The definitive "What order should my FX pedals be placed in?" thread

[zeuzman]

I am getting a whammy for my birthday, and i need help with effects setup.
When i get it i will have:

Whammy
Crybaby Wah
Electro Harmonix Big Muff
Boss DS-1 Distortion
Boss Chorus (double pedal)
Boss DD-3 Delay

How shall i set these up?

Cheers, (for the gizillionth time!)

Matt

[So Low]

I am getting a whammy for my birthday, and i need help with effects setup.
When i get it i will have:

Whammy
Crybaby Wah
Electro Harmonix Big Muff
Boss DS-1 Distortion
Boss Chorus (double pedal)
Boss DD-3 Delay

How shall i set these up?

Cheers, (for the gizillionth time!)

Matt



I have near enough the same set up :D

I think it's something like:

Guitar > wah . whammy > big muff > BOSS DS-1 > chrous > delay > amp


I think :S

[Noodles]

Any kind of gain device like distortion should come first in line I think, then you move on to modulation, like chorus or whammy...then finally you would have any echo devices...like Delay.

Also, try putting the whammy in your FX loop if you have one. :)

[Dalton]

no whammy comes first in line because you want the sound to come in to the whammy to be as dry as possible. and put the wah in front of your distortion/fuzz. it will sound better that way.

[Noodles]

no whammy comes first in line because you want the sound to come in to the whammy to be as dry as possible. and put the wah in front of your distortion/fuzz. it will sound better that way.


Tis a good point my friend! :D
I concur.....well other modulation comes after then. :p

[Dalton]

well don't be fooled by my signature :p

[Noodles]

well don't be fooled by my signature :p

;)

Actually, now you`ve mentioned your sig....that pic...do you know anything about Matts double cut les paul?
I know he customised it (Duh) but what is that on the body? it always looked like a bit of fretboard to me :confused:

[Dalton]

well before he had all his mansons, he used to stuck his effects on his guitar [hence the tape]. so he could run about with his guitar. he hadn't actually custumized it, by putting stuff in his guitar, he just stuck it on the body of the guitar :) his peavey wolffgang also got some tape on the sides
now you mention it.. that piece of "fretboard".. dunno what that is

[Noodles]

well before he had all his mansons, he used to stuck his effects on his guitar [hence the tape]. so he could run about with his guitar. he hadn't actually custumized it, by putting stuff in his guitar, he just stuck it on the body of the guitar :) his peavey wolffgang also got some tape on the sides

...He must have been made up to get shot of them when he got his mansons :D ahhhhh
...So you dont know what the fretboard looking bit is? ..if it is an FX wossname?

[Dalton]

...He must have been made up to get shot of them when he got his mansons :D ahhhhh
...So you dont know what the fretboard looking bit is? ..if it is an FX wossname?
No i don't know. i never saw him play with it either on live shows [e.i. fiddling with it live], so i don't know.

[Noodles]

No i don't know. i never saw him play with it either on live shows [e.i. fiddling with it live], so i don't know.

I just watched an old video of PIB and the tape is there...but no whatever it was..just bare body...I just Matt just likes taping fretboard to his guitar :p

[Dalton]

haha where he has blue hair? haha i saw that one also just a minute ago and i noticed the same thing! :D

[pluk]

back to the question at hand, i'd do it this way:

whammy -> wah -> ds1 -> muff -> chorus -> delay

if your amp has an effectsloop put the chorus and delay in there

i think driving the muff with the ds1 would sound cool, otherwise just switch them around or if you're never going to have both of them running at the same time it doesn't matter

[Biblical]

...He must have been made up to get shot of them when he got his mansons :D ahhhhh
...So you dont know what the fretboard looking bit is? ..if it is an FX wossname?

well at that stage on the picture (showbiz) he didnt have built in effects like the roland pickup preamp thingy, i think that is it



hypermuse

you use small cables called patch cables about 6 inches long each

[Appelstroop]

how much are these patch cable thingys

[Cerpin]

how much are these patch cable thingys

I bought a high quality one here in Norway for about 90 NOK. That`s around 7-8 Punds Sterling.

[pluk]

yeah, i use Cordial cables (30 cm, so that's about the same length i think)... they're 15 euro a piece, but really good so well worth the cash IMO... there are much cheaper cables as well, so it's all up to what kind of quality your looking for

but the important thing to know is: about 75% of the price of a cable are the plugs/connectors... so don't expect the price of a 6 inch cable to be 5% of that of a 20 ft one

[Biblical]

yeah, i use Cordial cables (30 cm, so that's about the same length i think)... they're 15 euro a piece, but really good so well worth the cash IMO... there are much cheaper cables as well, so it's all up to what kind of quality your looking for

but the important thing to know is: about 75% of the price of a cable are the plugs/connectors... so don't expect the price of a 6 inch cable to be 5% of that of a 20 ft one


you can get 6 really crappy ones for £6 or 2 for £12 from planet waves, if the PW ones break they instantly replace them.

[leo212a]

please may you knowledgable guitar boffins gimmie a hand with what order to put me pedals in...and i need to know what wires etc to buy

i have:
guitar
big muff
fender tuner
digitech multi-fx
boss phaser
dan electro 7 band eq
flextone 2 (with effects loop)

i am currently:
guitar --->big muff---> multi fx--->phaser--->amp

but a) i want to include the tuner (for obvious reasons) b) i want to include the eq as a volume booster/tone shaper and was told that to do so it needs to be in the effects loop of the amp, so i wondered what else should go in the effects loop.

cheers in advance...and it would be nice to know by 5ish today as i have band practice 2night so would need to get the leads for effects loop etc

thanks

leo

[Biblical]

please may you knowledgable guitar boffins gimmie a hand with what order to put me pedals in...and i need to know what wires etc to buy

i have:
guitar
big muff
fender tuner
digitech multi-fx
boss phaser
dan electro 7 band eq
flextone 2 (with effects loop)

i am currently:
guitar --->big muff---> multi fx--->phaser--->amp

but a) i want to include the tuner (for obvious reasons) b) i want to include the eq as a volume booster/tone shaper and was told that to do so it needs to be in the effects loop of the amp, so i wondered what else should go in the effects loop.

cheers in advance...and it would be nice to know by 5ish today as i have band practice 2night so would need to get the leads for effects loop etc

thanks

leo

guitar-bigmuff-tuner-multieffects-Amp
phaser-EQ-effects loop

get some planetwaves wires for it all

[leo212a]

cheers man...planet waves were already planned ;)
i can always relly on you biblical :D

[pluk]

i'd go: multi-fx >> muff >> amp and the loop like biblical said

if the multi-fx has a dry out or something throw the tuner on that, if not put it in first

it's all a matter of personal preference

[Indigo_River]

I'm thinking about investing in some new effects, namely a phaser, wah and some sort of delay in addition to the Big Muff and Whammy i already have, but i dont have an effects loop in my amp (im playing through a Marshall MG30DFX at the moment). Is there an order these effects should be placed in that would minimize any loss of tone and maximise their effect?i remember seeing a topic about this ages ago but twas vapourised long ago it seems!

