Recommend a good guitar for a beginner???

[Lucy]

I'm planning on buying myself a guitar because I wanna learn to play. Can any of you lot recommend a good one for a beginner. I wanna create muse like sounds and it's gotta be under £200. Have already found one but I'm not sure if it's good as I have no idea about guitars at all.

Here's the one i found (http://www.gear4music.com/index.php?sec=proddetails&pcode=P29B)

Thanx

[In_Your_World]

theres something wrong with my computer so i cant open new windows so i dont know what guitar youve seen but....

i would go for a yamaha pacifica 112. cost about £160-180 and they play amazingly well. u wont get a muse type sound with a £200 guitar i wouldnt think. his cost up to £6000 and are filled with effects and stuff. if u really want muse sounds then save up and buy a fuzz factory or a digitech whammy later on.

[YellowSphere]

don't get the one you found, its made by encore (shudders)

get a yamaha pacifica 112, like In_Your_World suggested. It will create more muse-like sounds than most other things because matt started out with a pacifica. They also make a different model which i cant remember the name of which has humbuckers in bridge and neck, as opposed to just bridge. That might be the one to go for, someone at school has one and it does sound good compared to anything else for that cash. Go to the yamaha website (http://www.yamaha-music.co.uk) and see what you see there. I think they make a pack with the cheapest pacifica's in. Also checkout soundslive (http://www.soundslive.co.uk). I think they sell em.

Good luck finding a guitar.

[YellowSphere]

don't get the one you found, its made by encore (shudders)

get a yamaha pacifica 112, like In_Your_World suggested. It will create more muse-like sounds than most other things because matt started out with a pacifica. They also make a different model which i cant remember the name of which has humbuckers in bridge and neck, as opposed to just bridge. That might be the one to go for, someone at school has one and it does sound good compared to anything else for that cash. Go to the yamaha website (http://www.yamaha-music.co.uk) and see what you see there. I think they make a pack with the cheapest pacificas in. Also checkout soundslive (http://www.soundslive.co.uk). I think they sell em.

Good luck finding a guitar.

[YellowSphere]

no idea why that came up twice, sorry about that

[Lucy]

cool, thanx for recommending that. i'm swayed by looks tho :LOL:. i also found this guitar on ebay and a cheap marshall amp. what do u think?
I know it's an encore but it's so perty (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3717844668&category=2384&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT&rd=1)

[YellowSphere]

ebay is a great place to look, if you're a beginner you're not likely to mind about how a guitar plays as you're not going to be able to play it to find out.
theres often sub-200 quid Ibanezes and Epiphones on there, be sure to keep an eye out for a bargain.

BUT. NO. ENCORES!
ebay is such good value you might as well try and get a guitar made by a reputable company...

[dymund]

sorry.. cant get away from the fact that its an encore, they really arent worth getting at all. Yamaha or maybe an epiphone les paul (looks the same) and plays a hell of a lot better. Not sure they make one in your price range though, my mate bought an sg special for £160 and it wasnt too bad.

[YellowSphere]

a proper epiphone (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3718039462&category=2384)

theres a proper epiphone Les Paul for 200 quid, doesn't have an amp, but im sure that its worth stretching your budget to buy that guitar. Theres loads of decent Les Pauls, including a few epiphones for less than 150 aswell

[ReinierK]

Yamaha Pacifica is the way to go on a low budget ;)
Epiphone aint bad to learn on... But I think Yamaha actually has the better hardware in general...

[YellowSphere]

i'd probably have to agree with you, i mean, they make motorbikes, their guitars must rock!

[Lucy]

well, i like the look of this one and the price ain't bad
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3717832294&category=2384

[Lucy]

and this one
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3717922522&category=2384

[YellowSphere]

looks alright, buy what you like the look of, but not an encore. get a yamaha or an epiphone. I would recommend vintage, as mine is, but mine is one of the older ones, the ones that were good.

[Lucy]

or this one. says it's a fender stratocaster then says encore :confused:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3718694146&category=33039

[YellowSphere]

strats are fine, encores are not as we've already said. Get an epiphone or a yamaha, like i just said to, and stop sending us links, please?

[Lucy]

and another one hehehe
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3718931016&category=33039

[YellowSphere]

i played a mexican strat recently...the pickups were horrible, you'd be much better of with the pacifica...seriously

[Lucy]

ok soz, i will try and go for that epiphone then

[YellowSphere]

amp-wise, marshall MG series are great for their price. Laney, Fender, Crate and Behringer also make resonable amps (though behringers aren't well liked by most, i think that their kit does sound very good)

[YellowSphere]

good luck

wait, wasn't it a buy it now?

[Lucy]

ok, well have found a marshall mg amp for around a tenner and a yamaha pacifica for for just over £90, only thing is it's missing a trem arm or whatever. I have NO idea where i'm gonna get one of those!

[ReinierK]

some local guitar shop will have a spare one prolly... And you don't need trem arm on those guitars anyway, you'll probably jank them out of tune anyway ;)

(hail to locking tuners!)

[YellowSphere]

one should come with the pacifica, if it doesn't then a normal strat style one should fit in it and these can be picked up for peanuts from a music shop

[Lucy]

cool, that's a relief. will try and persuade mum to let me use her credit card and then pay her back hehhehehe

[YellowSphere]

that never works for me

[Lucy]

that never works for me

does normally for me, if i remember to pay her back

[YellowSphere]

i guess thats where i've been going wrong

[Lucy]

aaaaah i just said to my mum that I've seen a guitar I want and she said no :'( And now she's said wait til after my exams grrrrrr. and i was gonna pay for it

[Britrock]

My Pacifica's served me well for 4 years now, so it's a pretty good guitar. I can get it sounding pretty good (even with a shite amp) so it'd be my recommendation.

[Daddsy]

aaaaah i just said to my mum that I've seen a guitar I want and she said no :'( And now she's said wait til after my exams grrrrrr. and i was gonna pay for it

When it comes to exams, guitars are the bigest revision throw off ever, its so hard to revise when u have a guitar by your side.

[YellowSphere]

yes, having thought about it futher, its probably better to hunt down a yamaha guitar pack, with either the pacifica 112 (the one with one humbucker pickups) or the black one with two pickups (probably better for muse). They also make a tele-style one with two humbuckers, which should also be good for muse, but i don't know how much it costs. Surely its not long until you've done your exams at this time of the year? Do well and maybe you'll get it bought for you.

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

When it comes to exams, guitars are the bigest revision throw off ever, its so hard to revise when u have a guitar by your side.

Never a truer word spoken

[Lucy]

yes, having thought about it futher, its probably better to hunt down a yamaha guitar pack, with either the pacifica 112 (the one with one humbucker pickups) or the black one with two pickups (probably better for muse). They also make a tele-style one with two humbuckers, which should also be good for muse, but i don't know how much it costs. Surely its not long until you've done your exams at this time of the year? Do well and maybe you'll get it bought for you.

My last exam is the 22nd june and i can't wat til i get my results (end of august) to get a guitar. Plus, my family wouldn't buy me one. I'm just gonna have to get a lot of work done so i can buy one myself.

When it comes to exams, guitars are the bigest revision throw off ever, its so hard to revise when u have a guitar by your side.
And yea that's a good point!

[muse-erm-person]

112 is good, just to chuck in a diff model tho, looks liike a really really pretty guitar to me and its a few awards, Yamaha AES620 http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/ContentDetail/ModelSeriesDetail/0,6373,CNTID%253D24987%2526CTID%253D223450,00.html

bit more expensive but still sounds like great value for money, I like the translucent red mmm...

[Noodles]

cool, thanx for recommending that. i'm swayed by looks tho :LOL:. i also found this guitar on ebay and a cheap marshall amp. what do u think?
I know it's an encore but it's so perty (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3717844668&category=2384&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT&rd=1)
Agh, I know you`ve been warned...but those Encore `strats` are shite! They`re much smaller....disconcertingly light, play like ass munch and sound like dog mess.

For the dosh, you honestly won`t get much better than the Pacific. They`re a good play! :D
Get one with a bridge humbucker if you can. (and maple fingerboard YUM!)
http://www.bringemusic.com/shop/media/natpacificae.jpg

Wow... with a nice Mattocaster body! :D
http://www.thecreativecomplex.net/yama.gif

[leggless]

i learnt on a peavey raptor... awesome cheap guitar

Buy here (same shop i bought it from) (http://www.peaveystore.co.uk/acatalog/Guitar_Packs.html)

comes with a pretty good practise amp as well, + gig bag, strap, lead for only £139!!

[Canadian]

Ok, that's it! I'm getting a guitar. I've saved enough money and I've wanted one for a while now. Does anyone know of a good one for around $400 - $500 Dollars?

Thanks!
Michelle

[YellowSphere]

well, what the rest of the post came up with was the yamaha pacifica.
and are you talking canadian dollars or US?

