map of the problematique

[dwydav]

in the live verison released of this, matt is playing the guitar and it sounds like it's being played through a seek wah.. anyone?

[Shatter]

i have a feeling he's rocking the treadle on the whammy set to harmony +1/-1 Oct. sounds right when i do it anyway

[dwydav]

i have a feeling he's rocking the treadle on the whammy set to harmony +1/-1 Oct. sounds right when i do it anyway
ya but it's SO acurate every time.. it sounds more like something arpeggiated..

[donbenjy]

i don't know if matt like analogueness anymore...seems like he's going for digital midi pedals nowadays, which would suggest its the line6?

bet a seek wah would do it though...

[Dramatic Hammer]

It's probably the seek-wah patch on his Line 6 rack filter thingy.

[donbenjy]

oh yeh, they have that dont they :rolleyes:

[Russell]

Sounds more like a seek trem to me. But hey, i could be wrong.

[dwydav]

Sounds more like a seek trem to me. But hey, i could be wrong.
listen to the video on the Zvex ite, I think the seek wah sounds much more like it than the seek trem

[i_love_muse-ic]

easy to recreate, all you need is a whammy, midi cable and cubase. Set the whammy to -1oct and on cubase make a midi track and create 1 blank bar, in the piano roll create a controller lane for CC11 and create the rhythem in that controller lane like this...
http://www.michael-r-j.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/pic.jpg
Then if you just play a C power chord it should sound like this (http://www.michael-r-j.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/whammy.mp3)

[Phill]

:)

[Dramatic Hammer]

easy to recreate, all you need is a whammy, midi cable and cubase. Set the whammy to -1oct and on cubase make a midi track and create 1 blank bar, in the piano roll create a controller lane for CC11 and create the rhythem in that controller lane like this...
http://www.michael-r-j.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/pic.jpg
Then if you just play a C power chord it should sound like this (http://www.michael-r-j.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/whammy.mp3)
There're at least three different 'levels' to the sound though :p.

[rust_relic]

i think its the voice box setting on the line6 filter pro imho

;)

[Jabnit]

ya but it's SO acurate every time.. it sounds more like something arpeggiated..
It's so accurate because it's a mime.

[donbenjy]

wtf? He mimed on the recording also? :rolleyes: Whether its a back track or not, he would have played it at some time or other, and there's usually an artificiality (is that even a word?) to processed sounds :stunned:

[musecasters]

i think its the voice box setting on the line6 filter pro imho

;)
i've tried it and it sounds quite close

[reverendmaynard]

i've tried it and it sounds quite close

really? what settings are you doing?

you can get a close sound with the "obi-wah" setting, you just have to tweak the knobs right and set the speed at a high rate

[musecasters]

really? what settings are you doing?

you can get a close sound with the "obi-wah" setting, you just have to tweak the knobs right and set the speed at a high rate
i might try that as mine is good but not perfect

[Rokit]

do you know if that is the fuzz factorys distortion?

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

do you know if that is the fuzz factorys distortion?

:rolleyes:

No, it's not a Fuzz Factory. Plus a Fuzz Factory is a fuzz, not a distortion, there is a difference believe it or not.

[Rokit]

What is it then?

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

Amp distortion. Which is what Matt uses 99% of the time.

[Rokit]

so thats the dsl's distortion or the diezel because in the video in italy he's using the dsl

[Chaos Is Me!]

so thats the dsl's distortion or the diezel because in the video in italy he's using the dsl
Whatever he used to record the song that was being played back.

[Rokit]

played back? it was a fake!

[james90]

Hahahahaha...dear me. :stunned:

That amp is most likely a JCM 900, you can tell by the small non-bold writing on the face plate...plus, it doesn't have as many knobs. :D

[Rokit]

:eek: matt faking guitar!!!

[james90]

I bet they were forced to, what do you expect from a TV show?

[Chaos Is Me!]

I bet they were forced to, what do you expect from a TV show?
They don't even make it obvious they are miming anymore, I think they've just grown up and seen the bigger picture, conforming=money.

[Monkeychild]

They don't even make it obvious they are miming anymore, I think they've just grown up and seen the bigger picture, conforming=money.

They'll learn soon that prostitution=money...


.. if they ever agree to my pimping offer.

[Lionheart88]

the MTV italy show was half-mimed:
only voice live.

not for money, i think for just one song is too
much to move all the band's stuff...

[Simno]

:eek: matt faking guitar!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA :LOL:

It's all backing tracks matey. Always. Matt just got two midi pad mansons specifically so he could play the new tracks by just wiggling his finger around :p

[dwydav]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA :LOL:

It's all backing tracks matey. Always. Matt just got two midi pad mansons specifically so he could play the new tracks by just wiggling his finger around :p
it's true, he said it himself in an interview no one saw... :yesey:

[Rokit]

could you post that video that no one saw

[Simno]

could you post that video that no one saw

I've seen it, it was doing the rounds on youtube. Matt's basically plays about 20% of the guitar you hear now, if that. I think mostly it's playback.,,

[Adqeruin]

:' )

[Rokit]

:mad:

[Rokit]

simno is that a real manson?

[james90]

http://unofficialmusicsite.com/pics/misc/stfu.jpg


If you're being serious, it is a real (sexy) Manson.

Chrome Boy :D

(hope you don't mind me answering that question, Simno)

[Simno]

http://unofficialmusicsite.com/pics/misc/stfu.jpg


If you're being serious, it is a real (sexy) Manson.

Chrome Boy :D

(hope you don't mind me answering that question, Simno)

No problemo's mate, yep it's a real manson-just to second that. :happy:

[Rokit]

how much was it?

[Monkeychild]

how much was it?

he got it for free.. but he has to be hughs sex slave for the next 80 years... yes.. even if hugh dies, he has to carry on.

[donbenjy]

how much was it?

any luck trying to buy an M1D1 of hugh yet? I already have one in silver and one in red but i'm thinking about selling the red one cos it's just lying in the corner gathering dust :rolleyes:

[Simno]

any luck trying to buy an M1D1 of hugh yet? I already have one in silver and one in red but i'm thinking about selling the red one cos it's just lying in the corner gathering dust :rolleyes:

WEll my chrome one was only £245.00 he'd had it in the shop ages, but it seemed no-one wanted it! Crazy eh!? Nice I didn't know Hugh had made a red one the sneaky devil. I'll buy it off you for a tenner?!

[Simno]

he got it for free.. but he has to be hughs sex slave for the next 80 years... yes.. even if hugh dies, he has to carry on.

Well at least I won't have any trouble getting him hard by this point :LOL:

[Monkeychild]

WEll my chrome one was only £245.00 he'd had it in the shop ages, but it seemed no-one wanted it! Crazy eh!? Nice I didn't know Hugh had made a red one the sneaky devil. I'll buy it off you for a tenner?!

£245!!!!

Does it have all the internal effects or just fake controls on it?