[pluk]

http://www.muse.mu/board/showthread.php?t=636
http://www.muse.mu/board/showthread.php?t=1080
http://www.muse.mu/board/showthread.php?t=1123

[dymund]

Big Muff -> Whammy -> Wah -> Phaser -> Delay is the way id do it.

[Indigo_River]

lol ok the thread(s) weren't vapourised so thanks very much, now i know how many leads to buy!

[Britrock]

Guitar -> whammy -> wah -> big muff -> phaser -> delay -> amp

Would be how I'd do it.

[agitatedbells]

i put my wah in front of my whammy, i u have the whammy depressed on dive bomb setting, and use the wah, the guitar roars he he

[kev]

since,as pluk pointed out, there's many of threads like these. i'm going to make this the definitive one and merge future ones.

i'm gonna change the title slightly but don't worry indigo_river its not going to be "click here to see me go down on a goat" it'll just be a minor adjustment ;)

[So Low]

now you mention it.. that piece of "fretboard".. dunno what that is

From what I've read and heard and guessed, I think that peice of "fretboard" is actually his disotortion pedal taken apart and the circuit for it taped to his guitar, much like his inbuilt distortion on his mansons, except that was how he managed it on a budget before he got the mansons.

[the_realist]

I read somewhere that Tom Morrello puts all his effects (although thats not many) through his amplifier effects loop. What advantage (if any) does this have ?

I put my effects in series between my guitar and amp, which is

guitar-->wah-->FF-->delay-->flanger-->EQ-->amp

...but thats probably wrong anyway !

[Palo Alto]

i dont use the effect loop on my amp, the effects seem not as strong when they are.

[YellowSphere]

don't use the effects loop, and switch the delay and the flanger around

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

don't use the effects loop, and switch the delay and the flanger around

Delay going through any modulation effect sounds much better in my opinon, also try a delay going into a whammy

[YellowSphere]

eh, i'm conventional, maybe if i had seperate delay as opposed to multi effects i would put it somewhere else, but i don't

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

eh, i'm conventional, maybe if i had seperate delay as opposed to multi effects i would put it somewhere else, but i don't

I don't like sticking to convention, I like to be different and original, even if no one likes it, at least I'm not following the crowd or doing what I am told to do.

Obviously if convention is the best way to do something i.e. wah into distortion (sounds good the other way round, but the volume changes are too extreme), then I'll go along with it, but for everything else experiment and don't go with something just because somebody said its the best way to do something

[kev]

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[YellowSphere]

I don't like sticking to convention, I like to be different and original, even if no one likes it, at least I'm not following the crowd or doing what I am told to do.

Obviously if convention is the best way to do something i.e. wah into distortion (sounds good the other way round, but the volume changes are too extreme), then I'll go along with it, but for everything else experiment and don't go with something just because somebody said its the best way to do something

yeah, i would try to do that if i had seperate effects as oppossed to multi effects. Theres this amp at school with built in effects (Fender Deluxe 90) and if you set it to delay and then fiddle with the depth/rate knob it squeals and changes the pitch.

[Britrock]

Delay sounds best last in any chain because then it can repeat the sounds that you've created.

Although I've never had it anywhere else, so I wouldn't know what it sounded like, but I may try it later...

[Britrock]

Oh, and the FX loop is to make your tone better, because pedals fuck about with it. If they're all in the loop, you have a direct signal from guitar > amp, thus making the tone better.

[YellowSphere]

Oh, and the FX loop is to make your tone better, because pedals fuck about with it. If they're all in the loop, you have a direct signal from guitar > amp, thus making the tone better.
but there are some things you wouldn't put in the effects loop, eg. whammy and wah, because that's just incredibly stupid. Also, because its true bypass, there's no point putting a FF or FP in effects loop.
Just put modulation effects into the effects loop and leave everything else outside...if you really wanted to, i suppose you could put delay between the amp output and the cab...

[Palo Alto]

I have my whammy first in the chain, as since its got a shit bypass i want it to have as much good guitar signal as possible. My amp is old so i guess its effect loop is just shit because of that, its just that when i put anything through it, it sounds so weak.

I dont think there is a rule on what chain you have your effects in. I mean, to put it simply, it depends on the users preference. Put a delay in front of distortion if you want the delay distorted, put the distortion in front of the delay if you want the disotortion delayed. Simple as.

Pie

[YellowSphere]

me thinks a correction needs to be made to that last post, palo alto...

[Palo Alto]

I was tired

[YellowSphere]

thats okay ;)

[zeuzman]

Hi. I am wondering if you can tell me how to use an effects loop on a marshall amp. Do you have the line out from your pedals going into the loop and then an additional lead going into the amp?

Please help!

[Ernest]

dude.... plug you guitar into the amp as usual... the take a lead out of the effects loop ( effects loop send or out ) into your effects. after that... take a lead from your effects ( output from effects ) back into your amp ( effects return or in )..
should work no prob...... not sure what amp you have so you may have a switch to select the effects loop... but the are usually on more expencive amps...
lets rock.. :D

[YellowSphere]

Uhm, you have to have them the right way round, the send goes to the first effect in the chain, and the last lead goes to the return.
Don't put whammy or wah or true bypass effects in the loop, since the whammy and wah won't work properly in the effects loop and true bypasses dont effect the tone, which is what the effects loop is trying to stop, non true bypass pedals killing the tone.