[LittleMUSEalieN]

Hey guys :) i was just wondering if anyone could help me, i haven't seen this thread posted before so.. I'm planning on buying an electric guitar in June, i now only play the accoustic (about 3/4 of a year) and am getting the hang of it pretty quick, but my lessons only start in September. Can anyone help me out as to which guitars i should take a look at as a beginner, not the cheapest but not too expensive?? I was thinking some kind of Fender or Ibanez.. anyone who can help me out who knows more on the subject?? cheers :D

[Clotho]

fender squire's are pretty nice for the price, i got mine ages ago and still go back to it somtimes. i've heard good things about Yamaha pacifica's as well

[donbenjy]

ive got squier strat which is really good, im not really an expert on guitars but theres nothing wrong with it and its great to play, only problem is, ive had 3 strings snap in 3 weeks on the saddle, but after having it checked out, its just my playing style that did it and a bit of bad luck. if you're not that bothered about prices, the setup pack is about £200 and if i were you, id ask a shop about getting new pickups and, depending on the model, a thicker scratchplate than 1 ply as the screw positioning on the scratchplate is lacking at the top which does make a handy place to wedge my pick, but when somebody else was using it, they managed to push it down inside my guitar which was a nuisance. ive not got any new pickups as of yet, but my suggestion would be a bridge seymour duncan hotrail which is a small form of humbucker pickup. as for the bridge and neck regular fender or seymour duncan single coils for strat would be a sensible suggestion and you'd want to get the hotrail coil tapped, which means that you could use it as a single coil pickup aswell.

if you dont understand bits of that, post back here or e-mail me at donbenjy@hotmail.com as i cant be bothered explaining stuff if you already know about it. if you do want advice on pickups, i know the basics and could suggest a few arrangements and modifications that would give you a wider option although you really should ask biblical about them as he knows practically EVERYTHING :D :LOL:

[Biblical]

for about £300-400 you can get this,

http://www.fender.com/products/show.php?partno=0262100 or
http://www.fender.com/products/show.php?partno=0262000





they are a little expensive but it will last you a hell of a long time, and youd get a really nice sound out of the pickups too.

[Hey, Johnny Park!]

My first electric was a Vintage SG. I tend to avoid fender and fender-esque things like the plague, but that's for personal reasons. If I had a little more money when I was buying, I'd probably have gone for an Ibanez S series
(I was going to get an Ibanez S470DX, such as sexy guitar) or an Epiphone.

IMO, squiers cost too much for their sound (and the stratocaster is THE most copied shape in the world, mostly by really cheap makes. Don't you want to stand out a little?), cheap yamahas tend to sound like a plank of pine with strings on, and don't even think the word 'Encore'.

Vintage tend to make their guitars really well, and their necks are pretty damn confortable. My ex guitar teacher was amazed at the SG I bought, saying how good a sound it has (slightly mellower than the Les paul, but can also be nice and trebly), and what a nice design it is overall, with perfect access to all frets (the frets finish before it joins the body). This guy is an amzing guitar player, whowas in a blues band who toured with John Lee Hooker, so does know what he's talking about. And anyway, it's easy to upgrade the pups etc. if the guitars well made.

[timmy123]

i got an ibanez gio, thats great for me.

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

Not another fucking thread on beginners guitars :mad:
Well...
...Ibanez - I have an Ibanez RGT42, great guitar, I have played cheaper Ibanezes and the quality is still excellent. My local guitar shop once had an RG321 in there second hand, it had been trashed on stage, I asked to try it and it still played and sounded really good.

Squier - My first guitar was a Squier Strat, seemed ok at the time, but as I improved the problems with one of these showed, although it can take a good beating, as I have discovered with mine.

Epiphone - I don't like Les Pauls, they sound great, just too heavy, SG's are amazing though, similar sound and playibility, just not as heavy, good for jumping around and not risking back problems later in life.

Yamaha - Similar to Ibanez in that the cheap guitars get as much care as the higher end ones get, well maybe a bit less, but nothing major, unlike Fender. The only time I've used a Pacifica was when I was looking to get a distortion pedal and I was trying a Boss MT-2 Metal Zone, which turned out to be the most overrated pedal ever made, so I can't comment on the sound, it played ok though, the RGX range play really well and don't cost a bomb and is similar to the Ibanez RG range, just not as expansive and is just a copy of the Ibanez RG's, but still good.

Anyway, thats my opinion on different brands, although there are enough "beginner guitar" threads, just try looking at some of the others. The thing to remember is that just because someone says something is good or bad doesn't make it so (unless its Squier).

[LittleMUSEalieN]

Well boo hoo sorry haze but if its so bad u didnt have to answer :p and i used search but couldnt find any.. and if i missed the rest then sorry the mods can take it away easily :) tnx for posting anyway :D and thanks to everyone for your feedback!!! haha im not quite sure what everything is at the mo.. but i'm working on it and hopefully i can ask someone else if they can help me out :D so far i might be considering a Vintage SG and some kind of Ibanez.. oh one more question.. when you guys bought your first electric guitar, did u notice that the people who worked in the shop we're realkly trying to help you with chosing? Or more just trying to make money? Are there any tips that you could give me maybe??? thanks again ;) :D

[Biblical]

for about £300-400 you can get this,

http://www.fender.com/products/show.php?partno=0262100 or
http://www.fender.com/products/show.php?partno=0262000





they are a little expensive but it will last you a hell of a long time, and youd get a really nice sound out of the pickups too.

btw these are japanese fenders not squires, they feel like an american and sound better.

vintage are mint for thier quality:cash ratio, my friend got their prs copy and it sounded great, put some real prs pickups in and itd sound really really good

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

Well boo hoo sorry haze but if its so bad u didnt have to answer :p and i used search but couldnt find any.. and if i missed the rest then sorry the mods can take it away easily :) tnx for posting anyway :D and thanks to everyone for your feedback!!! haha im not quite sure what everything is at the mo.. but i'm working on it and hopefully i can ask someone else if they can help me out :D so far i might be considering a Vintage SG and some kind of Ibanez.. oh one more question.. when you guys bought your first electric guitar, did u notice that the people who worked in the shop we're realkly trying to help you with chosing? Or more just trying to make money? Are there any tips that you could give me maybe??? thanks again ;) :D

I don't have a problem with it, it's that Kev went to all that work on the FAQ and if no one bothers to read it, it was a waste of time, which would be a shame due to the amount of work put into it.
Staff in guitars shops are usually helpful, unless its a teenager working there on a Saturday.
A useful tip is to pretend that you act like you don't know what is available, so they let you try out more stuff.

[kev]

*merged*

there was a thread on page 2 but oh well nevermind :)

[Ewan]

just noticed the guitar part by your sig kev thats pretty nice :p

[kev]

danke schon :)

[Ewan]

kein Problem :LOL:

[malice]

my brother's question: do you have to play the classical guitar before taking up electric?

[kuz]

nope, in fact most teenagers start with electric. personally, i started learning by myslef on a nylon-stringed acoustic, but my technique sucked. i got an electric, starting taking lessons... voila, huge improvement :)

[gordon]

I dunno if i'm too late to comment, but i can't be arsed reading all 4 pages. My guitar was only £220 and i love it! Its an OLP MM1, you can see a pic of it here (http://www.olpguitars.com/intl/products_intl.htm)
I love it so much, i used to use a Jim Deacon Strat Copy, which was really a piece of pish. This one plays like a dream, and you can do pretty much anything you want on it. Its a sturdy wee bugger too, dunno how many times i've battered mine off amps and it still works perfectly. And you look pretty stylish on stage with one of these, strats are so cliche. As with Ibanezes. I know people say "its not about the looks" but pfft to them.

Tis a great guitar...

[amused232]

Hi guys, sorry to bring an old thread up again :happy:

Well I've been trying to figure out what electric to get for the past couple of months and now I have the time so I'm hoping to actually buy sometime soon. Obviously I've heard great things about Yamaha Pacificas and Ibanez's, I must say that I've slightly fallen in love with the Pacifica 120... can anyone explain to me why it's cheaper than the 112? Anyone played, recommend?

I have a loan of an Epiphone off a friend, not sure what model only that it says Gibson at the top lol. Not too impressed at first but soon discovered that it was because he hadn't replaced the strings for about 2 years... nasty :rolleyes: Also a crap amp and that I've only been playing since Jan. (altho I'd like to think I'm a bit better than that ;) )but that's not the point lol

So I'm really leaning towards this Pacifica 120, if anyone has anything to say on it I'd love to hear, seen it on soundslive.co.uk for €216 (112 - €231). Oh and is it ok to buy a guitar online? Is it a really bad idea like do the same models differ a lot and you have to try the exact one you're going to buy or anything?

Probably going to end up buying a Fender amp, the 2nd cheapest one w/ the little effects thing most likely. The guitar shop near me doesn't have a great selection of amps lol.

Anyway, long post, thanks a mil for all the stuff here already, everything helps! :D

[YellowSphere]

I presume you mean the 120SJ?
The two are very similar guitars, it might just be the shop/site that you are looking at

[Apocalypse King]

Just dont anyone EVER think about buying anything that says 'Westfield' on it.

[YellowSphere]

Just dont anyone EVER think about buying anything that says 'Westfield' on it.

hey! I have a westfield gig bag for my Tanglewood! and the bass player in my Band has a westfield, and its a pretty nice instrument!

[Chaos Is Me!]

Cheap Epiphones are just as shit as encores. Think about a yamaha pacifica, a Aria or if your wanting a les paul, Vintage. There all good cheap beginner guitars. But if you got an aria you could probably get a Guitar Amp and Accessories for £120.

[Apocalypse King]

hey! I have a westfield gig bag for my Tanglewood! and the bass player in my Band has a westfield, and its a pretty nice instrument!

Well, I don't know about basses. Just, I have a Westfield guitar, and it's the most horrible guitar ever. I wish I had known that when I bought the thing, I knew nothing about guitars back then..

EDIT:

Although, I think a big part of the problem is my amp, it is also an almighty heap of shite, really.

