

Someone pointed out it was an old song, and all the n00bs denied it, and insisted "WTF Y WUD DEY PLY AN OLD SONG? LULZ"

[brinstar]

nishe was indeed epic! it sounded amazing!

[Spyke]

Nishe was epic. I remember on the live stream i was watching, the chatbox next to it was full of "ZOMG WTF IS DIZ? DUR NEW SUNG IS CRAPZ0R".

Someone pointed out it was an old song, and all the n00bs denied it, and insisted "WTF Y WUD DEY PLY AN OLD SONG? LULZ"
Live Stream? Where did you get a live stream from?

[toff]

Live Stream? Where did you get a live stream from?

The interwebz. it was on justin.tv. Was horribly out of sync though.

[Esparoba1]

The second Twitter item, posted after the gig had finished, had Matthew Bellamy explain that the strap fell of his guitar during New Born. This resulted in an extended break between the piano intro and the start of the guitar part. Both of the Twitter updates were posted using TwitterBerry on BlackBerry.
:eek:

sorry to bring this thread back up but there are vids of matthew during newborn lol

_aZssiTo9OM

look at dom laughing while doing drum fills when matthew is getting his strap repaired


also a vid of SMBH

_3X5VsojM_0

I like the solo for SMBH

[james90]

:erm:


so out of curiosity, how does everyone play the part of the song that starts about...1:30 in? "this is the last time..." etc

I play it like

F, A/C#, Dm

I think that's how it was written in the tab book.

[toff]

:erm:


so out of curiosity, how does everyone play the part of the song that starts about...1:30 in? "this is the last time..." etc

I play it like

F, A/C#, Dm

I think that's how it was written in the tab book.

I just play F, A, Dm.

Im sure in the tab book it has it down as:

-----------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------
--3---------2---------0----------------------
--3--X16--2--X16--0--X16--------------
--3---------2----------0--------------------

[donbenjy]

...they're all augmented chords...there's no way that's right!

[toff]

...they're all augmented chords...there's no way that's right!

i dont know what that means (i r theory n00b) :p But if your talking about that tab i posted, its not what matt plays live. Chris plays that bit live whilst Matt adds the F, A and Dm over it.

[donbenjy]

oh, I swear it was:

---
---
-2-
-2-
-2-
---

What you put is just F5 E5 D5 (if we're in drop D) :) Still not sure that would be right though...

[toff]

oh, I swear it was:

---
---
-2-
-2-
-2-
---

What you put is just F5 E5 D5 (if we're in drop D) :) Still not sure that would be right though...


On the record, theres a quiet fuzzy guitar in the background playing F5 E5 D5 along with the bass playing the root notes, but other than that, theres no guitar on the records chorus (that my speakers are playing, anyway). Doesn't fit well with the chorus IMO, i prefer it when the bass plays the root notes and Matt F A Dm, as he does live.

[Musemonkey1]

:erm:


so out of curiosity, how does everyone play the part of the song that starts about...1:30 in? "this is the last time..." etc

I play it like

F, A/C#, Dm

I think that's how it was written in the tab book.

I play the arpeggios for the the chords, just any random voicing, and then power chords (F5, A5 and D5) for the last chorus.

[Jonneh]

:erm:


so out of curiosity, how does everyone play the part of the song that starts about...1:30 in? "this is the last time..." etc

I play it like

F, A/C#, Dm

I think that's how it was written in the tab book.

The first chord he plays is definitely C, then A then Dm. Can see them all clearly in the video posted a page back in various parts :)

[james90]

The first chord he plays is definitely C, then A then Dm. Can see them all clearly in the video posted a page back in various parts :)

You sure? I thought it was an F, but without the 6th string being fretted

[toff]

Its deffo an F, C just sounds completely off.

[the_man361]

yeah theres no way its a C first

[coffee_and_tv]

ok.. firstly, that smbh solo shows that bells cant improv to save himself

and secondly, these are the chords i play for the SS chorus

333211 F
202220 A
000231 Dmin

333211 F
202220 A
000231 Dmin
888766 Bb

for the F, A and Bb, i fret the bottom string with my thumb

[Samcoma]

Same as me :yesey: Thumb fretting ftw.


Although I fret the E note with my thumb while playing the A chord.

So

F
-1
-2
-3
-x
-3

A
-
-2
-2
-2
-
-2

And the just a DM

-1
-3
-2
-0
-0
-0

MOAR power playing it that way.