[bassism]

I need help, i don't even know if it matters but do i need to arrange my bass effects in a certain order? i have a OD pedal and a multi effects pedal. is it bass --> multi --> OD --> Amp, or bass --> OD --> multi --> amp? :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Noodles]

I need help, i don't even know if it matters but do i need to arrange my bass effects in a certain order? i have a OD pedal and a multi effects pedal. is it bass --> multi --> OD --> Amp, or bass --> OD --> multi --> amp? :confused: :confused: :confused:

I`d say OD first normally, what effects do you normally use on the multi?

[YellowSphere]

which multi are you using? and I would put the OD first

[oMarKs]

No i don't know. i never saw him play with it either on live shows [e.i. fiddling with it live], so i don't know.

I reckon it's just a bit of fretboard of an older guitar he smashed up. Perhaps

[the_realist]

I reckon it's just a bit of fretboard of an older guitar he smashed up. Perhaps

Isn't it the copper plate from his wah probe ?

Anyway, back to the question in hand, after much messing around with my FX chain it seems my preferred order was:

guitar >whammy > wah > FF > phaser > delay > EQ > amp

The problem with this is that I can't get the FF to feedback properly - now it just rumbles instead of squealing. Is this something to do with the whammy and wah not being true bypass units ? Should I put the FF first in the chain ? :unsure:

[biohazard]

Yes, FF should come first in the chain.

[The Plugged In Baby]

I need help setting up my pedals, and the order in which I should place them. (I realise there are other threads about this, but I'd like to have replies to my question alone!! Call me a selfish bastard, but hey!)

I was fine until I got a Fuzz Factory yesterday. Before that I just had a Whammy Pedal and a ZOOM GFX404 multieffects pedal (this is not to become a Zoom bitching thread!). As I and you all know, the Whammy 'likes' coming first. All very well.

Now... when I use the the Fuzz Factory on its own, it's fine, and does what I want it to. ie. mimics Muse (my setting is 2:30 ; 3:15 ; 5:00 ; 5:00), which is like the Plug In Baby Live intro stuff if you play with the stab and the volume.

However, as soon as I put this in the effects loop, it no longer wishes to work like that. So what I'm asking is what order should I put them in, or do I need to adjust the settings on the Fuzz Factory to compensate?

Cheers for any help you can proffer,

Alex

[Palo Alto]

Theres no problem in putting the FF first in the chain. The whammy doesnt need to be first in any chain. I prefer mine last, because then i can mess around with my delay more.

Can you do anything with your effects loop?

[The Plugged In Baby]

Well, not effects loop as such, i think the amp has a socket for one, but i dont (know how to) use it. Would it help if I did?

I just have:

Guitar > ZOOM > Whammy > Amp

Where does the FF go?

[Palo Alto]

Have you tried putting the FF in first?

[The Plugged In Baby]

I'm pretty sure i did, yeh

ive done: Whammy>FF>ZOOM ; FF>Whammy>ZOOM and ZOOM>Whammy?FF

i dunno, am at a loss

(PS: thanks for this help Palo Alto - youre always there when we need you!)

[Palo Alto]

PS: thanks for this help Palo Alto - youre always there when we need you!)

More than welcome ;)

Is there only one socket for the effects loop? If there's two their for send and receive in which you would have to put a lead in the send socket, fit it to the beginning of your chain, then the lead coming out of the chain goes in the receive. However I heard the whammy isnt suited for the chain, and is best to go directly through your guitar and into line in socket.

Have you tried taking the Zoom out of the chain, and seeing what happens if its just the whammy and the fuzz?

[The Plugged In Baby]

Yeh, I just checked, theres a send and return

so are you saying to try :

SEND> FF > RETURN?

Yeh without the ZOOM it does work better, but then I would lose my other effects from it, which i use a lot.

PS: I know everyone says ZOOM is crap, and it is compared to individual pedals, but im getting there, by starting with the two expensive ones first!

[Palo Alto]

Try this out:

Guitar -> Whammy -> Amp

Send -> FF -> Zoom -> Receive

And if you dont have enough leads just ignore the whammy. Try out the effects loop with the FF and zoom

[kev]

(I realise there are other threads about this, but I'd like to have replies to my question alone!! Call me a selfish bastard, but hey!)


you selfish bastard :p

[Dramatic Hammer]

Isn't it the copper plate from his wah probe ?

Anyway, back to the question in hand, after much messing around with my FX chain it seems my preferred order was:

guitar >whammy > wah > FF > phaser > delay > EQ > amp

The problem with this is that I can't get the FF to feedback properly - now it just rumbles instead of squealing. Is this something to do with the whammy and wah not being true bypass units ? Should I put the FF first in the chain ? :unsure:
The FF (as well as nearly every fuzz pedal) only works properly when it 'sees' a high-impedence on the input. Your pickups are high impedence and buffered effects are low impedence (ie the wah). Fuzzes should always be first in the chain in you want them to behave 'correctly':).

[Palo Alto]

The Plugged in Baby, did you get the problem sorted?

[The Plugged In Baby]

Yeh I got it sorted thanks!

Although it wasn't by using the Effects Loop (which I'll get on to)

I now have :
Amp > ZOOM > Whammy > Fuzz > Guitar

As for the effects loops, we've apparently got a very good amp (Marshall 20W valve amp) - but if you put something in the effects loops, its effect is minimal, you can barely hear whatever has been patched through!

[Dramatic Hammer]

Yeh I got it sorted thanks!

Although it wasn't by using the Effects Loop (which I'll get on to)

I now have :
Amp > ZOOM > Whammy > Fuzz > Guitar

As for the effects loops, we've apparently got a very good amp (Marshall 20W valve amp) - but if you put something in the effects loops, its effect is minimal, you can barely hear whatever has been patched through!
Which amp is it?

[zeuzman]

Hello. I am not sure on where to put my new Electro Harmonix Small Stone.
My order is:-

Telecaster/SG/Strat-Digitech Whammy 4-DS1-ProCo Rat- Wah-Chorus-Trem-Delay

Where would the Stone fit? The rest of my unconventional set up is fine.

Matt

[Bjorny]

Well, you said it. Unconventional....

Experiment, it won't take long, and it's not the classically accepted order as it is.

First place to try is with the trem/ chorus

[museic.tk]

I've just got all my pedals that i want and want anyones advice on which is the best order to have em in. Heres what i have at the moment

Gibson Les Paul ---->Digitech whammy--->Line 6 Distortion Moduler -----> Line 6 Delay ----- Crybaby ---> Volume Pedal ------> Amp

is this right? Or are there some people crying with laughter at how crap i've done it??