[YellowSphere]

Cheap Epiphones are just as shit as encores. Think about a yamaha pacifica, a Aria or if your wanting a les paul, Vintage. There all good cheap beginner guitars. But if you got an aria you could probably get a Guitar Amp and Accessories for £120.

Vintage used to be good, though now they're as bad as encore...they realized how popular their impressive quality guitars were and the quailty control shot down...lukily I have one of the good ones, though a mate on the school bus has a really awful horrible one, bought a year after mine...I'd steer clear...

[Chaos Is Me!]

Vintage used to be good, though now they're as bad as encore...they realized how popular their impressive quality guitars were and the quailty control shot down...lukily I have one of the good ones, though a mate on the school bus has a really awful horrible one, bought a year after mine...I'd steer clear...
wondered why my local shop stopped stocking them....

[amused232]

So it's not a crime to buy guitars off the net then? Anyone seen this site : Regent Guitars (http://www.regentguitars.co.uk/), look pretty good I'm swayed by them blabbing on about how the "set up the guitars correctly" etc. :cool:

[dymund]

So it's not a crime to buy guitars off the net then? Anyone seen this site : Regent Guitars (http://www.regentguitars.co.uk/), look pretty good I'm swayed by them blabbing on about how the "set up the guitars correctly" etc. :cool:

Stuff like thats generally ok off the net. When you are starting to buy vintage gear though, they tend to vary from quality to quality and definitely second hand stuff has this issue so try to try but for most new stuff its ok to buy online so long as you've played a similar instrument

[Britrock]

I have a loan of an Epiphone off a friend, not sure what model only that it says Gibson at the top lol. Not too impressed at first but soon discovered that it was because he hadn't replaced the strings for about 2 years... nasty :rolleyes: Also a crap amp and that I've only been playing since Jan. (altho I'd like to think I'm a bit better than that ;) )but that's not the point lol

P.S. If it has Gibson written on the headstock, it's a Gibson, not an Epiphone...If it were Epiphone, it would have ... dum dum duuuuu ... Epiphone written on it. :eek:

But yeah, the Pacifica's good, I've got a 112, having done some research, I think the 120's cheaper because of the lack of tremelo and less pickups (?!), although I'm not sure at all.

[Musely]

Electric - Squire
Acoustic - RW

[Britrock]

Electric - Squire

Leave, now. *Points to door*

[YellowSphere]

Yup, Squier are crap, Pacificas are so much better...

[amused232]

P.S. If it has Gibson written on the headstock, it's a Gibson, not an Epiphone...If it were Epiphone, it would have ... dum dum duuuuu ... Epiphone written on it. :eek:
Ah yes, but you see that's just the point it has Gibson written under the strings at the... nut bit and Epiphone bigger above it, therefore bringing me to the conclusion it's an Epi lol.

But yeah, the Pacifica's good, I've got a 112, having done some research, I think the 120's cheaper because of the lack of tremelo and less pickups (?!), although I'm not sure at all.
But it's only €20! Surely there can't be that much dif :confused: So technically the 112 is a better guitar then? Dammit I was getting really attached to the shape of the 120. Are you sure thats all the actual dif., technology-wise?

Hmm, maybe time to do some of my own research :happy:

[Chaos Is Me!]

[QUOTE=Britrock]P.S. If it has Gibson written on the headstock, it's a Gibson, not an Epiphone...If it were Epiphone, it would have ... dum dum duuuuu ... Epiphone written on it. :eek:
QUOTE]
not true at all. A friend of mine who works at a guitar shop once had a guy bring in a squire with fender on the headstock.

[red]

what do you think of this??

here (http://www.regentguitars.co.uk/acatalog/copy_of_Yamaha_lefty.html)

http://www.regentguitars.co.uk/acatalog/121.gif

[Bjorny]

what do you think of this??

here (http://www.regentguitars.co.uk/acatalog/copy_of_Yamaha_lefty.html)

http://www.regentguitars.co.uk/acatalog/121.gif

It's lefty. And blue.

Are you just starting out? If so, don't play lefty. I did that, and now I have real probs getting good guitars/ basses.

[Britrock]

Ah yes, but you see that's just the point it has Gibson written under the strings at the... nut bit and Epiphone bigger above it, therefore bringing me to the conclusion it's an Epi lol.

But it's only €20! Surely there can't be that much dif :confused: So technically the 112 is a better guitar then? Dammit I was getting really attached to the shape of the 120. Are you sure thats all the actual dif., technology-wise?

Hmm, maybe time to do some of my own research :happy:

Ahhh, yeah, it'll be an Epi then.

And thinking about it, the 120 has 2 humbuckers, so it'll be better to play Muse on and heavier stuff like that. If the stock ones are crap, stick in whatever Matt uses and you're off. So, the difference is that there probably isn't a difference...

[amused232]

Lol fair enough.

Was on the Yamaha site and so far the differences are :

Pacifica 112
2 single coils, humbucker
vibrato bridge thingy
five position pick-up selector, master volume, master tone

Pacifica 120S
2 humbuckers,
3 position pick-up selector, master volume, master tone

The manufacturers site doesn't have the normal 120 it goes on about how the 120S has 2 humbuckers whereas the normal one just has single coils.

So I dunno what to think again. Dear I'm not good at this stuff lol :unsure:

[YellowSphere]

yeah, I looked on the Yamaha site, the comp crashed when I was going to reply saying there is so difference...the 120 is a tele-shape guitar and will be better for Muse, if thats what you want...

[theimpressiveclergyman]

I got a Yamaha ERG 121- quite cheap and I've found it easy to play- but then, anything would easier than my acoustic. :indiffere

Erroneous Fiend claims they fall apart eventually, though.

[Noodles]

I got a Yamaha ERG 121- quite cheap and I've found it easy to play- but then, anything would easier than my acoustic. :indiffere

Erroneous Fiend claims they fall apart eventually, though.


Most musical intruments will do that if you treat them like crapola. :rolleyes:
I`m sure you`ll look after yours.

[randombaz]

this is certainly a long thread to beginner guitars...i think i'll contribute to its size!

i have played on a variety of guitars under the £500 price range and still like mine the best...and its only an epiphone lp100. im comfortable with it, (more so now the neck is sanded down to remove the laquered paint - personal thing)
im a confident beginner....as in i know quite a bit, and especially know what to look for now in guitars, and im still happy with my choice. i wouldnt swap it. i wouldnt want a single coil guitar, the weight is fine, sound seems fine, style i like, etc. and i've also compared it to my friends epiphone "standard" which people say sounds nicer coz it has a glued in neck rather than bolt on. expensive fender guitars have bolt ons, and i didnt notice the difference in sound. so dont be fooled by audiophiles is my story there........until i guess your really experienced!
another my point i want to say is, i think you have to try the guitar and get something you like. this sounds cliche, but bare with me..i went back to the shop to try out the spider 2 amp, and told them i want to try it on an epiphone lp100. they handed me one off the wall and it was fucking horrible to play. god i think it even 2 top nylon strings or something.

when your a beginner, check out harmonycentral.com , ask questions (as your doing) on forums IF no other threads exist that can help...then with your budget go to a guitar shop. if u like it then and you like playing on it....you'll work on it. i find with everything musical u can always get something better, but i buy what i can afford and make, if i dont mind me saying, great music out of it

with anything musical.....go and try it if u have access. its the only way

[theimpressiveclergyman]

Most musical intruments will do that if you treat them like crapola. :rolleyes:
I`m sure you`ll look after yours.

Of course. *pats guitar fondly* :D

[Chaos Is Me!]

Most musical intruments will do that if you treat them like crapola. :rolleyes:
I`m sure you`ll look after yours.
Yerh i got a washburn thats 32 years old and its in perfect condition except a little chip out of the corner which is unrecogniseable.

[Ash]

Mines got a few knocks and scratches. It adds character ;)

[Chaos Is Me!]

Mines got a few knocks and scratches. It adds character ;)
if mine had any more character it would have its own cartoon ;)

[randombaz]

Mines got a few knocks and scratches. It adds character ;)

yeh, mine has a few scratches too.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/randombaz/000_1269.jpg

[Bjorny]

yeh, mine has a few scratches too.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/randombaz/000_1269.jpg

Parcel tape. How original.....

[red]

It's lefty. And blue.

Are you just starting out? If so, don't play lefty. I did that, and now I have real probs getting good guitars/ basses.

ive been learning left handed for about 2 years now. started on classical acoustic worked my way up to steel string. i really want an electric.
i can sorta play anything but its most comfortable playing guitar left handed.


i asked is that a good guitar, i want a good sound out of it? i will be changing pickups and getting a few toys as well as making some myself as im an electronics wizz.
thanks.

[Chaos Is Me!]

ive been learning left handed for about 2 years now. started on classical acoustic worked my way up to steel string. i really want an electric.
i can sorta play anything but its most comfortable playing guitar left handed.
i play guitar left handed, but when i try bass i do it right handed, dunno why, seem to pick it up pretty quick on my mates bass, i want one, maybe a guitar and a bass, joined at the bottom, like a double neck but i play the guitar left handed and the bass right handed, like this
___________
/ \
<==================| |==================>
\___________/

1337 ascii skills :D

[Bjorny]

ive been learning left handed for about 2 years now. started on classical acoustic worked my way up to steel string. i really want an electric.
i can sorta play anything but its most comfortable playing guitar left handed.


i asked is that a good guitar, i want a good sound out of it? i will be changing pickups and getting a few toys as well as making some myself as im an electronics wizz.
thanks.