[Monkeychild]

Well at least I won't have any trouble getting him hard by this point :LOL:

From the tightness of my pants whenever i read your posts, i don't think you'd EVER have trouble making someone hard ;)

[Dramatic Hammer]

£245!!!!

Does it have all the internal effects or just fake controls on it?
It's actually only about 6 inches long - a scale replica, if you will...

[Simno]

From the tightness of my pants whenever i read your posts, i don't think you'd EVER have trouble making someone hard ;)

THank you, its good to know I still have it in me. So to speak. OOOH matron! ;)

The thing is made out of a cereal packet some tinfoil and a few rubber bands, if thats what you mean about internal effects. If I make a screeching sound with my mouth and strum it sounds just like a fuzz factory!!!

[Simno]

It's actually only about 6 inches long - a scale replica, if you will...

If only it was that long... :(

:LOL:

[Monkeychild]

THank you, its good to know I still have it in me. So to speak. OOOH matron! ;)

The thing is made out of a cereal packet some tinfoil and a few rubber bands, if thats what you mean about internal effects. If I make a screeching sound with my mouth and strum it sounds just like a fuzz factory!!!

So t's like a giant harmonica? That you strum... and don't play with your mouth... and not like a harminica?

[Simno]

So t's like a giant harmonica? That you strum... and don't play with your mouth... and not like a harminica?

Thats completely right. I actually hire my backstage crew to play fender squiers in the background. Just like my idol matt. (I'm not stupid, I know he doesn't have WIRES coming out of his guitars to the amps ;) )

[jimknight]

easy to recreate, all you need is a whammy, midi cable and cubase. Set the whammy to -1oct and on cubase make a midi track and create 1 blank bar, in the piano roll create a controller lane for CC11 and create the rhythem in that controller lane like this...
http://www.michael-r-j.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/pic.jpg
Then if you just play a C power chord it should sound like this (http://www.michael-r-j.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/whammy.mp3)

Your KOC cover is awesome, the vocals are great.

[Rokit]

would you ever sell it

[Shatter]

I'd sell mine - but no one can really afford it round here

Then again maybe I wouldn't I dunno

[coffee_and_tv]

I'd sell mine - but no one can really afford it round here

Then again maybe I wouldn't I dunno
oh good god your sig is sexy :happy:

[Shatter]

Aww yay thankies *enjoys appreciation*

The Manson likes you now :D

[Rokit]

sweet

[Simno]

Aww yay thankies *enjoys appreciation*

The Manson likes you now :D

I want to see the un cropped version of your sig, with presumably whole neck and headstock pictured?!

[musecasters]

I'd sell mine - but no one can really afford it round here

Then again maybe I wouldn't I dunno

don't sell it!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_R1C7oYa9I

plays nice! don't worry, this was before you bought it :)

[coffee_and_tv]

Aww yay thankies *enjoys appreciation*

The Manson likes you now :D
hurrah!

i'd have to say that your shatter and simno's chrome are the sexiest bellamy copies i've ever seen.

[Rokit]

not replicas

[Shatter]

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-7/1197773/DSCF0365.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-7/1197773/DSCF0367.JPG

[Bl44t44p]

It looks better in your sig :$ Love it tho :happy:

[james90]

*drools*

Why does it look different in the new pics though?..Looks as if you haven't polished it in a while. (or is that just a reflection of something?)

Oh well, it still looks great ;)

[Rokit]

how much would you sell it for

[dwydav]

how much would you sell it for
your mother's virginity.. and we all know that ain't happening ;) ay boys?

just messing

I think Musecasters should make a replica of the new black manson!!! :'(

[Shatter]

yeah I dont know why it came out blurred :$

It's been polished so must have been a weird reflection

and as for selling, well I dunno. I'd have to see what offers I got. I'm looking for around 2000 tho

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

and as for selling, well I dunno. I'd have to see what offers I got. I'm looking for around 2000 tho

I'll give you 2000 peanuts for it :)

[musecasters]

your mother's virginity.. and we all know that ain't happening ;) ay boys?

just messing

I think Musecasters should make a replica of the new black manson!!! :'(

so do i...but i'm skint, so it's not happening for a few years :$

[Shatter]

would you ever do a commisioned musecaster for anyone if they asked you?

[musecasters]

would you ever do a commisioned musecaster for anyone if they asked you?
i've been asked a few times, but i cannot, as it is a copyrighted design, if i made and sold a MOC i could be in a lot of trouble from mansons & muse :stunned:

[Simno]

i've been asked a few times, but i cannot, as it is a copyrighted design, if i made and sold a MOC i could be in a lot of trouble from mansons & muse :stunned:

Pedro will come around with his gringo's and go all mexican on you're arse. :LOL:

[musecasters]

Pedro will come around with his gringo's and go all mexican on you're arse. :LOL:
bummed by the big man....:$ not for me :LOL:

[Rokit]

does anyone know how that line6 pro thing can replicate a seek wah? the zvex thing has all of those knobs and the line6 doesnt

[donbenjy]

are you really serious?! I suggest you actually READ about all this gear people talk about, rather than google image searching something and asknig stupid questions about how they work. The line6 filter pro or whatever it is, is a digital modelling device, and they all work in the same way: stored patches that you pre-program in...so you set all the parameters one after another for the seek wah. And no, modellings is nowhere near as goodas the an analogue pedal. now PLEASE stop asking stupid questions that are easily answerable elsewhere if you did a little research into it before posting! :rolleyes:

[reverendmaynard]

the seeker on the FM4 does have the same controls you would find on a zvex seek wah

Freq: controls the filter pattern. selects the range of the pattern of sequenced wah filter positions.

Q: is the stop and is the width of the filter

Speed "as on the original, controls the rate (time) that it takes to cycle through the filter"

Mode sets the number of filter steps in the sequence. The Seek Wah lets you choose 4,6, 8. The Seeker allows any choice from 2 to 9 steps.

most of that came from the Line 6 booklet on the FM4 but they tried very hard to give you what the Seek Wah has.

I still think map of the problematique is not a seek wah it's probably not even the fm4 the only thing that comes close to sounding like it is the "obi wah" filter effect on the FM4. it's a voltage controlled filter matt probably used some high end expensive gear to get the sound so none of his 14 year old wannabe fans can copy him.. except we all know he basically copied enjoy the silence

[Rokit]

i dont think you have to get so fucking pissed at me you asshole. I think a forum is for QUESTIONS you dick

[donbenjy]

:confused: the forum is NOT for questions like "where's the FAQ page?" or "pop tarts of marshall" :rolleyes: Im fed up of stupid questions, and I'm sorry if it seems harsh when you do ask senisible questions, but you're just gonna have to redeem yourself cos most people here are pissed off. That's the end of this discussion now, I'm not gonna get into some internet arguement with an american kid, and if you make some silly comeback, I'm gonna ignore it so I wouldn't bother.