Also, i find myself using the Delay and Whammy together a lot. Is there anyway i can use a pedal switch/selecter/divertor to just be able to push one pedal to turn them both on and off at the same time and leave myself with just the distortion? :confused:

[Dramatic Hammer]

I've just got all my pedals that i want and want anyones advice on which is the best order to have em in. Heres what i have at the moment

Gibson Les Paul ---->Digitech whammy--->Line 6 Distortion Moduler -----> Line 6 Delay ----- Crybaby ---> Volume Pedal ------> Amp

is this right? Or are there some people crying with laughter at how crap i've done it??

Also, i find myself using the Delay and Whammy together a lot. Is there anyway i can use a pedal switch/selecter/divertor to just be able to push one pedal to turn them both on and off at the same time and leave myself with just the distortion? :confused:
It would be more normal to put the delay after the wah and in the FX loop if you have one, other than that it is fine although some people have the whammy after distortion - it depends how you like it:).
As for turning the whammy and delay on/off at the same time, you could get a looper (not a sampler type looper) and put them in that (although they might need to be next to each other in the chain). Go to
Monkey FX (http://www.monkeyfx.co.uk) for some examples of switchers and loopers :cool: .

[Britrock]

I find my crybaby sounds better in front of distortion, after my whammy.

[So Low]

Hey people. I have my rig kinda sorted, just pondering now. I have 3 different types of disortion/overdrive/fuzz (BOSS SD-1, Marshall Jackhammer and a Big Muff). I was just wondering if there's a certain order that those 3 should be in.

At the mo I have

Guitar > Whammy > Wah > Muff > Jackhammer > SD-1 > Chorus > Amp

Sounds good to me, but it's only going through a crappy practise amp, so I'm wondering when I get my new big shiny amp if it's gonna sound really dodgy.

I reliese I've kidna rambled abit, It's late, I'm tired. I apologise

[D.J.S.R]

Ok can anyone give me any suggestions for this:


Fender FMT-Fuzz Factory-Digitech Whammy-Line 6 DL4 Delay-MXR Phase 90-Marshall (MG30DFX when in my room or my new MG15 Micro Stack :D)

[no3chris]

switch the delay and the phase 90 round.. ho god why did you get one of them stacks their crap lol

[D.J.S.R]

lol you think? I think it looks kinda cute :D and it has the nice meaty marshall sound to it. meh each to their own tho :p

[no3chris]

well ive never played the stack... but generally the mg series which arnt 100 watt arnt too good (in my opinion)

[D.J.S.R]

Well I'll agree it's probably not the ideal choice for gigging but it still does the job and anyway after my crappy mg30 anything's gonna be a step up lol!
I really don't like that mg30...meh I only use it when i'm sat in my room anyway
*gives mg an evil look*

[YellowSphere]

The Micro Stack is pure shite, you really should've got a Line6 Spider II instead. Something which might actually do justice to your guitar and pedalboard at least.

[D.J.S.R]

hmm yeah I saw someone playing a spider in Mansons at the weekend.
so come on then guys what've you got amp-wise?

[YellowSphere]

hmm yeah I saw someone playing a spider in Mansons at the weekend.
so come on then guys what've you got amp-wise?
you mean...what amp do I use? I use a Marshall MG15CDR (basically the Micro Stack but with a different speaker setup) because I can't afford a new amp yet. As soon as I have more money I'm getting a Peavey Classic 30.
If you were after what sort of amps should you get then I would have to ask you how much money you were going to spend on one...

[D.J.S.R]

hmm well I would go up to about £250-£300 right now price wise.

suggestions?

[YellowSphere]

hmm well I would go up to about £250-£300 right now price wise.

suggestions?
Line 6 Spider II

[D.J.S.R]

hmm yeah I'll have to look into them. I'll check them out on the net and probably have a play with one in mansons at the weekend.

[AsPHy]

i got my Behringer V-ampire half stack (LX1200H Head & BG412H Cab) for about £310 (inc 10£ nxt day delivery) or so, its a modeling amp like the Spider II.

[Farmer Ted]

I've got a mesa/boogie mark IV with the recto cab. Not exactly the best amp out there, but the best amp I've ever personally played or could ever afford.

[YellowSphere]

I've got a mesa/boogie mark IV with the recto cab. Not exactly the best amp out there, but the best amp I've ever personally played or could ever afford.
That's a fucking amazing amp! Dude, you're lucky to have one of them so don't talk about it like that, for crissakes.

[Interlude]

i have a phaser, wah, tuner, and whammy pedal. but havent a clue what order to put them from guitar to amp. cud ne1 help me out?

[Britrock]

Whatever sounds best...

[no3chris]

hmm, id say whammy wah phaser, and if you have an effects loop tuner in their or a line out tuner in their, if not tuner fin the dry out of the whammy

[Punching_sandwiches]

Id say Wah Whammy Phaser, its personal preferance really, if you have an effects loop shove all of them in there.

[pluk]

i'd go whammy => wah => phaser and tuner in dry-out of whammy

[no3chris]

i'd go whammy => wah => phaser and tuner in dry-out of whammy
;) exactly what i said, whos the daddy ! we the daddy !

[pluk]

we da man :cool:

[Phill]

ok, how bout

fuzz - whammy - delay - phaser - eq

thats my current order. i'm pretty happy with it like that but if theres a combination i should try that may work better in your opinion i'd like to try to to decide for myself so let me know, thanks

[YellowSphere]

I'd be inclined to put phaser before delay...

[Phill]

yeah i thought that but then i thought about having an echo'd phase and i'm not too sure about that one, it might sound a bit cluttered and over the top but i'll give it a try tomorrow see how it sounds, thanks for the input :)

[YellowSphere]

Messing around with the Whammy (WH1 that my Physics teacher lent me! :cool: ) today, I found that it sounded better before the distortion to my ear...

[pluk]

i put my Bass Whammy first in my FX-chain, next are my 3 overdrive/distortion pedals and last is my delay... sounds best this way IMO

[Phill]

the whammy may sound better but fuzz factories sound shite after whammy's unfortunately

[TheWidow]

so how do i put my effects through it or how does it work?

i have a fuzz factory a boss overdrive and a line 6 delay, so can i use it with them? if so how? hah

[Jackplug]

Run your delay through your effects loop , basically what that does (I think) is run your effect after the preamp has done 'making' your sound and sending it to the speaker. So it makes delays less mushy ?..