You're not going to go too far wrong with a Yamaha. A few mods and tinkerings, and that could rock booty ass.

[Bjorny]

i play guitar left handed, but when i try bass i do it right handed, dunno why, seem to pick it up pretty quick on my mates bass, i want one, maybe a guitar and a bass, joined at the bottom, like a double neck but i play the guitar left handed and the bass right handed, like this
___________
/ \
<==================| |==================>
\___________/

1337 ascii skills :D


You're just weird!

:LOL:

[Chaos Is Me!]

You're just weird!

:LOL:
individual, or aquipondreus, you know what i mean, where you can use both hands.

[randombaz]

Parcel tape. How original.....

i dunno if that was sarcastic or what


i've removed the parcel tape a while ago actually...it was there to hold the strap there coz i liked its positioning, but i can now play without it, so i guess that pic is a lil unaccurate

[theimpressiveclergyman]

individual, or aquipondreus, you know what i mean, where you can use both hands.

Ambidextrous?

[donbenjy]

lol i can see how you get those 2 mixed up :confused: :indiffere

[red]

thanks for the responses i now have to save up £400 quid in about 5 weeks, think i can do it :LOL:

[donbenjy]

lucky git...itd take me yonks to save £400! just my luck there no job vacancies around for a 16 year old next september :indiffere

[red]

on average i get £240 a week ;) £20 board, leaves me with £220. ;)

[donbenjy]

wow! you could buy a new guitar every week if your board included food! :cool:

[Chaos Is Me!]

Ambidextrous?
thanks darling

[red]

sadly it does, but im not greedy, im only working till college starts anyway then i might try and go part time as i want things.

im saving for a nice amp as well. i want a head and a cab. then ill build up my effects. first thing tho is a big muff ;)

[amused232]

Well I just wanted to say thanks to everyone for your help, got my guitar today. :cool: Ended up not getting the Pacifica at all, ended up w/ an Ibanez Gio. What can I say?! I'm really really happy with it. Bit above what I was planning to spend but... I couldn't resist. ;)

[miss villkhu[TSP]]

i got myself a black stagg last summer. i could have done better but i only had £160 and went for colour rather than quality. same as my violin really-tis black but sounds crap.

[Apocalypse King]

on average i get £240 a week ;) £20 board, leaves me with £220. ;)

Can you buy me a new guitar? :LOL:

[Hayley]

I'm going to buy my first electric guitar soon, but I don't know which one to get? I'll have about £170 maximum (birthday money and some out my bank).
I can play some acoustic guitar (although I've given up for a bit because I've snapped 2 tuning pegs off).
I don't know much about guitars... so any help would be appreciated :)

[YellowSphere]

Yamaha Pacifica ;) the best way to go!

[Britrock]

Yep, although the Pacifica may cost nearer £200, it's well worth saving the money for.

P.S. Avoid Squiers like the plague.

[5h0r7y]

im getting a new electric guitar, (just starting) and im wondering what a good "first electric" would be, any ideas?

[Punching_sandwiches]

I bet you everyone will say a Telecaster of some sort.

or to go into a shop and try some stuff out...

[Chaos Is Me!]

John 5 rocks my socks.

[Phill]

people usually reccomend a yamaha pacifica to people although a few people have mentioned a problem with the jack socket connection becoming sketchy... uhhh some of the cheaper ibanez's could be a good choice, a good thing would be to go into a local guitar shop look at all the guitars in your price range and have a feel of them see which u find most comfortable to hold, and ask the guy in the shop his reccomendations and also it depends on what sort of things you are planning on learning to play...

[Punching_sandwiches]

John 5 rocks my socks.

I no longer have socks since ive known John 5 because he rocked them so much.

[Chaos Is Me!]

I no longer have socks since ive known John 5 because he rocked them so much.
You can build houses with my socks, cos there rocks.

[Punching_sandwiches]

You can build houses with my socks, cos there rocks.

Really?? How rare!

[Chaos Is Me!]

Really?? How rare!
Not rare in the world of John 5.

[Punching_sandwiches]

Not rare in the world of John 5.

Agreed!

[Phill]

haha what the hell are you guys talking about, who's john 5 :LOL:

[Chaos Is Me!]

haha what the hell are you guys talking about, who's john 5 :LOL:
God.

[Punching_sandwiches]

haha what the hell are you guys talking about, who's john 5 :LOL:

My best friend..

[Phill]

haha alright...

[Punching_sandwiches]

Hes actually the ex-guitarist of Marilyn Manson, who has currently released a solo album which is probably amazing but I havent heard it yet :'(

[Ril]

haha what the hell are you guys talking about, who's john 5 :LOL:
phil i had respect for you too! :eek:

[Phill]

haha well what can i say i dont pay any attention to marilyn manson, some quite cool songs but i wouldn't call myself a fan in anyway therefore i don't know the names of any of them except brian warner isn't it?? haha but ok thanks for enlightening me... :P

[Punching_sandwiches]

haha well what can i say i dont pay any attention to marilyn manson, some quite cool songs but i wouldn't call myself a fan in anyway therefore i don't know the names of any of them except brian warner isn't it?? haha but ok thanks for enlightening me... :P

Actually im not really a fan of Manson, im a fan of John5 and Twiggys work as they were clearly the best people to ever enter the band.

[Ril]

you should check out his solo stuff. he's amazing :D

[Phill]

ok i'll look into it, worth a purcase or should i use the less prefered method of obtaining songs :P

[Ril]

ok i'll look into it, worth a purcase or should i use the less prefered method of obtaining songs :P
try before you buy is always the way to go :D

i'll see if i have any.

[Punching_sandwiches]

ok i'll look into it, worth a purcase or should i use the less prefered method of obtaining songs :P

Ive tried the 'less prefered methods and can't find anything, I tryed this just because amazon.co.uk were giving about 5-6 weeks to wait for it to be dispatched and were currently out of stock.

[Phill]

ahh ok
is it the same sort of style as manson's stuff then?

[kev]

john 5 is very good on the guitar indeed. but don't mess around with his stuff get bucketheads instead, you can hear a bucket influence in john 5's solo style but it won't ever be as good as the robot chicken man.

its not really marilyn manson style at all. more hardcore shred weirdy sounds and bluegrass shred

[Joakim]

don't get the one you found, its made by encore (shudders)

get a yamaha pacifica 112, like In_Your_World suggested. It will create more muse-like sounds than most other things because matt started out with a pacifica. They also make a different model which i cant remember the name of which has humbuckers in bridge and neck, as opposed to just bridge. That might be the one to go for, someone at school has one and it does sound good compared to anything else for that cash. Go to the yamaha website (http://www.yamaha-music.co.uk) and see what you see there. I think they make a pack with the cheapest pacifica's in. Also checkout soundslive (http://www.soundslive.co.uk). I think they sell em.

Good luck finding a guitar.


You should purchase the "new" Pacifica 012, it has good reviews from different magazines, and a friend of mine tells me it's awesome, i'm getting it for christmas, yeah!

[fiona_j]

I think this is the right place to put this.

Basically, I've been playing around with guitars for a while but never owned my own, just borrowed my mates. I would like to buy one but I have no idea what kind of guitar would suit a beginner. I'm not interested in buying anything electrical until I know I can actually play.

Any suggestions?

fi x

[YellowSphere]

Yamaha Pacifica

[fiona_j]

I just seen that other thread about guitars. Doh!

Are they all electric, cos I was thinking of starting off acoustic.

fi x

[no3chris]

dont start of acoustic, no point, electric is easier anyway

[fiona_j]

Ahh, ok. I've never played on an electric. How much am I looking at? I have a birthday coming up, just wondering if I could get mummy and daddy to help, lol

fi x

[donbenjy]

acoustic first DEFINATELY if you want to play properly, like get really good, acoustic is a VERY good place to start. firstly, its cheaper. secondly, electrics are ALOT harder to maintain...if you have a fault with an acouswtic, there arnt many options as to what it could be :p thridly, you get a BIG confidence boost when you progres to electric, as they're much faster to play etc. i wouldn't ever start a person on an electric, acoustics concentrate much harder on the actual playing involved, not effects etc. go for an acoustic or an electro-acoustic...only one thing, try to get one that allows access to all the frets...i.e. has a body cutaway under the fretboard so your hand goes all the way up :D

edit: you live in leicester....well best place for acoustics is sheehans which is next to the station...otherwise checkout academy of sound which is by st georges retail park :D dont go to the one in the shires, its wayyy overpriced AND they denied me a job...without even replying to my aplication!!!!

[Murray]

Yamaha Pacifica

102/120/112

What would you recommend?

[RadioBread]

yamaha is probably the best yeh. ot maybe and ibanez they are good well made long lasting guitars and you really do get your moneys worth out of it.