[james90]

:confused: the forum is NOT for questions like "where's the FAQ page?" or "pop tarts of marshall" :rolleyes: Im fed up of stupid questions, and I'm sorry if it seems harsh when you do ask senisible questions, but you're just gonna have to redeem yourself cos most people here are pissed off. That's the end of this discussion now, I'm not gonna get into some internet arguement with an american kid, and if you make some silly comeback, I'm gonna ignore it so I wouldn't bother.

So that means you won't argue with me either? :( :p

[donbenjy]

sorry man! Spread the love :p i'll argue if you disagree with me on something?!

[DominicHoward]

it's just been on top gear :*)

[jimknight]

easy to recreate, all you need is a whammy, midi cable and cubase. Set the whammy to -1oct and on cubase make a midi track and create 1 blank bar, in the piano roll create a controller lane for CC11 and create the rhythem in that controller lane like this...
http://www.michael-r-j.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/pic.jpg
Then if you just play a C power chord it should sound like this (http://www.michael-r-j.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/whammy.mp3)

Dude how do i do this with FL Studio?

[AstroPenguin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP3CE7jCtlQ

this kid is using a flange pedal effect, it sounds kinda like it

[Bchbiker16]

only for like the first strum

[james90]

great bumping post..

This thread reminds me of what a twat rockit was...ahh, memories.

oh wait..

sorry man! Spread the love :p i'll argue if you disagree with me on something?!

Spread the love? aww *pats you on the back in a totally non-gay way* :p

[Bchbiker16]

haha those were the days:$

[james90]

I still burn with desire for him...

[Dramatic Hammer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP3CE7jCtlQ

this kid is using a flange pedal effect, it sounds kinda like it

Pretty much any 'stepped' effect will sound a bit like it.

[Bchbiker16]

i think this is a good time to team up and hold matt bellamy hostage untill we find out what it actually is

[Bchbiker16]

does anyone have a pic of the m1d1 that shows what knobs controll the kaoss pad?

[donbenjy]

what knobs? to my knowledge, there arn't any! just the actual pad, and the hold button :S

[Bchbiker16]

well i wasnt sure cuz in the videos matt always is turnin his knobs while strumming, but im sure its the pickup selector

[Adqeruin]

Matt uses the volume knob a lot during shows :)

[Simno]

Matt uses the volume knob a lot during shows :)
Uhuh he does...
I've never seen him use the tone knob, but I'm pretty sure he also uses the piezo vol. as well on a few tracks... older performances of new born for example.

As for MOTP.. I've posted before somewhere that it seems to be some midi controlled effect, I'm almost certain thats why he always uses the M1D1 for it. I found a very similar sound on my kaoss pad but the rhythm of the "chopping" sound is just not quite right. But the M1D1 is programmed to control other pedals than just the Kaoss so it could quite likely be that. Its certainly no switch/knob usage.

Am also pretty sure the signal switches from being harmonised an octave down on the whammy on the single note bit (when the bass plays the clean riff) to an octave up on the heavier distorted chord progression bit.

[Bchbiker16]

did they say what effect it was?

[ninjedd]

to anyone wanting to know what he uses, i just discovered this website which i consider pure gold http://musewiki.org/Guitar_Effects

[Monkeychild]

to anyone wanting to know what he uses, i just discovered this website which i consider pure gold http://musewiki.org/Guitar_Effects

er, yeh, well done.

it's not really discovered is it... chances are its on every link page of every muse site.

[coffee_and_tv]

Uhuh he does...
I've never seen him use the tone knob, but I'm pretty sure he also uses the piezo vol. as well on a few tracks... older performances of new born for example.


the whammy-ised feedback stuff before in your world at hullabaloo. the low pitched sounding stuff was with the tone knob on 0... or full... whichever clips the most treble :stunned:

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

easy to recreate, all you need is a whammy, midi cable and cubase. Set the whammy to -1oct and on cubase make a midi track and create 1 blank bar, in the piano roll create a controller lane for CC11 and create the rhythem in that controller lane like this...
http://www.michael-r-j.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/pic.jpg
Then if you just play a C power chord it should sound like this (http://www.michael-r-j.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/whammy.mp3)

Just given this a go, regardless of whether it sounds like MOTP, it's really cool, especially if you wanted to get a dancey rythym thing going on in your songs.

[Raurie]

Just given this a go, regardless of whether it sounds like MOTP, it's really cool, especially if you wanted to get a dancey rythym thing going on in your songs.

Any chance of an example of this in action? Also how would you go about synchronising the start of you playing with the start of the control cycle in cubase.I don't know the proper terms and have a fairly basic grasp of MIDI stuff but I mean something like could you link something up (like the "on" switch on the whammy) so that when you stomp on it it presses play in Cubase?

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

Any chance of an example of this in action? Also how would you go about synchronising the start of you playing with the start of the control cycle in cubase.I don't know the proper terms and have a fairly basic grasp of MIDI stuff but I mean something like could you link something up (like the "on" switch on the whammy) so that when you stomp on it it presses play in Cubase?

I wasn't using Cubase, I'm using a hardware sequencer thing, with that I can hook up a footswitch and start and stop the sequence as I please. I don't think it's possible to use the Whammy's bypass switch to start/stop, that would involve a MIDI out on the Whammy.

I'll try recording something if I get a chance.

[Splinter]

Can this effect be recreated by using pedals? I'm thinking of buying a Boss DD-3 or DD-5 to create this effect and maybe use it in the hysteria solo. Is it possible with that pedal or not? Or is it better to buy a Digitech whammy?

[kuz]

:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

none of those pedals will do the effect ;) you need some sort of sequenced sample&hold filter...

cheapest thing that'll get close is the Digitech Hyperphase.

[Splinter]

:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

none of those pedals will do the effect ;) you need some sort of sequenced sample&hold filter...

cheapest thing that'll get close is the Digitech Hyperphase.

Thnx for laughing @ me...

[Dramatic Hammer]

Thnx for laughing @ me...

Well you did suggest delay pedals - if you'd read the thread then you'd know how silly that sounds ;)!

[Splinter]

All sorts of terms are used here that im not familiar with, so I'm sorry for suggesting a delay pedal.

[Dramatic Hammer]

All sorts of terms are used here that im not familiar with, so I'm sorry for suggesting a delay pedal.

Have a read of this: FX Guide (http://monkeyfx.co.uk/fxguide.html) - it should clear a few things up :) .

[Monkeychild]

So, with sequencer programs and that, can i rig up a midi pedal to run through a laptop, use a program to manipulate the effect and then play that through my guitar? s as to extend the uses of what I have. Or would it be purely for a recording thing?

[Splinter]

Have a read of this: FX Guide (http://monkeyfx.co.uk/fxguide.html) - it should clear a few things up :) .

Thnx for that :happy:

Edit: :LOL: That's even funny to ready if you do know what the effects mean!