[jonnno]

ok.. firstly, that smbh solo shows that bells cant improv to save himself

:LOL:+10000000

[Neaver]

I do the chorus like this:

|----------------|
|----------------|
|----------------|
|-5-4-3-etc.-|
|-5-4-3--------|
|-5-4-3--------|

Then:

|-1---------------------------|
|-1-----------5----------3--|
|-2-----------4----------2--|
|-3-etc.-----2-etc.---0--|
|-x-----------2----------0--|
|--------------2----------0--|

Final part before the end I just use this chord shape:

|------|
|-11-|
|-10-|
|-8---|
|-8---|
|-8---|

[coffee_and_tv]

wouldnt that 22245x shape be an E5 chord though? i thought the second chord was an A...

[Samcoma]

wouldnt that 22245x shape be an E5 chord though? i thought the second chord was an A...
In the studio version yes the E5 shape was used. You can pick it out pretty easily. Live its the A.

[coffee_and_tv]

In the studio version yes the E5 shape was used. You can pick it out pretty easily. Live its the A.

are you sure its not just the bassline thats throwing you there? im pretty sure if you listen to the synth its playing A arpeggios, while the bass is playing Es

[bshuker]

The chord is A/E, it sounds like he's played the E5 or just even a low E on the studio, as it gives the recording some more balls.

Live an A would probably be a more suitable choice because it will carry the chord progression across more easily to the ear. (Especially if there is no synth or anything present playing the A). Obviously the bass will still play the E, otherwise you won't end up with an A/E.

Come on it's a SIMPLE inversion in order to create a descending bassline plus that lovely lovely harmony from the IVb (IIb whichever way you look at it)

If you look at the chord sequence its this:

Fmaj - A/E - Dm
III - IVb - i (regarding D as the tonic) (i can't fucking get these to line up properly)
I - IIb - vi (regarding F as the tonic)

I put it both ways as some people are more familiar with sticking to the major rather than shifting it around.

[Jonneh]

yeah theres no way its a C first

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/1609/97350862ce0.jpg

That's the first chord he plays, it's a C is it not? :confused:

[donbenjy]

...no, that looks like an F without the low strings fretted.

[Jonneh]

...no, that looks like an F without the low strings fretted.
Ah, fair enough, looks like a C at first glance.

[toff]

Yeh thats an F. If you look, his ring fingers fretting F on the 4th string.

[NightMan]

what are the tabs for the second part of the verse matt plays live where he doesn't go all the way up to the 12th fret like the ultimate-guitar tabs say it's played

[Valentin_Selezynov]

I refuse to downtune my guitars, and have the tab book so know it's supposed to be played in drop d tuning. Can it be played without having to do that. I worked out how to play New Born without tuning down.

[Samcoma]

SS is an open riff. Can't play it in standard. Limit yourself though with just the one tuning.

[theanatomyofguns]

I refuse to downtune my guitars,

...why?!:stunned:
I live in drop D

[Valentin_Selezynov]

...why?!:stunned:
I live in drop D

I don't like what downtuned guitars represent.

[NightMan]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pSDCy1gITuc&amp;feature=related

how do you play the part of the verse he plays at 1:07?

[Samcoma]

I don't like what downtuned guitars represent.
What rock? That's a fairly big cliche you're making of a tuning. By doing that you limit yourself a hell of a lot.

[Valentin_Selezynov]

I actually think that by limiting myself in physical ways like that, i'm opening doors in other areas.

[Samcoma]

I actually think that by limiting myself in physical ways like that, i'm opening doors in other areas.
Not really. Slide guitar is mostly played in drop tuning so are many of the great riffs. The only thing you really do is limit yourself to one set tuning. At least try messing around with the alternatives.
Many musicians wouldn't of written songs if they'd just stayed in standard.

To think what Blur or Jeff Buckley would sound like if they'd stuck with that same state of mind.

[toff]

what are the tabs for the second part of the verse matt plays live where he doesn't go all the way up to the 12th fret like the ultimate-guitar tabs say it's played

These are the chords, youll be able to get the drift of it from them (put it into notepad):




e-----------------------------------------
B----------------------------------------
G---7--7--7-7---7--6--6-------------------------
D---8--7--5-5---5--5--7--------------------------
A--10-8--7-6---x--x--x---------------------------
D-----------------------------------------



I refuse to downtune my guitars, and have the tab book so know it's supposed to be played in drop d tuning. Can it be played without having to do that. I worked out how to play New Born without tuning down.