[no3chris]

acoustic first DEFINATELY if you want to play properly, like get really good, acoustic is a VERY good place to start. firstly, its cheaper. secondly, electrics are ALOT harder to maintain...if you have a fault with an acouswtic, there arnt many options as to what it could be :p thridly, you get a BIG confidence boost when you progres to electric, as they're much faster to play etc. i wouldn't ever start a person on an electric, acoustics concentrate much harder on the actual playing involved, not effects etc. go for an acoustic or an electro-acoustic...only one thing, try to get one that allows access to all the frets...i.e. has a body cutaway under the fretboard so your hand goes all the way up :D

edit: you live in leicester....well best place for acoustics is sheehans which is next to the station...otherwise checkout academy of sound which is by st georges retail park :D dont go to the one in the shires, its wayyy overpriced AND they denied me a job...without even replying to my aplication!!!!


theres 2 aos's in leicester ?!, i dont live in leicester but i go their to go in aos... its near a really tall building and its near a busy road where theres a kfc, and i know where sheehans is but is their any other good shops? lol

[donbenjy]

nononono that AOS i the one you mean i meant dont go 2 the other guitar shop in the shires shopping centre, thats called musicianshop.com but its quite small AOS is the best :D theres another one slightly out of town, a corner shop, called humbuckers...but thats quite smallish too, good range of axes tho

[fiona_j]

Right,

I live in Loughborough so not far from Leicester. I've been looking on ebay and noticed this:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3774547915

I'm not sure what you mean about access to all the frets. I'm sure I'll get the hang of this as soon as I start into it.

If I cant buy anything on line, I'll take a wonder into Leicester next weekend and take a look at those shops. I want to learn properly so I guess some musci books are in order too.

fi x

[sog-fish]

it's a super bad idea to buy off ebay for musical instruments... go to your nearest guitar shop, there'll probably be a specialist and guitars starting at about 50 quid, then if anything goes wrong you have a guarantee and aftercare and help etc, its just not worth it on the internet!

[Cheesy Grin]

I started off with a Cheri Stratocaster (Fender Copy) and seeing as tis all i got I still play it. Its a really good guitar to learn on i reckon. Try get a neck with a big radius on it cause ots more comfortable and i think its what makes pacificas feel good, but you cant go wrong with a strat

[Bjorny]

I think this is the right place to put this.

Basically, I've been playing around with guitars for a while but never owned my own, just borrowed my mates. I would like to buy one but I have no idea what kind of guitar would suit a beginner. I'm not interested in buying anything electrical until I know I can actually play.

Any suggestions?

fi x

Acoustic, whatever this bunch say. Crafter and Yamaha make nice budget acoustics

[pink_ego_box62]

I bought me a pacifica 112 2 months ago. Got it in a sale, brand new for £100!! And its silver :D . Planned to spend £200 on amp and guitar so bought line 6 spider 2 practice for £100. Together they produce very muse sounds, (what i was aiming for naturally) :) . Multiple amp modes and effects help of course :)

[pink_ego_box62]

sry, missed the posts before- didnt realise u were talking about accoustics.... :(

[donbenjy]

Right,

I live in Loughborough so not far from Leicester. I've been looking on ebay and noticed this:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3774547915

I'm not sure what you mean about access to all the frets. I'm sure I'll get the hang of this as soon as I start into it.

If I cant buy anything on line, I'll take a wonder into Leicester next weekend and take a look at those shops. I want to learn properly so I guess some musci books are in order too.

fi x

access to all the frets means that you can't slide your hand up on that guitar becauyse the body is in the way...you want a cutaway if you want to reach all the frets, which is important if you wanna play muse :D

i think academy of sound (near st georges retail park) or sheans (next to train station) are the best shops, the one in the shires is abit poopy and overpriced (and didnt want to hire me!)

[no3chris]

which one is the one in the shires? is that the one near a very tall building and a pub lol, and a motorway sorta.. or is the the retail park one

[donbenjy]

i thinkt hats AoS you mean, the shires is the shopping centre near the clock tower. the shop in it is opposite virgin, but its quite new so you might not have seen it. its called "musicianshop.com" and has red lettering...you can check the website (guess what it is :p)

[no3chris]

oh i see, i thought u meant there was 2 aos's lol ive been on that website it was complete shit last time i was on it

[Richardlester1989]

I seriosly recommend a Yamaha Pacifica 120 SJ, I own one and feel its better than my Epiphone Les Paul SG (weird hybrid guitar). Its been reviewed as being as good as a fender telecaster.

Matt used to use one in the early showbiz gigs (it had slighty different pickups though).

I like it so much I'm modding it (intergrating a Fuzz factory and mxr phase 90) to be a crappy take on a Manson Silver Mattocaster till I can afford a bomber manson replica.

You can get a Yamaha 120SJ for £135 at PieDog, search on google for the link.

Get one, there pefect for beginners and look great.

[Splinter]

Ok I'm not really a beginner anymore, but I still want some advice. I've been playing guitar for about a year and a half now, and I'm thinking about buying a new guitar. Right now I've got an Ibanez GRX70, which plays and sounds good too me, but I haven't played on a different guitar yet... It was in a starter pack, combined with an amp (shitty starter amp, 15 watt or something). Now I have bought a new amp, which is a London City 100W tube amp. I'm getting a 4x12" cab soon, and I'm looking around for some effect pedals. Of course, being a Muse fan, I want loads of different effects but I'm thinking about a new guitar first. Now i've heard a lot about those yamaha pacifica's, but I dunno if it's such a big improvement from my current guitar. My budget is about €300-€400. Any advice?

[Dramatic Hammer]

You're probably best off looking at any Ibanez at the top end of your budget.... There's also various Epiphones and Mexican Fenders you could try out.

[raininginspace]

Ok I'm not really a beginner anymore, but I still want some advice. I've been playing guitar for about a year and a half now, and I'm thinking about buying a new guitar. Right now I've got an Ibanez GRX70, which plays and sounds good too me, but I haven't played on a different guitar yet... It was in a starter pack, combined with an amp (shitty starter amp, 15 watt or something). Now I have bought a new amp, which is a London City 100W tube amp. I'm getting a 4x12" cab soon, and I'm looking around for some effect pedals. Of course, being a Muse fan, I want loads of different effects but I'm thinking about a new guitar first. Now i've heard a lot about those yamaha pacifica's, but I dunno if it's such a big improvement from my current guitar. My budget is about €300-€400. Any advice?

You can get a really good guitar on eBay for a cheap price. Just do some searching. I rarely use any of my other guitars since buying my Strat on eBay. I think I got it for $600-700 USD. Pretty good price for an American Strat that probably sells for $1500. Effects are where you'll drop big money. There's so much demand for them, you actually don't get much of a bargain shopping on eBay.

[Alec Trevelyan]

Mexican Fenders you could try out.

No stay away from Tacocasters! They're a waste of money.


My first guitar was Epiphone SG and I still play it and its a great sounding guitar and I bought it used for $250.00 CDN.

[Splinter]

Yeah I thought about an Epiphone, and I'll probably go get one. It will the Les Paul Special 2 or something more expensive like the les paul standard. Dunno for sure yet.

[-Reborn-]

Sorry to drag this thread back from the grave but..

Ive been interested in starting playing the guitar for some time, but cant afford it yet... then it hit me, its christmas in 2 months, so I could try get one then.

I read through this thread, have read through similar threads on other sites, and generally spent along time reading.

So far Ive come to either getting the Yamaha Pacifica 112 or the 012 version.
The thing thats currently swaying me towards the 012 is that there are several places that sell it with an amp and cable, where as the 112 only comes on its own.
They are roughly the same price, even with the amp included with the 012.

So I put it to you:

Do you reccomend I get a 112 for around £150 and then get an amp seperately, or get a 012 with amp for around £145 ?

I havnt been able to find any reviews which suggest one is much better then the other, but I assume there must be something better about the 112. or it wouldnt cost that amount.



Im mainly goinging for a musy sort of sound, which seems to lead me to either of these guitars. Both have the same pickups, same design and seem to be the same in pretty much every way..:unsure:

Thanks

[Bjorny]

Sorry to drag this thread back from the grave but..

....

Thanks

That little 10W amp won't be much cop, though. I'd be tempted to buy the 112, an amp, and ask the shop very nicely to throw in a strap and cable. Might be £50 more, but I think the quality difference in the amp will be large.

[Splinter]

Well it depends on how serious you are about playing the guitar. If you plan to keep playing till you die then I suggest you go with the 112. If you want to try to learn guitar but you're not sure if you're gonna keep playing guitar (ie: it seems harder then you thought) then I suggest you get the 012 package. I started with an Ibanez starter pack and I regret it. I was really serious about guitar playing and I was pretty sure I would be playing for a long time to come. Starter pack amps are really shitty and I would suggest you buy something better which has sound descent sound to it. It will cost some more but then again, you probably wont have to upgrade as soon. I don't mean go tube instantly but you can get a descent 30W combo amp for about €200, which would be about 130 pounds (I guess).

Compare this (http://reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Guitar/product/Yamaha/Pacifica+012/10/1) with this (http://reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Guitar/product/Yamaha/Pacifica+112/10/1) and make a decision.

[because]

112 and vox pathfinder!

[-Reborn-]

Well obviously I cant say for certain that i will take to playing the guitar and will like it, but im determined to learn and see it as something that I will really enjoy doing , now and later in life..
Having looked at both of those sites, the 112 seems more popula :)

Ive got a friend who had been playing about 7+ years now, and his dad has played for much longer, so he knows his stuff. Im going to get him to come with me to the logal music shop where Ive seen a poster saying "Yamaha Sold Here " (or words to that effect). Ill get him to give his oppinion and make sure im not mislead by the shop assistant :p


As for amps, what would you suggest ?
I imagin to begin with I will just be playing to myself, but Ive got a few mate who play guitar, one that plays bass and someone who plays drums, so I could be playing with them, though I think a stage performance might wait till im a bit better :happy:


The Vox Pathfinder seems to be rasonable, and with the guitar should come to around £200, a nice round figure :p
It looks like it has would give more variables (for lack of a better word), in the the yamaha one basically only had a on/off swith and a volume dial, where as the Pathfinder has more like Gain, Boost, Tremolo, Reverb, treble and bass.