Im wrong.

[Keys]

http://board.muse.mu/search.php?searchid=381259

try here :rolleyes:

[biohazard]

dont put your FF through the FX loop!!!!!

[TheWidow]

dont put your FF through the FX loop!!!!!


...dont? why not

[wowsplat]

lol, i didnt want to start a thread for this simple question. so i'll just take a chance at getting yelled at by all the muse board kids. anyone know of a freeware program that can record wavs? something with no time limit... :D

[YellowSphere]

...dont? why notbecause it'll sound crap.

The FX Loop Send is the Preamp Out and the Return is the Power Amp In.
What it does is makes sure you have as little as possible between the signal path from the guitar to the amp.

[TheWidow]

because it'll sound crap.

The FX Loop Send is the Preamp Out and the Return is the Power Amp In.
What it does is makes sure you have as little as possible between the signal path from the guitar to the amp.


oh well thank you thats all i was asking really. and i kinda figured the ff would sound crap through it because its not really and effect effect...just sorta fuzz..i thought id ask anyways..ok this case is closed

[Bjorny]

oh well thank you thats all i was asking really. and i kinda figured the ff would sound crap through it because its not really and effect effect...just sorta fuzz..i thought id ask anyways..ok this case is closed

It actually sounds crap because of impedance matching issues, but that's by the by.

[Phill]

i put mine in my FX loop the other day just out of interest and it just constantly made a high pitch hissing sound no matter what setting it was on. it swiftly went back to first in the chain!

[g00ni]

This is my current Pedal Board
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/g00ni/MyPedalBoard.jpg
This consists of:
Boss PW-1 Rocker Wah
Boss Bass Synth SYB-3
Boss Super Phaser PH-2
Boss Super Octave OC-3
Boss Line Selector LS-2
Boss T Wah TW-1
Boss FV-300L Volume/Expression Pedal
DOD FX-25 Envelope Filter
Electro-Harmonix Bassballs
Electro-Harmonix Big Muff

Does anybody have any tips on what order I should have these pedals in?
At the moment I have them setup as:
Guitar> Big Muff> Bassballs> T Wah> DOD FX-25> FV-300L (Volume)> Line Selector (Loop B> Super Phaser) > Bass Synth> Super Octave> PW-1 Rocker Wah> Amp. (Line order not as shown in photo).
Can anyone improve on this for me?

Cheers,
-g00ni

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

Basically, you can have them in any order you want, there are no rules.
Just play around and see what works best.

If you want to go with tradition:

Pitchshifters > Wah/Filters > Volume (For controlling gain) > Distortion/OD/Fuzz > Volume (For controlling volume, rather than gain) > Modulation > Delay > Reverb

But nothing is saying you have to set up like that, I mean modulation into light OD sounds fantastic, you may find you prefer distortion before everything, or after everything.

The best to do is play around and see what you like.

[cheddatom]

I'm not sure the OC-3 will track very well if you put it after a big muff.

Incidentally, are you a bassist? If so, you could use your line selector to mix a clean sound with effected sound. This should help keep a constant low end.

You could try mixing two effects seperately using the Ls-2 aswell. I like to have an envelope filter running on a clean sound, at the same time as having a seperate distorted sound.

[Jackplug]

I'm not sure the OC-3 will track very well if you put it after a big muff.

Incidentally, are you a bassist? If so, you could use your line selector to mix a clean sound with effected sound. This should help keep a constant low end.

You could try mixing two effects seperately using the Ls-2 aswell. I like to have an envelope filter running on a clean sound, at the same time as having a seperate distorted sound.

I believe he's a guitarist, I think it's the dude who had the terrible accident with the Manson.

[Spanishman]

What terrible accident was this? If you dont mind me asking.

[Jackplug]

If I remember correctly a PA monitor fell bang on the headstock while the guitar was leant against it, Snapping the headstock ?.. Well anyway, I think he's had it fixed by a lutheir .. :)

[g00ni]

I believe he's a guitarist, I think it's the dude who had the terrible accident with the Manson.

Yeah, that'd be me... I had my manson on a stand at the side of the stage and someone knocked the PA Speaker ontop of it! All fixed now though! Pretty much good as new! :D

[cheddatom]

Yeh, I remember that, sorry i'm not good with names :S Anyway, use your LS-2 to the max!

[TheRealSlimBrady]

My current setup is:

Boss DS-1 > Big Muff > Boss ME-30

Any possible improvements on that?

[shuggy_r]

the way i have my rig setup is like distortion, modulation then things like echo so it runs through like

guitar>>Fuzz Factory>>Big Muff>>MXR Phase 90>>Whammy no 1>>whammy no 2>>Line 6 POd XT live>>Line 6 DL4>>Amp


:fro: and the smiley coz i like it

If you think of the way matt does it he has his fuzz and phase going directly in first then the whammys are in his rack fx so the fuzz is being sent through first and modulated so best adding your whammy(s) through an FX loop or if on the floor after your distortion

[pluk]

It's all up to preference. I've got my (bass) whammy first in my fx-chain. I use the dry out for my tuner. Modulation sounds good pichtshifted as well.

[anonymousanimal]

Does anyone have any reasons why this is wrong

Fuzz Factory > Crybaby > Digitech Whammy > Boss GE-7 ?

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

Does anyone have any reasons why this is wrong

Fuzz Factory > Crybaby > Digitech Whammy > Boss GE-7 ?

Either stick the Crybaby after the Whammy or before the FF (For insane wah/fuzz/feedback effects).

[anonymousanimal]

nahhh, the fuzz HAS to be first, Mr Vex himself says so anyway!

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

nahhh, the fuzz HAS to be first, Mr Vex himself says so anyway!

I stick my wah before my Fuzz Probe, makes the FP goes completely crazeh!

[Oeneus]

Do Fuzz Factories have any reason to act differently when used with a wireless system?

[muse-ic_man]

Do Fuzz Factories have any reason to act differently when used with a wireless system?

shouldnt be, otherwise matt would have problems with it. shouldnt act any different i wouldnt of thought.