[coffee_and_tv]

i love monkeys :D

[integral]

If you have a PodXT, and the Effects expansion pack, you can use the Random S/H effect. The key is setting it to PRE i.e. pre-distortion. Sounds quite good.

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

can i rig up a midi pedal to run through a laptop, use a program to manipulate the effect and then play that through my guitar? s as to extend the uses of what I have.

:yesey:

In that situation, MIDI is just like an extra set of hands manipulating your effects for you :)

[ninjedd]

by discovered, i ment i'd never seen it before :LOL: any tips for a guy whos completely clueless about midi and wants to start using it?

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

by discovered, i ment i'd never seen it before :LOL: any tips for a guy whos completely clueless about midi and wants to start using it?

What do you want MIDI to do?

Judging by your question, you really are clueless :LOL:

[ninjedd]

yeh haha! well, i have a korg kaoss pad 2, and a behringer v-amp 2, and i recently bought a midi cable, so i could plug the vamp into my computer, and possibly use cubase SX3 (which i managed to... 'find') to create a map of the problematic type effect, among others. also, if possible, i want to try to use my kp to control my vamp, but im not sure if that can be done

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

yeh haha! well, i have a korg kaoss pad 2, and a behringer v-amp 2, and i recently bought a midi cable, so i could plug the vamp into my computer, and possibly use cubase SX3 (which i managed to... 'find') to create a map of the problematic type effect, among others. also, if possible, i want to try to use my kp to control my vamp, but im not sure if that can be done

I'm not to sure about that, I don't have a Kaoss Pad unfortunately, one day though, when is the new one out?

If the Vamp has a MIDI In and you've got a way of connecting the MIDI cable to your computer, then it's pretty simple, just connect then, then read the Vamp's manual to find out which channels and stuff does what. Like CC000 controls the bypass on a Whammy, CC011 controls the expression pedal.

MIDI is more simple than it seems at first.

[ninjedd]

kl thanks, i think its out now, if not then soon, looks good!

[Simno]

I'm not to sure about that, I don't have a Kaoss Pad unfortunately, one day though, when is the new one out?

If the Vamp has a MIDI In and you've got a way of connecting the MIDI cable to your computer, then it's pretty simple, just connect then, then read the Vamp's manual to find out which channels and stuff does what. Like CC000 controls the bypass on a Whammy, CC011 controls the expression pedal.

MIDI is more simple than it seems at first.


New one's out. I have a KP2 and they really are a laugh, though the new ones look epic!!!!! :eek:

Best thing about them is you can use ANY ;) appendage to control the touch screen.. if you follow my drift :p

[coffee_and_tv]

New one's out. I have a KP2 and they really are a laugh, though the new ones look epic!!!!! :eek:

Best thing about them is you can use ANY ;) appendage to control the touch screen.. if you follow my drift :p

:LOL: classy, simno, classy :p

[Simno]

:LOL: classy, simno, classy :p

:cool: Always

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

New one's out. I have a KP2 and they really are a laugh, though the new ones look epic!!!!! :eek:

Best thing about them is you can use ANY ;) appendage to control the touch screen.. if you follow my drift :p

Just done a bit of research, the KP3 should be out next month and the only price I've seen so far is £315.
The fact that you can hook it up to a PC to load samples seems cool, just because I want an excuse to be a pretentious twat and turn up to gigs with a laptop. And it cuts up samples :D

[Simno]

Just done a bit of research, the KP3 should be out next month and the only price I've seen so far is £315.
The fact that you can hook it up to a PC to load samples seems cool, just because I want an excuse to be a pretentious twat and turn up to gigs with a laptop. And it cuts up samples :D

Oooh I thought it was already out.... hmmm give me a year and it will be on me christmas list methinks! I've been writing a fair bit of stuff of late thats a bit sample oriented so that could be damned cool!

three hundred and fifteen notes is a bit much though :eek:

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

Hopefully when somewhere like GAK starts selling it, it'll be a bit cheaper to get hold of.

But I think I know what's on my christmas list this year :LOL:

[Simno]

Hopefully when somewhere like GAK starts selling it, it'll be a bit cheaper to get hold of.

But I think I know what's on my christmas list this year :LOL:

ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[Bchbiker16]

evolver with guitar through

http://www.dsisynth.com/Sounds/Roger/evolver05.mp3

[Hypnotize]

three hundred and fifteen notes is a bit much though :eek:


more like 17

[Bchbiker16]

any news on what matt uses for the step effect?

[Marvolo]

get out

[Bchbiker16]

get out of my house or get out of my chair?

[Funguy]

tab book says distortion with step-flange 16 beat/min
digitechs stereo flange seems to be capable of doing it - http://www.digitech.com/products/xseriesflash/TurboFlange.html

[Jabnit]

tab book says distortion with step-flange 16 beat/min
digitechs stereo flange seems to be capable of doing it - http://www.digitech.com/products/xseriesflash/TurboFlange.html
Yeah I was looking at that last week. It defo looks and sounds as if it will do the trick!

[Funguy]

Yeah I was looking at that last week. It defo looks and sounds as if it will do the trick!

yup might go test out the stereo flanger next time i go into brighton or Eastbourne with my mate.

[Phill]

hmm i don't think it's anything like what is used in MotP. The only similarity would be the step sequence factor, but there is a lot more going on in MotP.

[Funguy]

hmm i don't think it's anything like what is used in MotP. The only similarity would be the step sequence factor, but there is a lot more going on in MotP.

the step function seems to give the required rythum (sp?) needed. the nyou add extra effects on top.

[Phill]

yeah, the octave changes, you could set a whammy with a midi sequence like someone on here has done.

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

yeah, the octave changes, you could set a whammy with a midi sequence like someone on here has done.

It's definately something like that, might be some kind of step pitchshifter plug-in, they are out there.

But it's blatently not a flanger :LOL: you musers crack me up sometimes :LOL:

[Jabnit]

yeah, the octave changes, you could set a whammy with a midi sequence like someone on here has done.
Yeah I was messing around with my mates Whammy and the effect was great but I couldn't do the on/off rhythm with my foot lol


But it's blatently not a flanger
True but the Digitech Flanger gives you the rhythm. Using distortion and reducing the 'flangy knob (whatever) may help :erm:

[Funguy]

It's definately something like that, might be some kind of step pitchshifter plug-in, they are out there.

But it's blatently not a flanger :LOL: you musers crack me up sometimes :LOL:

it seems to fit if you set it to step.

[Jabnit]

it seems to fit if you set it to step.
Yeah, the Depth knob could then be used to reduce the flange you hear on that demo :erm:

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

it seems to fit if you set it to step.

Well anything with a sequencer will fit then :rolleyes:

It's just pitchshifting.

[Bchbiker16]

i remember seeing a video of that with in a motp cover and it sounded really bad

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

i remember seeing a video of that with in a motp cover and it sounded really bad

Matt's guitar sounds really awful in MOTP as well.