Idealy Id like to stick to a cheaper amp, less than £60

And other suggestions ?

[Bjorny]

Never played a Pathfinder, myself, but yes, you're quite right, it will give many more tonal options and will sound much better than the weedy little freebie amp. I quite like the little Roland Cube amps, too, personally. They do a tiny 15W version, that is only £59. The slightly bigger 30W is alot more money, but has built in effects, which is worth considering.

Anyway, depends on what the shop sells, really, as you'd be best to buy it all off one place- they are likely then to bung in the bits and bobs (cable, strap, plectrums) for free.

[-Reborn-]

Well after looking around the internet Ive found this

http://www.gear4music.com/pimages/large_112xjsl.jpg

This is the only site ive seen selling silver 112s, and I love it :happy:
The plan is now to go to the shop and try/listen to some different guitars, including a 112, and then if I like it get this silver one.
The only problem with that being that I can't now ask the shop to throw some extras in, and whilst typing this ive realised that there are quite a few extras (Strap, Stand, Bag, Tuner, Cables, Plectrums)

[Ash]

Well, I've only posted in this thread once before, but I'll shit a brick if I didn't tell you to buy a 112.

[Ash]

Mines got a few knocks and scratches. It adds character ;)

I didn't actually, what the fuck is going on?

112.

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

Ok I'm not really a beginner anymore, but I still want some advice. I've been playing guitar for about a year and a half now, and I'm thinking about buying a new guitar. Right now I've got an Ibanez GRX70, which plays and sounds good too me, but I haven't played on a different guitar yet... It was in a starter pack, combined with an amp (shitty starter amp, 15 watt or something). Now I have bought a new amp, which is a London City 100W tube amp. I'm getting a 4x12" cab soon, and I'm looking around for some effect pedals. Of course, being a Muse fan, I want loads of different effects but I'm thinking about a new guitar first. Now i've heard a lot about those yamaha pacifica's, but I dunno if it's such a big improvement from my current guitar. My budget is about €300-€400. Any advice?

There's also various Epiphones and Mexican Fenders you could try out.

Given the nature of the amp you're getting, I'd go with Muserist. I own pretty much the same amp and find the volumes that I can use it at are best suited to single coils, humbuckers can sound a bit dull, they are awesome if you can turn up to 10, but I imagine that'll be rarely and you'll never manage that at a gig, where you'd be lucky to get it up to 3 to be perfectly honest.
So I'd recommend a Fender of some description. Play clean with the neck pickup on one of those and you'd be in heaven :happy:

[Splinter]

Given the nature of the amp you're getting, I'd go with Muserist. I own pretty much the same amp and find the volumes that I can use it at are best suited to single coils, humbuckers can sound a bit dull, they are awesome if you can turn up to 10, but I imagine that'll be rarely and you'll never manage that at a gig, where you'd be lucky to get it up to 3 to be perfectly honest.
So I'd recommend a Fender of some description. Play clean with the neck pickup on one of those and you'd be in heaven :happy:

Thnx for the advice, but I already bought an Epiphone. Les Paul Standard Plus, which sounds a whole lot better then my previous guitar, even on my shitty amp. We'll see how it sounds on my tube amp when I get my cabinet.

[Fernando]

If you want a guitar that's affordable (and Muse-ish), from my experience I would go with an Ibanez. They play rather well (I like how they play better than any other non-custom guitar), sound fine, and I hear that before Bellamy started playing Manson guitars, he used Ibanez, which is encouraging. I currently play an RG series on that I got for $300, which is fairly affordable, and it's a good guitar, although I plan on buying an S series once I get the money together, because S's are so... amazingly beautiful (to look at too, but primarily play)

[the_man361]

If you want a guitar that's affordable (and Muse-ish), from my experience I would go with an Ibanez. They play rather well (I like how they play better than any other non-custom guitar), sound fine, and I hear that before Bellamy started playing Manson guitars, he used Ibanez, which is encouraging. I currently play an RG series on that I got for $300, which is fairly affordable, and it's a good guitar, although I plan on buying an S series once I get the money together, because S's are so... amazingly beautiful (to look at too, but primarily play)
talking of ibanez, i got a GSZ120 for £120. its pretty damned good, holds tune and sounds pretty nice. i replaced the bridge pickup and its a total axe.

[Mneme]

I'm very fond of the Gibson Explorer--it's very comfortable to play, has great sustain, and well, it looks very nice! They are very exy however, so I was very fortunate to find a Dean Z sunburst, which is exactly like the Gibson but about $500 cheaper, and it has custom DiMarzios to boot--I got this guitar for $170 US (about 80 pounds)--no case however, so I'm still looking for one! It needs a little electrical work--it's used, obviously--but I just love it and it's a screamer--great for Stockhom Syndrome! I put it through a mini Marshall stack, which I have to say, makes a big noise and attracts a lot of attention--it also looks very nice in my sitting room!

But, for what it's worth, you can't beat going to a good guitar shop, preferably one that deals in used equipment, and just asking and trying out what suits you in your price range. All these suggestions are good--Fender, Ibanez, Yamaha, Epiphone, Dean :D ...you're bound to find something to suit you!

[MarkOfTheProblematique!!!]

ive got an epiphone les paul flame top custom and it is incredible

their many of the higher epiphone products, so yeah they are going to be much more reliable than the cheap options

i personally love it:)

great pickups and a neck with a lovely fluid feel

might mod the bridge pickup sometime when i have the cash

well worth the £360 i paid for it:D

the VOX AD15VT is a very reliable bedroom amp too:LOL:

[Ross]

ive got an epiphone les paul flame top custom and it is incredible

their many of the higher epiphone products, so yeah they are going to be much more reliable than the cheap options

i personally love it:)

great pickups and a neck with a lovely fluid feel

might mod the bridge pickup sometime when i have the cash

well worth the £360 i paid for it:D

the VOX AD15VT is a very reliable bedroom amp too:LOL:
Am I still getting your old squire to fuck about with :p

how the hell do you get so much money anyway :(

[MarkOfTheProblematique!!!]

yes indeedy you are :P

ive been saving since last october

[leehead3]

Ok, that's it! I'm getting a guitar. I've saved enough money and I've wanted one for a while now. Does anyone know of a good one for around $400 - $500 Dollars?

Thanks!
Michelle

hi id reccomend a ibanez destroyer (DT-555) great guitar and if ur not into heavy metal guitars maybe a fender stratocaster vintage (the squeir versions cheaper) hope im help :LOL:

[the_man361]

i started off with a yamaha pacifica, i think that was around the £120 mark, twas a good guitar

[Alec Trevelyan]

(the squeir versions cheaper)

WHATEVER YOU DO DO NOT BUY A SQUEIR. They're like playing a wet noodle.

I say go for a Epiphone (Lower Branch of Gibson), you'd easily find a kickass used one in great shape for $300.

[coffee_and_tv]

WHATEVER YOU DO DO NOT BUY A SQUEIR. They're like playing a wet noodle.

I say go for a Epiphone (Lower Branch of Gibson), you'd easily find a kickass used one in great shape for $300.

squier teles are better than any of the shit epi pumps out

[YellowSphere]

squier teles are better than any of the shit epi pumps outTruth.

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

squier teles are better than any of the shit epi pumps out

:yesey:

i'd go as far to say the best guitar in the £100-200 range, highly underrated because everyone tries the strat....

[coffee_and_tv]

strats are shit. doesnt matter who makes them or how much they cost. theyre still shit.

unless, of course, they have a tele neck, tele pickups, tele electronics, tele bridge and tele body

i would play that strat.

and possibly enjoy it.

[the_man361]

strats are shit. doesnt matter who makes them or how much they cost. theyre still shit.

unless, of course, they have a tele neck, tele pickups, tele electronics, tele bridge and tele body

i would play that strat.

and possibly enjoy it.

hahahah :LOL:

[Alec Trevelyan]

squier teles are better than any of the shit epi pumps out

Thats a good joke... i even laughed. :D

[Mneme]

i started off with a yamaha pacifica, i think that was around the £120 mark, twas a good guitar

I tried one of these--very good instrument! Handled very nicely...ended up, however, getting the Dean Z-Explorer as it was less exy...prolly should have gotten the Yamaha as it came with a case, unlike the Dean! Live and learn...

[the_man361]

yeh, for the price theyre are a good guitar

[Mneme]

yeh, for the price theyre are a good guitar

I forget now--what's your axe? Have you tried a Dean by chance?

*glances at Dean Z gathering dust on stand*

[the_man361]

no, ive not tried a dean..

im currently using an epiphone les paul custom and an ibanez gsz120 with a bareknuckle pickup in..

i think if you can find a cheaper guitar that plays nice, then all you need do is replace the pickup and its godly :)

[Mneme]

^ I agree...I can't tell you how much money I've wasted over the years learning that lesson! For example, always loved the 'look' of the Explorer, then tried one, still liked it, but balked at the $700 price tag...then I found this Dean, which looked as good, if not better, than the Gibson, sounded just as good, if not better, and got it for so much less $ than the Gibson...lesson learned! (Finally! :D )

And Epiphones are just great--friend has an Epiphone Les Paul, it's a wonderful guitar...