No. The main riff uses the open D string, which you wont have when tuned in standard. Just tune the guitar down dude, itll take all of about 10 seconds...










EDIT: betterz tabz

[Valentin_Selezynov]

Not really. Slide guitar is mostly played in drop tuning so are many of the great riffs. The only thing you really do is limit yourself to one set tuning. At least try messing around with the alternatives.
Many musicians wouldn't of written songs if they'd just stayed in standard.

To think what Blur or Jeff Buckley would sound like if they'd stuck with that same state of mind.

I don't like Blur or Jeff Buckley.

[NightMan]

These are the chords, youll be able to get the drift of it from them (put it into notepad or something like that):

e x x x x x x x
B x x x x x x x
G 7 7 7 7 7 6 6
D 8 7 5 5 5 5 7
A 10 8 7 6 x x x
D x x x x x x x




No. The main riff uses the open D string, which you wont have when tuned in standard. Just tune the guitar down dude, itll take all of about 10 seconds...

I really appreciate it!!!

[Samcoma]

I don't like Blur or Jeff Buckley.
I was using them as an example. Muse without Drop d. Lulz.
Or even better Porcupine tree without drop D :LOL:

[Valentin_Selezynov]

I don't like Porcupine Tree, and am rapidly going off Muse. All of their best work is in standard tuning anyway.

[Samcoma]

I don't like Porcupine Tree, and am rapidly going off Muse. All of their best work is in standard tuning anyway.
"Alkaline Trio, Bayside, The Birthday Massacre, Blaqk Audio, AFI, Heavens, Home Grown, Love Equals Death, Morrissey, Aiden, Enter Shikari, The Killers, Lostprophets, Placebo, Skillet, Taking Back Sunday, Fall Out Boy." The majority of there songs are in drop tunings.

Drop C, D. Apart from Morrissey they all use drop tunings because it fits the style of music.

[toff]

and am rapidly going off Muse. All of their best work is in standard tuning anyway.


stockholm syndrome? new born? butterflies and hurricanes? assassin? citizen erased? :eek:

[NightMan]

stockholm syndrome? new born? butterflies and hurricanes? assassin? citizen erased? :eek:

THE SMALL PRINT!?! ... :indiff:

[Valentin_Selezynov]

They're not bands i want to style my own music on though. I like listening to them, but don't worry myself about learning their stuff. If a song i particularly like is playable in standard tuning i'll figure it out. There isn't a TBS song i havn't been able to play in standard tuning yet. Bayside are pretty bad for drop d, they're a guilty pleasure. Alkaline Trio don't use drop d very much at all.

[Valentin_Selezynov]

stockholm syndrome? new born? butterflies and hurricanes? assassin? citizen erased? :eek:

I can play new born in standard, though i had to modify it a little. I can also play citizen erased in standard, but again i had to change it a bit. Stockholme syndrome i'm not a big fan of, and butterflies and hurricanes has gotten a little bit boring for me.

[Samcoma]

stockholm syndrome? new born? butterflies and hurricanes? assassin? citizen erased? :eek:
Errr B&H isn't drop d?


Also Enter Shikari lives in drop C. I couldn't personnel limit myself with one tuning. Especially playing slide.

[toff]

If you can play them in standard, then the tunings not really affecting the music is it...

[Valentin_Selezynov]

If you can play them in standard, then the tunings not really affecting the music is it...

I guess it isn't. I'm going to find a way to play Stockholme Syndrome in standard tuning. I'll report back when i manage it.

But first i'm trying to work out how to play A Little Less Sixteen Candles... without having to downtune.

[toff]

Errr B&H isn't drop d?




wutttt

since when?

[Samcoma]

If you can play them in standard, then the tunings not really affecting the music is it...
Depends on what the song is. CE without the low A does effect the music :p Same as SS without the D.

[Samcoma]

wutttt

since when?
Errr since forever. Just power chords dude and a few other chords. Plus the riff is a lot easier to play in standard.

[toff]

Errr since forever. Just power chords dude and a few other chords. Plus the riff is a lot easier to play in standard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMeVjIgshY4

2:37, the chord change, he hardly moves his hand...if that was in standard, he'd have to move his hands 2 frets up, which he clearly doesnt.


:p

[theanatomyofguns]

Errr B&H isn't drop d?