[Bchbiker16]

yeh i no but the digitech's step is way off from motp. you might as well just play without it

[Phill]

Matt's guitar sounds really awful in MOTP as well.

in MOTP? ;)

[Ash]

in MOTP? ;)

:LOL:

[Bchbiker16]

:pope:

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

in MOTP? ;)

:LOL:

[Matthijs]

My best bet is a tremelo with flange.... or something like the seek wah by zvex (which has already been discussed too many times in this topic)

[Funguy]

I'm really tempted to go to Gak or bonners and experiment with the range of pedals they have until i find the sound.

[Jabnit]

yeh i no but the digitech's step is way off from motp. you might as well just play without it
Then you just ajust the step tempo, right?

[Bchbiker16]

you could but the beat of the guitar in motp doesnt just go on and off like the digitech flager does. matt effect has a distinct rhythem

[Funguy]

you could but the beat of the guitar in motp doesnt just go on and off like the digitech flager does. matt effect has a distinct rhythem

you heard the demo for the pedal yet?

[Bchbiker16]

yeh why

[Funguy]

the rythum to the step works with it.

[Marvolo]

rhythm*

[Funguy]

rhythm*

cheers!

[Jabnit]

the rythum to the step works with it.
You mean you've listened to the song and demo at the same time? :D

Well it does say "step flange" in the tab book. What other "step flange" do we know of? The writers of the book must have achieved the sound somehow

I just listened to the demo of that pedal again and it does sound right. It's just the chords that are being stroke out of time.

[kuz]

You mean you've listened to the song and demo at the same time? :D

Well it does say "step flange" in the tab book. What other "step flange" do we know of? The writers of the book must have achieved the sound somehow

I just listened to the demo of that pedal again and it does sound right. It's just the chords that are being stroke out of time.
:rolleyes: the writers of that book wrote step-flange clearly with the digitech turbo flange or whatever it is in mind, probably because it's the pedal they used that got the closest sound.

i have two step-style phasers that can both pretty much nail the sound. basically any sample-and-hold stepping style filter will give you a decent enough sound - ooh- or seek-wah will be close enough too.

[Funguy]

yeah I've listened to the dem owith map playing and it seems to fit. but not all step functions are good. the one on a Zoom GFX-1 isn't shite. I've tried it on my GFX-1 and it untweekable really. you get strong shifts but out of time or right timing (really) with weak shifts.

[shuggy_r]

theres a line 6 liqua flange as well on the go that has a step flange effect on it but i dunno if it will fit the bill


when i watched muse on jools holland matt was turning something on a grey box after strumming each chord and theres definately a whammy hamonising an octave above in there somewhere

[OD-Musik]

I've got a GT 6 with a step phaser. It's a bitch to play with, I'll try and get a MOTP thing

[Bchbiker16]

has anyone heard of the future retro mobius? its a step sequencer that can control pretty much anything. would it be possible to route guitar through it?

[Jabnit]

Found something that might intrest you guys. It's a demo of the Digitech Flanger set to Step-Flange (as we discussed). The guy seems to get carried away and strum to fast but...

:eek: It sounds pretty good!

Map Of The Problematique INTRO EFFECT DEMO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP3CE7jCtlQ)

[Phill]

not really anything like it though is it really :LOL:

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

not really anything like it though is it really :LOL:

Nope. Just get a whammy and a MIDI Sequencer, sounds dead on and you look pretentious as fuck at the same time :cool:

[Bchbiker16]

Nope. Just get a whammy and a MIDI Sequencer, sounds dead on and you look pretentious as fuck at the same time :cool:

you should make a demo of it

[Jabnit]

not really anything like it though is it really :LOL:
:D No

But for £80 or so...

What If you were to use a Whammy at +1oct too?

[Phill]

-1 and +1 i think it dances around a bit. if you used a midi sequencer with that set up right then there's no need for the pointless flange sequencer because there is no flange in that song :LOL:

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

you should make a demo of it

I may do if I can be bothered, right now, I can't.

I'm amazed when people here want, say a whammy, and can't tell when one is being used, same goes for the Fuzz Factory.

[Phill]

this (http://www.michael-r-j.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/whammy.mp3)

There's a demo posted earlier in the thread, i think it sounds close than any of that flange shit.

edit: ok the file is no longer valid

[Funguy]

i can't see how we can work this effect out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2mEx49bLVs&mode=related&search=

[Funguy]

I've got a GT 6 with a step phaser. It's a bitch to play with, I'll try and get a MOTP thing

my mate has one of those. there's a effect on that that is close. I should really piss around on it and work it out.

[Cyfo_Diaz]

I may do if I can be bothered, right now, I can't.

I'm amazed when people here want, say a whammy, and can't tell when one is being used, same goes for the Fuzz Factory.

agreed.:rolleyes:
i jus use the -1/+1 setting on the wham wit a bit of delay, sounds ok

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

i can't see how we can work this effect out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2mEx49bLVs&mode=related&search=

I think he hits a harmonic at the start, or maybe feedback.

I think it's more obvious there that it's a pitchshifter than anything I've seen, listen to all the different notes before he starts playing the chords...

[Jabnit]

Okay, so I understand that the Kaoss Pad 2 does have some sequencer effects built in. Have any of you actually read the pads features? It looks to me as if this effect is simply achieved from the Koass Pas to me. Has anyone on here actually got a Kaoss Pad?

"You’re in Sync with Special BPM Effects
Sync delay time or the LFO of modulation effects such as pan, phaser or flanger to the beat with the KP2’s 20 specially programmed BPM effects. You can use the Auto BPM function to detect the speed of an input source, adjust the BPM manually, tap in the tempo yourself, or even sync the KP2 to incoming MIDI Clock messages. Eight new BPM patterns can be triggered from the touch pad, allowing rhythm and bass synth patterns to be played, perfectly synchronized to the BPM.

Sampling with Effects
Plug into the KP2’s audio input and sample up to six seconds of sound at 44.1 kHz. The KP2 has two sample keys for a total of twelve seconds of sampling. Run the samples through the KP2’s effects. Or you can process a sound through the effects and then sample it. Use the touch pad to apply time-stretch, reverse-playback, pitch shift, or scratch effects to the samples for unlimited creative possibilities."

Makes sense to me :erm:

EDIT: Have you not noticed that Matt always seems to use a MIDI guitar (ie. the new black manson, the new cracked mirror with the x/y pads?)

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

Si has a Kaoss Pad and has tried this, no matter what he did, he couldn't get anything dead on and I think he was still using +1oct harmony on a Whammy.

So in conclusion, it's not a Kaoss Pad :)

The thing is, we don't really know what is in Matt's rack anymore, there's been no good pics of it. Plus, Jonny Greenwood runs his guitar through a laptop for certain effects, yet you don't see one on stage...and Matt's Whammies are in his rack and you can't see what is hooked up to them.

[Funguy]

dam modern effects setup.

[Adqeruin]

'custom' designed digital MIDI effect for matt ?