[coffee_and_tv]

Thats a good joke... i even laughed. :D

...


ahem...



what?


epi is shit.

(imo, before any of you lespaulophiles start flaming me;)

some gibsons are ok, but eh..


teles are where its at.


RIGHT, BOYS?

[she_had_a_username]

I used to have a squier fat tele :happy: It rocked my socks.

I had to sell it to pay for my jaguar though :(

Does anyone know what those squier custom telecasters with the p90's are like?

[the_man361]

i think epiphone are decent for what theyre worth

[james90]

...


ahem...



what?


epi is shit.

(imo, before any of you lespaulophiles start flaming me;)

some gibsons are ok, but eh..


teles are where its at.


RIGHT, BOYS?

Yes, but I don't have one...flame me for having a strat if you want. Go on :(

The only epi's I like are those elitist ones...they cost almost as much as a Gibson though.

[coffee_and_tv]

Yes, but I don't have one...flame me for having a strat if you want. Go on :(

The only epi's I like are those elitist ones...they cost almost as much as a Gibson though.

*flames*

;)

happy? :p

[the_man361]

whaaat?

epiphones are great! at least, mine is o_O

my guitar rocks, it plays like the best guitar ive played in a long time (ive played some very good guitars) and when i replaced the pickups it sounded phenominal

theyre built well, but made with cheap parts imo. replace what matters and you have a quality budget axe

[coffee_and_tv]

whaaat?

epiphones are great! at least, mine is o_O

my guitar rocks, it plays like the best guitar ive played in a long time (ive played some very good guitars) and when i replaced the pickups it sounded phenominal

theyre built well, but made with cheap parts imo. replace what matters and you have a quality budget axe

ive always thought they felt cheap and sounded... well...

add to that my already present dislike of angled necks and the feel of humbuckers... and yeah

to each his own i guess




but still.. EPIS ARE SHIT :happy: *giggles inanely*

[the_man361]

*eye twitches*

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

Epi SG's play better than the piles of crap gibson make these days.... but once you've touched an early 70's SG, there's no way you can play either of them :LOL:

[coffee_and_tv]

*eye twitches*

:p

[boab]

I used to have a squier fat tele :happy: It rocked my socks.

I had to sell it to pay for my jaguar though :(

Does anyone know what those squier custom telecasters with the p90's are like?

The Custom's are fantastic for their price, play better and sound better than some far more expensive guitars.

[james90]

Epi SG's play better than the piles of crap gibson make these days.... but once you've touched an early 70's SG, there's no way you can play either of them :LOL:

I like my gibsons, but they definitely aren't perfect (lots of finish flaws on some, but worst problem is the sharp frets on my SG, but that's partially my fault)... new ones right now seem to be worse than ever. (newest one I have is 2006, and it's good at best).

My $200 mexican made squier strat (flame me again coffee :p ) on the other hand was perfect when I got it recently, but I've given it the Haze treatment since! Still plays fine but it's beat to hell.

[coffee_and_tv]

I like my gibsons, but they definitely aren't perfect (lots of finish flaws on some, but worst problem is the sharp frets on my SG, but that's partially my fault)... new ones right now seem to be worse than ever. (newest one I have is 2006, and it's good at best).

My $200 mexican made squier strat (flame me again coffee :p ) on the other hand was perfect when I got it recently, but I've given it the Haze treatment since! Still plays fine but it's beat to hell.

only if i must

*flames again*

can you take any more? :p




actually one of the guitars i usually record with is my mates old japanese squier strat




but its not fun :p

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

I like my gibsons, but they definitely aren't perfect (lots of finish flaws on some, but worst problem is the sharp frets on my SG, but that's partially my fault)... new ones right now seem to be worse than ever. (newest one I have is 2006, and it's good at best).

i just hate the necks on modern SG's, really fat and unplayable, it takes the piss when you compare it to what they made in the 60's and 70's.
so very different to fender where the quality thesedays is just as good as what they were making in the 70's.

[she_had_a_username]

The Custom's are fantastic for their price, play better and sound better than some far more expensive guitars.

Cheers!

I'm not planning on getting a new guitar, but I do generally love the sound of p90's, and for only £160 odd it looked pretty sweet.

One daaayy...

[nirajp]

Sorry to bump this thread again but I need some guitar upgrade advice.

Not too keen on the Pacifica's to be honest, neither the Stratocaster's either.

I'm looking to spend around £250ish (max £300) on the guitar and £100-150 on a decent amp.

Right now I'm looking at a Squier Tele Custom II (http://www.squierguitars.com/products/search.php?partno=0327602506), which was £180 in soundcontrol and a Roland Cube 20x.

Anyway I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations for this type of price.

[the_man361]

get a Squier Tele Custom II and a Roland Cube 20x.

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

get a Squier Tele Custom II and a Roland Cube 20x.

squier tele's are generally awesome..... please don't reply going on how much you hate squiers until you've tried the tele (not the squier strat) through a decent tube amp. hugely underrated and it's shocking, anyone who disses them is full of shit and shouldn't be listened to.

[bshuker]

best guitar for beginner is whichever one they like the most in the shop because they'll play it more. it doesn't matter what it sounds or looks like at first, as long as it plays in tune and they keep picking the thing up

[MarkOfTheProblematique!!!]

Epi SG's play better than the piles of crap gibson make these days.... but once you've touched an early 70's SG, there's no way you can play either of them :LOL:

I recently got a vintage epi SG and it's really a good guitar for price (190 squid :D)

i chucked in a nailbomb and its now actually one of my best axes! :D
neck's ded smooth and thin, easy access frets, its all good :)

[red]

no it isnt. compared to a wizard 2 or a jackson its a fucking cricket bat.

[Mneme]

Yeah, a Jackson is very very nice, but a little exy for a beginner, perhaps!

Still, here's a nice one:

http://www.jacksonguitars.com/products/search.php?partno=2900013528

You all know my weakness for the Explorer design...at least it's red, Red! :D

[red]

the headstock is teh ming.

as for a good first guitar, weve settle this argument,

yamaha pacifica :/

*close thread*

[MarkOfTheProblematique!!!]

no it isnt. compared to a wizard 2 or a jackson its a fucking cricket bat.

that's your opinion and what you like in a guitar, i feel this guitars perfect for me

end.

[red]

that's your opinion and what you like in a guitar, i feel this guitars perfect for me

end.

it isnt an opinon mate, its a fact. if its fine for you then i couldnt give a fuck, have a banna, but dont go misleading people saying


neck's ded smooth and thin, easy access frets, its all good :)

compared to my ibanez it fucking isnt it IS like a cricket bat in comparison, i can get the dimentions if you want to split hairs and be a cocksmoker.

[MarkOfTheProblematique!!!]

it isnt an opinon mate, its a fact. if its fine for you then i couldnt give a fuck, have a banna, but dont go misleading people saying


compared to my ibanez it fucking isnt it IS like a cricket bat in comparison, i can get the dimentions if you want to split hairs and be a cocksmoker.

sorry mate but too far.

your being very childish arguing over a fucking guitar.

ive got it, i deal with it.

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

sorry mate but too far.

your being very childish arguing over a fucking guitar.

ive got it, i deal with it.

actually, red is right, if you've ever used an ibanez, or even a vintage gibson, the necks on epi's and especially modern gibson sg's are like cricket bats.
that's not opinion, opinion is whether you prefer a fatter neck or a thin one, personally i like the thicker neck you get with tele's, but not gibsons, they feel wrong, ibanez necks are cool.

[red]

sorry mate but too far.

your being very childish arguing over a fucking guitar.

ive got it, i deal with it.

you should have seen teh first draft, i was on a roll but i decided to lighten it up.

[MarkOfTheProblematique!!!]

actually, red is right, if you've ever used an ibanez, or even a vintage gibson, the necks on epi's and especially modern gibson sg's are like cricket bats.
that's not opinion, opinion is whether you prefer a fatter neck or a thin one, personally i like the thicker neck you get with tele's, but not gibsons, they feel wrong, ibanez necks are cool.

oh right, well, this neck on my SG is kinda thin(ish), i prefer a bit of thickness (ive got large hands :LOL:)

nah i dont like gibson necks, their too too thick for me. dont take me wrong, i really like ibanezes but their not my fav guitars, necks are nice, but too thin for me :LOL:

[red]

>_<

[the_man361]

http://deadstar11.skyrock.com/pics/244487307.jpg

[RheairdFlyer]

Sorry to bring this thread up from the grave, but I didn't want to make a new thread ;o

WHICH TO CHOOSE?
I'm getting my first electric, (already own an acoustic), and I need help.
I think I've narrowed it down to these two guitars:
The ol' Yamaha Pacifica 112 (Probably in Red if it matters) :
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Yamaha-PAC112J-Electric-Guitar?sku=511077

And a Squier Telecaster Custom:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Squier-Tele-Custom-Electric-Guitar?sku=515113

The only thing I'm afraid of is that I won't be able to afford a Fender Tele, but would have to go with a Squier. Which one is recommended?

If you want to know what my favorite bands are, they include Muse, Rage Against The Machine, The Hives, Malajube, Arctic Monkeys, so I want something that can do a similar sound to that.

Also, I'm looking for an amp as well. Thinking about a Roland Microcube, a 15x or a 20x. Is the extra money worth it to get a 20 over a 15? The extra effects look really cool, but I don't know if it's worth it if i'm just playing within the confines of my home.