Also Enter Shikari lives in drop C. I couldn't personnel limit myself with one tuning. Especially playing slide.

B&H is in drop D when they play live, I think
And Enter Shikari used to live in drop D, but now live in drop C#:p

stockholm syndrome? new born? butterflies and hurricanes? assassin? citizen erased? :eek:

Dead star, hyper music, overdue, yes please...

I was using them as an example. Muse without Drop d. Lulz.
Or even better Porcupine tree without drop D :LOL:

Foo Fighters without drop D = :supersad:

[Valentin_Selezynov]

I've seen B&H tabbed in drop d, that tab always looked more accurate to me, but it's possible to play it in standard.

[Samcoma]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMeVjIgshY4

2:37, the chord change, he hardly moves his hand...if that was in standard, he'd have to move his hands 2 frets up, which he clearly doesnt.


:p
No he wouldn't :confused: The chord is F5,F5#,G5. If that was in drop d it would be played higher up the neck. Plus where he plays the riff (5th fret would be in a lower tuning if that was drop d)

[toff]

Im talking about the A5# to F5

[Samcoma]

Im talking about the A5# to F5
Watch the Harrp version you can see clearer it's normal Ee tuning :p

[toff]

I reject your theory and vow to look at all butterflies and hurricanes live videos until i find the one that clearly shows its in drop d!

[theanatomyofguns]

Watch the Harrp version you can see clearer it's normal Ee tuning :p

Listen to HAARP, at the end of the song Matt plays a D chord, then slides his fingers around and you can clearly hear a low open D fading out:p

[toff]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3bME6gpAFI

about 1:40...its quick, but you can see hes on the second fret to play the E...

want MOAR? :p

[Xut]

hey guys, any pedal below 100euros that could make a sound suitable for SS?
I don't ask for a sound SIMILAR but a sound that either comes close or als gives a good punch but that isn't too muddy on high gain for SS, cuz I need to hear the notes I play :P
So well, I kinda ask for a VH4 Diezel replacement xD
but not really.... xD

[toff]

Hm...i know its not a pedal, but you could get Guitar Rig 2(i dont know if its more or less than 100, but im sure you dont have to pay 100 ;))...it has a VH4 simulatorz iirc.

[Phill]

I guess it isn't. I'm going to find a way to play Stockholme Syndrome in standard tuning. I'll report back when i manage it.

Just move the whole song up a tone then. the riff won't have the same impact but the first version that was played on radio 1 was a tone higher.

[Xut]

hmm, I don't have a Mac or something so playing it live would become a serious problem, but i'll keep it in mind ;)

[drumuse]

I reject your theory and vow to look at all butterflies and hurricanes live videos until i find the one that clearly shows its in drop d!

I was front row mosh at 2 australian gigs in november and watching nothing but what bellamy did during B&H twice, its in drop D, there is no debate, i play the exact same version he does and i learned it by ear from him, then clarified it at the gig watching it.

[the_man361]

hmm, I don't have a Mac or something so playing it live would become a serious problem, but i'll keep it in mind ;)

can use a pc as well

[Doog]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3bME6gpAFI

about 1:40...its quick, but you can see hes on the second fret to play the E...

want MOAR? :p

whs. guitar is in drop d, simple as. bass also used to be drop d (see glasto) but was in standard for earl's court and quite probably has been ever since

[Xut]

can use a pc as well

i know, but its more the problem that this pc i kinda crappy, and getting it there and all that wouldn't really work out, so any pedals people use for SS?

[Samcoma]

i know, but its more the problem that this pc i kinda crappy, and getting it there and all that wouldn't really work out, so any pedals people use for SS?
None really mate that can give that kind of gain, dirt or definition. Combination of a good already driven amp and a decent pedal may get you close.

[brinstar]

I don't like what downtuned guitars represent.

:wtf:

hmmmm

[Mikos]

When the "piano solo" type bit comes in (the bit where the lyrics are "this is the last time I'll abandon you and this is the last time I'll forget you ... I wish I could") does anyone know whats happening with the synth in the background? The sheet music has the piano/simple part to it but there is definitely some sort of synth in the background also, kinda sounds like a staggered or mixed arpeggio but I don't know how to work it out :(

[Matthijs]

I was wondering, for the synth track (hoping there's more synthy players out there), what you'd need to program.
With my korg triton LE i can set different zones using 2 arpeggio patterns (so in this case probably low register for up, high for down), but I have no idea how to set the arpegiator to do the altering part. Any suggestions?