[Raurie]

If you listen to the live versions you can hear the sound glitching just like the whammy does when you play chords through it...pointless information really given that you've already decided what the effect is! :LOL:

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

If you listen to the live versions you can hear the sound glitching just like the whammy does when you play chords through it...pointless information really given that you've already decided what the effect is! :LOL:

I'm amazed when people here want, say a whammy, and can't tell when one is being used, same goes for the Fuzz Factory.

;) :)

[Raurie]

;) :)

As in I know when one's used or I don't. A gentleman's wink is a difficult to read ;)

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

As in I know when one's used or I don't. A gentleman's wink is a difficult to read ;)

;) as in you know, just it's amusing people think it's something else.

[Bchbiker16]

looky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIBt9khDfsg)

[Funguy]

looky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIBt9khDfsg)

nice.
mate of mine who works at bonners and is very into music says it could ba an arpeggiator(sp?)

[Raurie]

looky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIBt9khDfsg)

There we go then, just staple gun one of those to your guitar ad bingo!
Surely this can be put to bed now: sequenced whammy effects on the guitar and it's most likely a synth backing.

[Bchbiker16]

can you route a guitar through an ms2000br?

[Raurie]

can you route a guitar through an ms2000br?

Why would you want to?

[mranonimouse]

Plus, Jonny Greenwood runs his guitar through a laptop for certain effects, yet you don't see one on stage...

I thought it was quite obvious to see the Greenwoods laptop on stage. He has it on the table full of synths and gadgets.


Anyway, I saw one of the techs with a laptop near Matts rack at Eden. Its possible that was providing sequencing duties / changing presets.

[Bchbiker16]

so you could mix the synth sound and the guitar sound together somehow???

[mranonimouse]

Oh yeah... Not sure if its been mentioned but..

The Roger Linn Addrenalinn has got programmable pitch shifting sequencing abilites, and will sync with midi clock. And its a pedal. So that will do the whole Whammy / sequencer thing without the computers.

Its also got all sorts of step flanges, step filters, and various other forms of step.

I bet it can nail the effect. Maybe one day I will play around with mine.

[Raurie]

so you could mix the synth sound and the guitar sound together somehow???

That'd be no different to Chris running his bass through Matt's piano or any other hilariously impractical and pointless combinations. All you'd do is have the synth running into a PA as you would with any other instrument and mix the various tracks there. It's not an effects pedal/processor, it's an instrument in it's own right.

[Funguy]

i thin ksomething like the roland GR-20 or the V synth ( i think it's called that) has the effect.

[Bchbiker16]

That'd be no different to Chris running his bass through Matt's piano or any other hilariously impractical and pointless combinations. All you'd do is have the synth running into a PA as you would with any other instrument and mix the various tracks there. It's not an effects pedal/processor, it's an instrument in it's own right.

well thats how they made the guitar in stockholm syndrome dude

edit- and it is an effecs proccessor also

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

well thats how they made the guitar in stockholm syndrome dude

edit- and it is an effecs proccessor also

Actually, that's not what they did for Stockholm Syndrome.

They used a piece of software to mix together the sound of a distorted guitar and a synth. Hysteria is a mixture of a synth and a distorted bass.

I do get sick of repeating that constantly, especially when Rich Costey and Muse have said it themselves in interviews.

[Raurie]

A synth isn't an effects processor in the same way that a guitar multi-fx is which I suspect is how you were talking about using one. Like Haze says SS was made by combining 2 separate tracks, not by somehow plugging a guitar into a synth.

[Funguy]

A synth isn't an effects processor in the same way that a guitar multi-fx is which I suspect is how you were talking about using one. Like Haze says SS was made by combining 2 separate tracks, not by somehow plugging a guitar into a synth.

there are guitar synths you can buy. Roland GR-20 or VG-88 (i think that's what they are) all you need is a GK3 undivided pickup which i know you can get for free with the GR-20

[Raurie]

there are guitar synths you can buy. Roland GR-20 or VG-88 (i think that's what they are) all you need is a GK3 undivided pickup which i know you can get for free with the GR-20

Fair enough, I don't know enough about guitar synths to comment really but I'm guessing they differ a fair bit from the Korg in that video (and whatever's used on the recording).

[Funguy]

Fair enough, I don't know enough about guitar synths to comment really but I'm guessing they differ a fair bit from the Korg in that video (and whatever's used on the recording).

i was looking into it a few months back, interested n getting one but i never got too much i just know that they're synths for guitar.

[Jabnit]

Korg MX3000G ?

[Dramatic Hammer]

I think he hits a harmonic at the start, or maybe feedback.

I think it's more obvious there that it's a pitchshifter than anything I've seen, listen to all the different notes before he starts playing the chords...

Fuzz + filter does that.... The filter emphasises different harmonics in the fuzz tone, which are already massively emphasised by the fuzz.

[Jabnit]

So does the Line 6 Filter do this?

[kuz]

So does the Line 6 Filter do this?

maybe, though it'd have to be using the Ooh-Wah setting.

seriously, i've said it all along; some sort of stepping filter will get you close enough. Zvex Ooh-Wah, Digitech Hyperphase, Digitech Turboflange all give you that (so does my Prophecysound Infinitphase, but it's pretty unlikely that you'd be able to find one anywhere).

[Jabnit]

maybe, though it'd have to be using the Ooh-Wah setting.

seriously, i've said it all along; some sort of stepping filter will get you close enough. Zvex Ooh-Wah, Digitech Hyperphase, Digitech Turboflange all give you that (so does my Prophecysound Infinitphase, but it's pretty unlikely that you'd be able to find one anywhere).
+1 with the recommended pedals! Using a sequencer with a whammy just seems to be more money and hassle to me. Atleast I've heard the Digitech Flanger and it sounds great. Surely if you use that with loads of distortion you wouldn't even here the flange depth so much. I have a phaser and when the depth is low and I use distortion you can only just tell it's a phaser.

I think I should go to Birmingham soon and try out some pedals :yesey:

[ninjedd]

So the conclusion is that all you need is a whammy pedal and a midi sequencer is it? can anyone recommend one of each that gives teh best effect?

[Raurie]

So the conclusion is that all you need is a whammy pedal and a midi sequencer is it? can anyone recommend one of each that gives teh best effect?

Seeing as the sound comes through the pedal and not the sequencer it won't make a difference which one you choose. And you'd need a WH4 because of the MIDI in function.

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

Fuzz + filter does that.... The filter emphasises different harmonics in the fuzz tone, which are already massively emphasised by the fuzz.

Can't argue with that, but it's not a filter in MOTP.

What the hell do some people mean 'any' step effect will get you close enough? So the step delay effect I have will get the sound? :rolleyes:
What about a step distortion? step ring mod? step compressor?

You'd probably get closer just using a Digitech Whammy on the +/-1 harmony and using your foot to get the rhythm than using 'any' step effect.