[bshuker]

Matt doesn't have a problem because the FFs are in the guitars, therefore before the wireless system. If you put them after the wireless system, (correct me if i'm wrong anyone who does it) you would have problems with impedence between the guitar and the fuzz! Though saying that surely you could whack a volume pedal before the fuzz, after the wireless and it would work the same?? Anyone wanna enlighten me.

[fipoch]

Can anyone help me on this? I never actually knew that pedals are supposed to be lined up correctly ever since I saw this thread. These are my effect pedals..

Boss Os-2
Boss Mt-2
Boss Dd-6
Zvex Fuzz Factory
Mxr phase 90

nothing fancy :) At the moment currently, they are lined up as below:

Guitar -> Boss Os-2 -> Mxr Phase 90 -> Zvex Fuzz Factory -> Amplifier

The Mt-2 and Boss Dd-6 is new by the way, I just recently bought it :D Cheers!

[kuz]

Can anyone help me on this? I never actually knew that pedals are supposed to be lined up correctly ever since I saw this thread. These are my effect pedals..

Boss Os-2
Boss Mt-2
Boss Dd-6
Zvex Fuzz Factory
Mxr phase 90

nothing fancy :) At the moment currently, they are lined up as below:

Guitar -> Boss Os-2 -> Mxr Phase 90 -> Zvex Fuzz Factory -> Amplifier

The Mt-2 and Boss Dd-6 is new by the way, I just recently bought it :D Cheers!
I would do:
Guitar -> Zvex Fuzz Factory -> Boss MT-2 -> MXR Phase 90 -> Boss OS-2 -> Boss DD-6 -> Amplifier

Apart from the phaser, those are basically how you should definitely have it. the phaser is more versatile though, i prefer i more subtle swooshy sound by having my phaser before my overdrive, though you may prefer something different. play around with the order of the MT-2, OS-2, and phase 90 in order to find what order you like best for your sound ;)

[reverendmaynard]

you should just throw the mt-2 out a window because they suck. or if you just bought it you should return it.

[dwydav]

:P what dont you like about the metal zones? I use it after my fuzz probe.. FX goes FP -> MT-2 -> Dunlop Crybaby -> Whammy -> (and soon to be purchased) Boss DD 20

I think the MT-2 sounds great, although my opinion changed recently as I swapped from my Ibanez back to my fender and the FP just gave SUCH a beautiful sound which shows that EMG really arent that good at making non acive pickups.. but yeah the amount of tone if I can call it that (differenciation of which string is being played.. with the IBZ it sounded like there was a wah wah on and all the strings were muted, and this was with the tone knob all the way on the bright side..)

But point is (in any case my metal zone) the mt-2 sounds pretty kewl after the FP if u stick a bright setting on..

cheers
david

[:James:]

shouldnt be, otherwise matt would have problems with it. shouldnt act any different i wouldnt of thought.
well matt wouldnt have problems with it cause his fuzz in in his guitar so it goes guitar-ff-wireless :p

[Punching_sandwiches]

you should just throw the mt-2 out a window because they suck. or if you just bought it you should return it.

Unless he likes the sound of it in which case he should keep it surely?
Or just because you don't like it no one else should?

[Russell]

Anyone want to help me out with my effects order? I'm currently experimenting with with what to use and where. My pedal board consists of (in no particular):

Zvex Fuzz Probe
Zvex Wah Probe
Digitech Whammy Reissue
Electro Harmonix Big Muff
Digitech Digidelay
Line 6 Dl4
Line 6 FM4
Electro Harmonix Small Stone Phaser
Boss Tremolo
Ibanez Bass Synth
Boss MT-2 Metal Zone (gonna lose once i get an amp with good distortion)
Boss PH-3 Phaser (dont really use much)

[dwydav]

i would say keep the metal zone cuz its great for making noise when mixed ith the fuzz probe!!

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

Anyone want to help me out with my effects order? I'm currently experimenting with with what to use and where. My pedal board consists of (in no particular):

Zvex Fuzz Probe
Zvex Wah Probe
Digitech Whammy Reissue
Electro Harmonix Big Muff
Digitech Digidelay
Line 6 Dl4
Line 6 FM4
Electro Harmonix Small Stone Phaser
Boss Tremolo
Ibanez Bass Synth
Boss MT-2 Metal Zone (gonna lose once i get an amp with good distortion)
Boss PH-3 Phaser (dont really use much)

Erm, you have so many options with that many pedals :D

Ok, if you want a "traditional" pedal order:

Fuzz Probe, Wah Probe, FM4, Bass SynthWhammy, Big Muff, Metal Zone, Tremolo, Small Stone, PH-3, Digidelay, DL4.

If you want some interesting sounds:

Wah Probe, Small Stone (I'm assuming you have a USA made one), Fuzz Probe, Tremolo, FM4, Whammy, Digidelay, Big Muff, Metal Zone, Bass Synth, PH-3, DL4.

I could be here all night, Just play around with those, move things around, see what works best there, with that amount of pedals, you can really experiment :D

[Russell]

Yeah I generally just been messing about with them in different orders, just wondered about peoples opinions, cheers haze. By the way, did you get a reverb pedal in the end? If so which one did u go for? I been thinking about getting one since you mentioned them a little while ago.
Thanks again for the help.

[Ash]

you should just throw the mt-2 out a window because they suck. or if you just bought it you should return it.
That is such bullshit.

When I was a younger lad I sold mt MT-2 because of people like you, on this very board I might add.

I've since learned to play the tones I enjoy and not what people like you who say their world is right, by all means give your opinion but please don't tell anyone to do anything.

Personally I love the MT-2

[reverendmaynard]

That is such bullshit.

When I was a younger lad I sold mt MT-2 because of people like you, on this very board I might add.

I've since learned to play the tones I enjoy and not what people like you who say their world is right, by all means give your opinion but please don't tell anyone to do anything.

Personally I love the MT-2

then do you want mine? i'm only giving it shit because it's been a piece of shit to me. where i live it was the best thing to have when you were 15 but now that i'm older i realize that the pedal is a big piece of trash. sure some people might get these "awesome tones" when using it with a FF or FP but when i've gigged the thing at my school people were telling me "your distortion sounded like shit" but before that happened i got compliments on the distortion i used (but on my practice amp). so yeah maybe it is a good pedal for but really... the EQ on it sucks (that's why all the scene xXx kids use them)

[dwydav]

well that sucks for u.. I dont know whats wrong with ur one but mine is great, and eq wise the thing is nearly like a wah pedal with the different eqs u get.. and with the Fuzz probe it just adds that sort of sparkling sound.. great for (i wouldent call it metal but i gues..) metal..