[milkybar=]]

I was wondering, for the synth track (hoping there's more synthy players out there), what you'd need to program.
With my korg triton LE i can set different zones using 2 arpeggio patterns (so in this case probably low register for up, high for down), but I have no idea how to set the arpegiator to do the altering part. Any suggestions?

I managed to do it on my Roland Juno, and i did it using step recording?

Is the an equivalent of literally just inputting the notes and them playing back as that order?

Or isn't there a way to just make the arpeggiator play the same rhythm but with different chords, but backwards (for the second part)?

[Phill]

I only have soft synth experience, but couldn't you change the arp pattern to descending at the right time?

[Matthijs]

;5168410']I managed to do it on my Roland Juno, and i did it using step recording?

Is the an equivalent of literally just inputting the notes and them playing back as that order?

Or isn't there a way to just make the arpeggiator play the same rhythm but with different chords, but backwards (for the second part)?

I think i'd need a way to have it play

1 2 3 4 2 3 4 1 3 4 1 2 (etc) with the rising octaves

currently i can only manage to 'bliss' it :p

[Phill]

I think i'd need a way to have it play

1 2 3 4 2 3 4 1 3 4 1 2 (etc) with the rising octaves

currently i can only manage to 'bliss' it :p

ah i get you. i guess it has to be sequenced or played 'manually'

[Matthijs]

well I don't mind hitting the chords, but i can't play the arpeggio at the same time as playing the piano bits :p

[Phill]

well I don't mind hitting the chords, but i can't play the arpeggio at the same time as playing the piano bits :p

ahhh ok, fair enough. didn't realise you were multi tasking

[milkybar=]]

ah, so you need to create an arpeggio for that rhythm then, the 1 2 3 4 2 3 4...etc rhythm?

is there a like.. arpeggio creator, or a step recorder on the korg?

[Matthijs]

yes there is an arpeggio creater, but my problem is that if would put in different notes the notes would be out of pitch for the next one (because the distance in notes is different for the Fadd2 and Aadd2)

[RustySlide]

yes there is an arpeggio creater, but my problem is that if would put in different notes the notes would be out of pitch for the next one (because the distance in notes is different for the Fadd2 and Aadd2)

Surely you could create multiple patterns, and set it the change patterns as it goes through, there must be some way to sequence it, or at least, as you only have one hand (presumably right) playing the chords, your left hand could trigger the different patterns?

[Matthijs]

mmm nah it's not like the micro korg that it quickly allows pattern changing :( ah well I might give it up and just go backing track if I'm continuing my activities ;)

[milkybar=]]

mmm nah it's not like the micro korg that it quickly allows pattern changing :( ah well I might give it up and just go backing track if I'm continuing my activities ;)

have you got like a chord thing?

like you can input a certain chord, and by pressing the root note it will play that chord?


thats another way you could do it, and then turn on the arpeggiator at the same time, but have different chords inputted?

[Matthijs]

mm no, that's no solution. the arpeggiator is what i'd like to use because i prefer to give my chords as input, and in the 1 2 3 4 2 3 4 1 (etc) sequence.

[~Tom]

Does anyone have the tab for this please?
Here's the video:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0sbN1e0zr8

[whatshisface]

what's special about that version?

[Apoplexia]

what's special about that version?

Twistly kaoss pad

[~Tom]

Yeah... 'Twistly KAOSS pad' :rolleyes:

And not just this version, I'm mainly just looking for the first part.

[Samcoma]

Please use search in future as we have a definitive Stockholm syndrome thread located here (http://board.muse.mu/showthread.php?t=339&page=33&highlight=stockholm+syndrome). :) Pretty sure the question was answered there.

[crazybobbles]

merge

[toff]

lurch

[the_man361]

lurch

uncle fester?

[~Tom]

Be arsed sifting through 33 pages, that's why.

[toff]

uncle fester?

MAKE lT SO

[Samcoma]

Be arsed sifting through 33 pages, that's why.
Then you won't get your answer. Don't make more work for people when the answers already in this thread.

[james90]

You know, you can search inside of threads.

Very useful........

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i87/BlackHolesAndRevelations/uncategorized/americanquestionmark.png

[Xut]

You know, you can search inside of threads.

Very useful........

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i87/BlackHolesAndRevelations/uncategorized/americanquestionmark.png

Quoted for terrible truth...