[Jabnit]

You'd probably get closer just using a Digitech Whammy on the +/-1 harmony and using your foot to get the rhythm than using 'any' step effect.
True. I can get a decent effect rocking back and forth on my mates whammy pedal but I must be honest and say it gets very tiring and unaccurate after a while :LOL:

But for those of you who have no access to neither a whammy or a sequencer, it does seem a little bit of an expensive buy just to do the intro to a song. This is why I would rather settle with a simple pedal, such as the Digitech Flanger or just fuck it and keep to the whammy. I don't like the idea of attaching another pedal to my board just to do one song in my position tbh.

[kuz]

What the hell do some people mean 'any' step effect will get you close enough? So the step delay effect I have will get the sound? :rolleyes:
What about a step distortion? step ring mod? step compressor?

seriously, i've said it all along; some sort of stepping filter will get you close enough.

where did anyone say anything about 'any' step effect? :confused:

[kuz]

True. I can get a decent effect rocking back and forth on my mates whammy pedal but I must be honest and say it gets very tiring and unaccurate after a while :LOL:

But for those of you who have no access to neither a whammy or a sequencer, it does seem a little bit of an expensive buy just to do the intro to a song. This is why I would rather settle with a simple pedal, such as the Digitech Flanger or just fuck it and keep to the whammy. I don't like the idea of attaching another pedal to my board just to do one song in my position tbh.

especially if it's just some band's song, not a song of your own :erm:

[Jabnit]

especially if it's just some band's song, not a song of your own :erm:
Yeah. I was obsessed with this effect scince I heard the song and looked into it. Now I look back and think, "what a n00b / Matt-wanabe". Not that intrested anymore. I can wait.

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

But for those of you who have no access to neither a whammy or a sequencer, it does seem a little bit of an expensive buy just to do the intro to a song. This is why I would rather settle with a simple pedal, such as the Digitech Flanger or just fuck it and keep to the whammy. I don't like the idea of attaching another pedal to my board just to do one song in my position tbh.

Yeah, you can only use a sequencer and a whammy for one song :rolleyes:
And yeah, you can only use a sequencer when it's hooked up to a whammy :rolleyes:

Plus the effect in MOTP isn't that important to the song, you can live without it if you wanted to cover it, as the guitar is pretty much in the background throughout the whole song, even the little lead line at the start is played by Chris live.

[Raurie]

You don't have to be a Matt wannabe to want to recreate these effects. Surely you must find some interest in reverse engineering/recreating them if only because they can give you ideas for your own hideously original music/endless Muse covers. It's like the sort of people that take an engine apart just to see how it works and then rebuild it for the sake of it, it's to expand your understanding. From the sounds of things we're looking at this from two very different angles: From what you've said you're interested in being able to cover this song/impress friends with it because you're after the sound (hence the "this is close enough without spending money") wheras I'm more interested in the method and the potential with MIDI and sequencers etc.

[Jabnit]

Yeah, you can only use a sequencer and a whammy for one song :rolleyes:
And yeah, you can only use a sequencer when it's hooked up to a whammy :rolleyes:

Plus the effect in MOTP isn't that important to the song, you can live without it if you wanted to cover it, as the guitar is pretty much in the background throughout the whole song, even the little lead line at the start is played by Chris live.
That wasn't my point. I was just saying that most people/n00bs? only want this effect to do this paticular song or just show off as Raurie just suggested. That was me tbh but now I don't give a shit. I know you can do more with a sequencer and that your able to use them with more than just a whammy pedal but some people just want a sequencer and whammy to get that paticular effect and then they probably wont have a clue what else to achieve with the sequencer (this is why I don't care anymore, lol). Where as some people like maybe yourself and Raurie want to experiment with the effect.


You don't have to be a Matt wannabe to want to recreate these effects. Surely you must find some interest in reverse engineering/recreating them if only because they can give you ideas for your own hideously original music/endless Muse covers.
True. It goes the smae for a lot of other effects that Matt uses really. Like when some people wonder how Matt acheives the PIB intro then they get a FF and expect to sound like Matt.

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

That wasn't my point. I was just saying that most people/n00bs? only want this effect to do this paticular song or just show off as Raurie just suggested. That was me tbh but now I don't give a shit. I know you can do more with a sequencer and that your able to use them with more than just a whammy pedal but some people just want a sequencer and whammy to get that paticular effect and then they probably wont have a clue what else to achieve with the sequencer (this is why I don't care anymore, lol). Where as some people like maybe yourself and Raurie want to experiment with the effect.

You mean there another reason to use lots of weird effects other than to show off? :eek:

What I don't like is when people give out misleading information, in this case saying that a step flanger, phase or filter will get the sound, when it is clearly pitchshifting, purely on the basis it sounds 'similar', which is a bit like telling someone to get an overdrive when they want to get the early Nirvana Big Muff sound, yes, what they do is similar, but they don't sound the same.
I don't think it's got anything to do with me wanting to experiment with that effect (even though I do, check the new song in the link in my sig :happy: ), it's more to do with wanting people to know how to get the sound, rather than the cheapest way that sounds 'similar'.

[Funguy]

You don't have to be a Matt wannabe to want to recreate these effects. Surely you must find some interest in reverse engineering/recreating them if only because they can give you ideas for your own hideously original music/endless Muse covers. It's like the sort of people that take an engine apart just to see how it works and then rebuild it for the sake of it, it's to expand your understanding. From the sounds of things we're looking at this from two very different angles: From what you've said you're interested in being able to cover this song/impress friends with it because you're after the sound (hence the "this is close enough without spending money") wheras I'm more interested in the method and the potential with MIDI and sequencers etc. I'm I think I'm looking at it the same as you. the whole looking at what potential there is.

[Funguy]

listen to the video on the Zvex ite, I think the seek wah sounds much more like it than the seek trem

i agree with you on that. what's this line 6 that's got the seek wah patch on it?

[Jabnit]

i agree with you on that. what's this line 6 that's got the seek wah patch on it?
Line 6 FM-4 Filter Modeler

[Funguy]

Line 6 FM-4 Filter Modeler

you konw any info on the FM4 the line 6 doesn't seem to give much away on that and any info about the patch? interested on getting one for christmas but i wanna know more first.

[Funguy]

I think the effect is the seek wah patch on the FM4, line 6 claim matt uses it under there artist section. but that's just my opinion after i was looknig into the FM4.
http://line6.com/artists/182

[muse12]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jks09pKu3bU&mode=related&search=

well, looks like a koass pad now :P
you never see matt change koass pad settings.

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jks09pKu3bU&mode=related&search=

well, looks like a koass pad now :P
you never see matt change koass pad settings.

What's it got to do with MOTP though? :confused:

[Jabnit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jks09pKu3bU&mode=related&search=

well, looks like a koass pad now :P
you never see matt change koass pad settings.
That's what i thought it was a while back. But that demo is a delay effect surely.