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

Yeah I generally just been messing about with them in different orders, just wondered about peoples opinions, cheers haze. By the way, did you get a reverb pedal in the end? If so which one did u go for? I been thinking about getting one since you mentioned them a little while ago.
Thanks again for the help.

I'm currently waiting for the local Line6 stockists to get the Verbzilla in so I can try it out. Not going to get one until I've tried that.

As for the EQ on the MT2 being crap, it's a parametric EQ, not graphic, so it's a little complicated to use, so no, it doesn't suck, you just need to learn how to use it, rather than moan about it. The only thing I found with the Metal Zone is that it sounded a little muffled, but it's not hard to get a good sound out of it if you use the Mid Freq knob properly.

[dwydav]

*rofl* Reverendmaynard doesnt play with his knob(s) enough :rolleyes: thats why he hates the metal zone :P

[:James:]

what can you / what can't you put in a send and return? and a why not would be helpful aswell....

[reverendmaynard]

*rofl* Reverendmaynard doesnt play with his knob(s) enough :rolleyes: thats why he hates the metal zone :P

keep trying to sound like a big man. if you had a metal zone, and a marshall TSL... which one would you pick? luckily i'm not a dumbass and chose to give away my metal zone preferring the sound of actual tubes in my marshalls distortion. you'll realize the metal zone is good for about a year playing some sweet !@#$METAL!@#$ riffs then stomp on it and it falls apart.

http://vinge.spbk.no/albums/album03/owned.jpg
*rofl* dwydav doesn't know how to lock his door

[james90]

ok, as I said in the other thread, I'm building a pedal board...I don't have the slightest idea of what order to put them in.

They are...


-fuzz pedals (four of them :$ )
-danelectro flanger
-danelectro phaser
-vox wah
-mxr compressor
-marshall vibratrem
-dod distortion
-tuner

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

keep trying to sound like a big man. if you had a metal zone, and a marshall TSL... which one would you pick? luckily i'm not a dumbass and chose to give away my metal zone preferring the sound of actual tubes in my marshalls distortion. you'll realize the metal zone is good for about a year playing some sweet !@#$METAL!@#$ riffs then stomp on it and it falls apart.

I'd rather use a distortion pedal with my Marshall than a thin sounding JCM ;) :LOL:

[reverendmaynard]

maybe what you used on the JCM (guitar... etc..) sounded thin. doesn't sound thin to me.

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

maybe what you used on the JCM (guitar... etc..) sounded thin. doesn't sound thin to me.

I've used a DSL100 with a Strat and a TSL100 and a JCM800 for gigs using my Ibanez. They sound so thin compared to my lovely old Super Bass, which if I use my Rat with it, it's very similar to a Mesa Dual Rec, on the second channel, all EQ controls maxed out, running through a 4x12. Just not muddy like a Mesa. Nor do I have a 4x12, yet.

[bkaa]

I've used a DSL100 with a Strat and a TSL100 and a JCM800 for gigs using my Ibanez. They sound so thin compared to my lovely old Super Bass, which if I use my Rat with it, it's very similar to a Mesa Dual Rec, on the second channel, all EQ controls maxed out, running through a 4x12. Just not muddy like a Mesa. Nor do I have a 4x12, yet.


Why, werent u one of those persons saying its pointless to have a 4x12 since its too loud?

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

Why, werent u one of those persons saying its pointless to have a 4x12 since its too loud?

Nope, I've made threads asking about different 4x12's and stuff.
I think I have said 100watt amps are too loud, which I don't think anyone could disagree with really.

[Dramatic Hammer]

I'd rather use a distortion pedal with my Marshall than a thin sounding JCM ;) :LOL:
You suck at knob-turning :p

[Dramatic Hammer]

Why, werent u one of those persons saying its pointless to have a 4x12 since its too loud?
No-one ever actualy said that, numpty:) .

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

You suck at knob-turning :p

I rule at knob turning, hence why I'd rather not use a JCM, I don't want to max put the bass all the time ;)

JCM's do sound nice though, just too thin for my use innit

[bkaa]

No-one ever actualy said that, numpty:) .

are you sure?

[Dramatic Hammer]

are you sure?
People may have said one doesn't 'need' a half-stack to gig but I doubt they said 4x12s are too loud....

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

People may have said one doesn't 'need' a half-stack to gig but I doubt they said 4x12s are too loud....

No, but you NEED to put anything like a 2x12 on it's side, or on tables and chairs, just to hear it.
As much as I think my 2x12 looks cool on it's side, just I only hear the 1 speaker really, so the sound is thinned out a bit. But for the audience, I doubt there's any real difference. Although, on big stages, where you can get far away from the amp, it makes no real difference what you're using, because the sound has had time to spread out, I guess it's a tonal thing in that situation.

[Dramatic Hammer]

Well whatever size rig you use you need to hear it, which can be a problem if you're using a smaller amp/cab... Plus it looks cool if you have a massive amp:LOL: .


:rolleyes:

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

Well whatever size rig you use you need to hear it, which can be a problem if you're using a smaller amp/cab... Plus it looks cool if you have a massive amp:LOL: .


:rolleyes:

Fender seemed to appreciate that we need to hear ourselves and gave 'em little leg things to rest on :)

Massive amps are just for teh eg0, or you're compensating for something ;)

[bkaa]

Fender seemed to appreciate that we need to hear ourselves and gave 'em little leg things to rest on :)

Massive amps are just for teh eg0, or you're compensating for something ;)


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I wasn't being serious :rolleyes:

[matt's half brother]

Anyone want to help me out with my effects order? I'm currently experimenting with with what to use and where. My pedal board consists of (in no particular):

Zvex Fuzz Probe
Zvex Wah Probe
Digitech Whammy Reissue
Electro Harmonix Big Muff
Digitech Digidelay
Line 6 Dl4
Line 6 FM4
Electro Harmonix Small Stone Phaser
Boss Tremolo
Ibanez Bass Synth
Boss MT-2 Metal Zone (gonna lose once i get an amp with good distortion)
Boss PH-3 Phaser (dont really use much)
oh my god look at all those pedals, you are russel from bloc party!