Thanks

[red]

the effects are shit, youll never use them.

i would advice the 15x because you can spend money on a better pacifica. btw, yamaha FTW.

[whatshisface]

There's a Yamaha AES720 on musiciansfriend.com running for $300. It looks beautiful and it's a bargain. You should get that if you don't plan on buying any new guitars for a while.

[tyechan]

noooooooo it looks hideous imo.

http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/6/2/1/531621.jpg

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ibanez-SZ320GD-Electric-Guitar?sku=517534

you didnt say what your budget was but guessing around 150 pounds so here it is.

[red]

that ibanez couldnt be in a worse colour imo.

[tyechan]

hahha ye but ummm still much better than the aes70.

I dunno the colour is a little dodgy but ehh its probably soo cheap because of this hideous colour.

other option get a second hand guitar off ebay.

[Assassin231]

red is 100% right but I think he needs a chill pill :p

[whatshisface]

hahha ye but ummm still much better than the aes70.

I dunno the colour is a little dodgy but ehh its probably soo cheap because of this hideous colour.

other option get a second hand guitar off ebay.

yeah because shit gold looks sooo much better than all black hardware with a black and gray metallic body.... you must have some fucking artsy guitars then.

[tyechan]

nope not at all i have a weathered black ibanez rg

its just that because your guitar looks like THAT:

http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/4/2/2/275422.jpg

[whatshisface]

I honestly don't see why you think it looks ugly. I don't even own that guitar if that's what you meant by "my" guitar. To each their own I guess...

[RheairdFlyer]

I'll probably end up just getting the 15x Cube, unless there's another cheap practice amp you could recommend.

Getting the cheaper amp would probably let me spend a bit more on the guitar, so my spending limit on the guitar alone is probably between 200-300 US Dollars.

I personally think the AES is hideous, but that's just my opinion :stunned:

And to the Ibanez, I've heard they're mainly metal guitars, so they don't really interest me. Either way, i'm heading to a local Guitar Center soon to check them out.

Any other recommendations for my price range? Also, should I be going for single coils or humbuckers for the sound similar to my favorite bands? Or a hybrid like in the Pacificas?

Thanks again

[red]

they are as metal as the music you play through them, dildo.

[MicahGTi]

Here's what i went for - Pacifica 112 £195, and a couple o' amps and Sennheiser's off my mate for £60 :D

Piccie (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v131/micahgti/DSC00315.jpg)

Took me 5 days for this set-up, tuition cd thing coming in post tomoz, as well as 12 Tortex 0.73 yellow picks - good old eBay!

[Murray]

Is that one of the newer pacificas? Does it have a coil-tap function that you know of?

[red]

tortex yellows are for people who have an inward pointing penis. tortex blacks & blues FTW.

[Mobius]

tortex yellows are for people who have an inward pointing penis. tortex blacks & blues FTW.

Ooh, so thats what happened to mine...

[MicahGTi]

I don't even have a penis :D

[cheddatom]

I don't even have a penis :D

You need a Manson Mattocaster!

[neo20morais]

I'm also thinking in buy my first electric guitar...
My idea is get a sound like Muse...:D
I was thinking in the Pacifica 120SJ...

http://picasaweb.google.com/neo20morais/Yamaha/photo#5229598683334331250

can you give me some opinions...

thanks...;)

[jonbye]

I'm also thinking in buy my first electric guitar...
My idea is get a sound like Muse...:D
I was thinking in the Pacifica 120SJ...

http://picasaweb.google.com/neo20morais/Yamaha/photo#5229598683334331250

can you give me some opinions...

thanks...;)

I love this beautiful misconception that its the guitar that makes you sound like muse. Yes, a mississippi queen and a piezo will help, but what about the couple of grands worth of amps and effects. Buy a guitar that you like the sound and look of.

[MansonLazer]

You should probably get a vintage, I bough a VS6CG recently and it blows any epi SG style guitar out of the water. If you use a the right of distortion you could probably get a good sound for playing Muse from any guitar.

[Noel Gallagher]

One thing I don't understand is why a beginer feels like they have to start with a sub-standard guitar......It can't help things surely? You can get all these crappy Squiers etc and they are just awfull to play i find.

My first guitars where an American made Fender Strat and An Epiphone Sheraton II both top guitars well atleast the Fender is and I never looked back. Infact even since buying Various Fenders and Gibson I still use my Sheraton as my main guitar.

[Fernando]

Likewise you can get a good Muse sound for much cheaper buying a cheap guitar and leaving tons of distortion on your amp so the feedback goes crazy, and then grab the nearest cat and start swinging it around by the tail.

[milkybar=]]

IBANEZ SA260FM


love it (:

http://www.gear4music.com/Ibanez_SA260FM_Electric_Guitar_Ambersefv_5.html?ga d=COO_5foBEgjUTSM1_6-iXBi0mZL_AyDfv5AR


and pretty (:

[neo20morais]

I love this beautiful misconception that its the guitar that makes you sound like muse. Yes, a mississippi queen and a piezo will help, but what about the couple of grands worth of amps and effects. Buy a guitar that you like the sound and look of.

Thanks for the help with the pickups;), i thinking in buy the mississippi queen and a fernandes sustainer (the last one not so soon 'cause its a little bit expensive:()...

And what about the effects? which would you buy if you had a thinny wallet?

Thanks...;)

[gim_gam]

Been looking at some of he suggestions that you guys have been offering for the beginners and wondered if anyone could help me.
I'm a total n00b to guitar but it's something i've been wanting to learn for so long. I'm looking to buy my own in the near future, willing to spend around the £200 mark. Not looking to play a particular style, just want something of a good sound quality for the price.
Any help or pointers greatly appriciated :happy:

Also just wondering if it's worth getting a left or right handed guitar. I am left handed but seeing as I can't play there shouldn't be to much of a problem learning to play right handed. I read somewhere that it's potentially easier to learn right handed because most guides are written this way. Again, any help is appriciated

[grabacr 31770]

Been looking at some of he suggestions that you guys have been offering for the beginners and wondered if anyone could help me.
I'm a total n00b to guitar but it's something i've been wanting to learn for so long. I'm looking to buy my own in the near future, willing to spend around the £200 mark. Not looking to play a particular style, just want something of a good sound quality for the price.
Any help or pointers greatly appriciated :happy:

Also just wondering if it's worth getting a left or right handed guitar. I am left handed but seeing as I can't play there shouldn't be to much of a problem learning to play right handed. I read somewhere that it's potentially easier to learn right handed because most guides are written this way. Again, any help is appriciated

About the left right handed, most guitars are manufactured in right hand and so left handed guitars are often more expensive and hard to come by. My advice; get down to anywhere with a guitar. It doesn't need to be turned on or anything. Just pick it up and strum an open chord. You will play it the way that feels most natural. Try left and right handed way rounds, and whichever hand feels more natural on the neck and which hand feels more natural strumming is the way to go.

As for guitar, you've got a good attitude, not too fussed about the perfect sound. Try and get to a guitar shop, but when I bought a guitar I wasn't able to do this so couldn't find a type I 'like'. No concern though, because if you set your mind on 1 type of guitar, you won't find a very good deal.

£200 won't go miles new, but second hand you'll have a ball. Get on to eBay and just look for any guitar. Bear in mind you'll need an amp too, but they're often cheap second hand. Just find one, if you like the look of it, buy it. Simple as. I got a lovely Washburn WI24 for £50- If you are able to spend £150 (£50 for amp/extras), you'll get a great deal.

Lol, a Squire Strat just went for £45. See what I mean.

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/i.html?LH_Price=0..150%40c&_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1%257C 72%253A3446&rt=nc&_nkw=electric+guitar&_mPrRngCbx=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_sop=3&_sc=1

Some unbelievable deals there. I spy a Yamaha Pacifica and amp, Ibanez's, Strats, and I'm on the first page. Good luck. Find one you like, tell us, we'll tell you if its good.

Cheers,
Ollie

[Drake]

Thank fuck for some decent advice up above, now to back up my outragous opinion with a testimonial.

my own, I am a left handed guitarist, and frankly its appalling that some manufacturers can get away with trying to sell shit to us lefties. Whats brilliant is there are a few manufacturers which will actually want your money and make a decent product. One of them is Tokai. Fuck gibson, and fuck fender. The reason being is their cnc routing is frankly uncomfortable for lefties to play, It is approximately x13945593 harder to find a decent instrument which actually sounds nice in left handed form.

Ibanez can also get fucked, for releasing nice models and then discontinuing them before I can buy them, the pricks.

[gim_gam]

Good luck. Find one you like, tell us, we'll tell you if its good.

Cheers,
Ollie

Thanks so much for all the help! Been messing with a guitar past couple of days and I just naturally picked it up right handed but i'm not convinced whether thats just becasue of the way it is strung. :erm:

I've been lurking on ebay, quite fancy yamaha pacifica, possibly 112 model. Any suggestions? Bad choice? :p

[jdeboer01]

Couldn't figure out where exactly to post this, but after nearly passing out laughing, I wanted to share it with the guitar players here. :D

John Petrucci shows the guitar n00bs how it's done:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkj19VarQx0

[AaronM1D1]

If you can pick up a Vintage V100 Les Paul for about 200 [like me :3]. I advise so.

But I've not played many guitars like the others have, so I have a limited scope on geetars, although they set it up perfectly and it sounds beautiful :)

[longan]

jdeboer01 uses thread revive
Its super effective!