[Jabnit]

"BPM effect function with flexible BPM detection"
"Twenty types of BPM effect can be synchronized to the tempo of your music to control delay time or the pan, phaser, or flanger LFO. Of these, eight can synchronize a rhythm pattern or synth bass to the BPM, and play it from the touch pad. You can set the BPM manually, use Auto BPM to detect it from an input source, use the Tap Tempo function to set the BPM by pressing the Tap key, or control BPM from incoming MIDI Clock messages".

[muse12]

what effect is it then?

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

If anyone is willing to host a mp3 file for me, PM your email address, it may be of interest to this thread. ;)

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

If anyone is willing to host a mp3 file for me, PM your email address, it may be of interest to this thread. ;)

don't bother now.


http://www.studiotokyo.co.uk/misc/whammymidi.mp3

erm, used a broken squier strat, into the whammy on -/+1 octave harmony (controlled using a MIDI sequencer) into an MG30, recorded using the line out on the amp into cubase :)

not the correct rhythm i know, but you get the idea. enjoy!


by the way cheers to yellowshpere.

[bshuker]

to be honest, seeing as the guys are using the digidesign VENUE system, they probably have no difficulty whatsoever creating this effect live doing exactly what haze has done!. i mean they have access to live protools essentially.

[bshuker]

don't bother now.


http://www.studiotokyo.co.uk/misc/whammymidi.mp3

erm, used a broken squier strat, into the whammy on -/+1 octave harmony (controlled using a MIDI sequencer) into an MG30, recorded using the line out on the amp into cubase :)

not the correct rhythm i know, but you get the idea. enjoy!


by the way cheers to yellowshpere.
i like the random noodling at the end!! haha!

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

to be honest, seeing as the guys are using the digidesign VENUE system, they probably have no difficulty whatsoever creating this effect live doing exactly what haze has done!. i mean they have access to live protools essentially.

Yep, plus everyone seems to forget that matt and chris' setups are controlled by midi, afterall, matt doesn't have his whammys onstage, just sat in a rack where midi controls everything it does and has done so since '03.

I don't have access to pro tools either, i'm just using a cheap hardware midi sequencer, would love to control it from a computer, would have more access to automation.......

[Funguy]

would love to control it from a computer, would have more access to automation....... That's what I'm trying to sort out. Since I've got a Laptop I wanna take advantage of using midi controlling and Comp software on and as effects. My mate who's been working with midi and midi controlling is go try help me in setting up a midi control system.

[olliew]

That's what I'm trying to sort out. Since I've got a Laptop I wanna take advantage of using midi controlling and Comp software on and as effects. My mate who's been working with midi and midi controlling is go try help me in setting up a midi control system.


I've been trying to do that too, I did figure out all the commands and channels and things in cubase for the whammy, but for some reason I couldn't get the computer to recognise my usb-midi lead :(

[Funguy]

I've been trying to do that too, I did figure out all the commands and channels and things in cubase for the whammy, but for some reason I couldn't get the computer to recognise my usb-midi lead :(

ah shit. i dunno what I'm gona use for my software but it's gotta all be mac compatible.

[Bchbiker16]

logic has sum sort of midi sequencer in it.

[Funguy]

logic has sum sort of midi sequencer in it.

got logic Express. gotta sort it out and get it working

[Bchbiker16]

so is logic express a good choice for music production? are the synths good?

[Funguy]

so is logic express a good choice for music production? are the synths good? I've never reaqlly tried it. i just have it. i need ot work more with it. i seem to use garageband and Quicktime pro more.

[Bchbiker16]

cant argue with that. for being so simple garageband is probobly the funest music software ive ever used

[Bchbiker16]

don't bother now.


http://www.studiotokyo.co.uk/misc/whammymidi.mp3

erm, used a broken squier strat, into the whammy on -/+1 octave harmony (controlled using a MIDI sequencer) into an MG30, recorded using the line out on the amp into cubase :)

not the correct rhythm i know, but you get the idea. enjoy!


by the way cheers to yellowshpere.

if you turn the volume up can you hear it self oscilate (i think thats what its called)

[Funguy]

cant argue with that. for being so simple garageband is probobly the funest music software ive ever used

yup. really easy to use too.

[muse12]

lol i have cubase and reason 3.0 but no whammy or midi-acces tools anywhere :)

But you can also turn your amp on always far away distortion and feedback it with an other distortion. And then just pick up in random rhythms, you just need to stay in the original measure with your random picking. Easy as ass :P

Well, it is not the perfect matt-way but want you want? No one can afford a his shit from backstage so... I will work fine on a 10 watt amp with Squier guitar :)

By the way... What would you recommand in the FX effects to buy?

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

if you turn the volume up can you hear it self oscilate (i think thats what its called)

There's no self oscillation, just a noisy beaten up guitar ;)

[Jabnit]

lol i have cubase and reason 3.0 but no whammy or midi-acces tools anywhere :)

But you can also turn your amp on always far away distortion and feedback it with an other distortion. And then just pick up in random rhythms, you just need to stay in the original measure with your random picking. Easy as ass :P

Well, it is not the perfect matt-way but want you want? No one can afford a his shit from backstage so... I will work fine on a 10 watt amp with Squier guitar :)

By the way... What would you recommand in the FX effects to buy?
:stunned: Digitech Whammy and a MIDI Sequencer

Can you get the step effect using Logic Edication and a Whammy?

[Bchbiker16]

well doesnt matts effect self oscillate before he even strums?

[Funguy]

well doesnt matts effect self oscillate before he even strums?

yes. yes it does. any help on midi controlling would be nice. (info from scratch would be greatful).

[Yorin]

I read this thread yesterday and thought I'd try something myself with my BOSS gt-8...

What do you think? I know it needs tweaking, its been a 5 mins job. Also, the timing is really off, but its just to give you an idea. What do you think needs improvement?

http://users.dfu-clan.net/yorin/motp.mp3

[muse12]

yorin it should help if you should say which effects on the boss you use :)

and by the way? how mmany peops have two whammy's in there home? :ohmy:

[Jabnit]

yorin it should help if you should say which effects on the boss you use :)

and by the way? how mmany peops have two whammy's in there home? :ohmy:
I will do soon. Why?

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

and by the way? how mmany peops have two whammy's in there home? :ohmy:

When did two whammies become involved with this?

But yeah, me and my bassist both use whammies, so I can always use two if I want to.

[the_man361]

I read this thread yesterday and thought I'd try something myself with my BOSS gt-8...

What do you think? I know it needs tweaking, its been a 5 mins job. Also, the timing is really off, but its just to give you an idea. What do you think needs improvement?

http://users.dfu-clan.net/yorin/motp.mp3

very good, *impressed*
now go make your own sequence and itd be cooler!

[muse12]

1/ why you should tell us which effects, because not everybody uses BOSS :)
2/ well cause matt use two whammies for +1/-1 oct i wondered or more peops (the reall matt-wannabies) used two whammies