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

Here's some fun for you:

Boss BF2 Flanger
Boss CE2 Chorus
Boss GE7 EQ
Boss OD3 Overdrive
Boss SD1 Super Overdrive
Electro Harmonix USA Big Muff reissue
Electro Harmonix USA Small Stone reissue
Electro Harmonix Small Stone 70's orange font
Zoom GFX707 (Tuning purposes only)
Vox Clyde McCoy Wah reissue
Line6 DL4
Marshall EH1 Echohead
Digitech Whammy
Zvex Fuzz Probe
ProCo Rat II

:)

[matt's half brother]

Here's some fun for you:

Boss BF2 Flanger
Boss CE2 Chorus
Boss GE7 EQ
Boss OD3 Overdrive
Boss SD1 Super Overdrive
Electro Harmonix USA Big Muff reissue
Electro Harmonix USA Small Stone reissue
Electro Harmonix Small Stone 70's orange font
Zoom GFX707 (Tuning purposes only)
Vox Clyde McCoy Wah reissue
Line6 DL4
Marshall EH1 Echohead
Digitech Whammy
Zvex Fuzz Probe
ProCo Rat II

:)
yea, but you're not famous (i think) :p

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

yea, but you're not famous (i think) ;P

What's that got to do with anything?

I'm asking you to order them for me, not inform me of how famous I am.

[matt's half brother]

What's that got to do with anything?

I'm asking you to order them for me, not inform me of how famous I am.
sorry, i only have 4 pedals (inc tuner) im obviously not pedely enough to be in this thread

[reverendmaynard]

Here's some fun for you:

Boss BF2 Flanger
Boss CE2 Chorus
Boss GE7 EQ
Boss OD3 Overdrive
Boss SD1 Super Overdrive
Electro Harmonix USA Big Muff reissue
Electro Harmonix USA Small Stone reissue
Electro Harmonix Small Stone 70's orange font
Zoom GFX707 (Tuning purposes only)
Vox Clyde McCoy Wah reissue
Line6 DL4
Marshall EH1 Echohead
Digitech Whammy
Zvex Fuzz Probe
ProCo Rat II

:)


probe
whammy
wah
big muff
eq
pro co
sd1
od3
small stone (both)
chorus
flanger
dl4
echohead
zoom


maybe??? i know the big muff is hard to put in the line when i had mine i had to switch tons of things around

[matt's half brother]

probe
whammy
wah
big muff
eq
pro co
sd1
od3
small stone (both)
chorus
flanger
dl4
echohead
zoom


maybe??? i know the big muff is hard to put in the line when i had mine i had to switch tons of things around
im definately not pedely enough for this thread

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

probe
whammy
wah
big muff
eq
pro co
sd1
od3
small stone (both)
chorus
flanger
dl4
echohead
zoom


maybe??? i know the big muff is hard to put in the line when i had mine i had to switch tons of things around

Interesting, I'd personally go:

Wah > Small Stone (Reissue) > Probe > Whammy (Dry out to Zoom) > SD1 > OD3 > Rat > Big Muff > CE2 > Small Stone > BF2 > Echohead > DL4 > EQ

Big Muffs in my opinion work best after all over overdrives/distortions, running the Rat into it is great fun. By the way, there isn't any point to this, just seeing what other people would do with these pedals.

[reverendmaynard]

yeah, you can do whatever with pedals it doesn't really matter. i knew you had a personal liking but i just figured owning a couple i'd put my best into it. usually there's an order.. like distortion-pitch shifting-wah-chorus-modulation.. or whatever something like that but you usually have to experiment. i put my whammy after my wah.. i don't know some people do it differently..

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

yeah, you can do whatever with pedals it doesn't really matter. i knew you had a personal liking but i just figured owning a couple i'd put my best into it. usually there's an order.. like distortion-pitch shifting-wah-chorus-modulation.. or whatever something like that but you usually have to experiment. i put my whammy after my wah.. i don't know some people do it differently..

My Fuzz Probe goes nuts with the wah in front of it, that's the only reason it's there.

[YellowSphere]

I'd try putting one of the delays earlier in the chain, after your Big Muff so you can then use your mod pedals on its delayed signal.

[cheddatom]

I'd have my EQ before the Delay at the end, at least. What do u think of the echohead Haze? I love mine. Do you have a stereo set up?

[BlissMuthaTrucka]

the official order is EQ-Dist-dynamic effects-timebased effects

[musecasters]

sorry, i only have 4 pedals (inc tuner) im obviously not pedely enough to be in this thread
i've only got 3 pedals, a FF & phase 90 in the silver replica & a FF in the Bomber replica...and thats it :$ :'(

[reverendmaynard]

i've only got 3 pedals, a FF & phase 90 in the silver replica & a FF in the Bomber replica...and thats it :$ :'(

i thought you had like a million pedals?
what happened dude??

..was it the house?

[musecasters]

i thought you had like a million pedals?
what happened dude??

..was it the house?
yes, all went on ebay...dsl & cab might have to go soon:$ :'( nevermind :)


the old days.....

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/musecasters/kpedal06.jpg

and

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/musecasters/kpedal10.jpg

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

I'd have my EQ before the Delay at the end, at least. What do u think of the echohead Haze? I love mine. Do you have a stereo set up?

No, I'd like a stereo setup though. The echohead is a damn cool pedal, well for basic delay, doesn't really go nuts, but for the price, it does what I want it to do, so no complaints.
I don't actually use my EQ much anymore, since I've had the Super Bass, I've had no use for it, because the reason I bought it was to try to get amps to do what my Super Bass does anyway :LOL:
YellowSphere, I didn't think of that, that's a good point though, although it may work better before distortion though, because if you use a reverb sound, you get some Jonny Greenwood esque sounds (There There ;) ).
Also, I don't care what the convention is, you'll be surprised how good modulation and delay effects sound before something like power amp overdrive.

[starlight in the gloom]

could solve all your problems of orders buy buying a nice multi, which does it all for ya. I got a Zoom gfx8 and i can create pretty much anysound i want. and it sounds good too. got ext. dist midi in/out etc.

[Richardlester1989]

yes, all went on ebay...dsl & cab might have to go soon:$ :'( nevermind :)


the old days.....

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/musecasters/kpedal06.jpg

and

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/musecasters/kpedal10.jpg

Thats INSANE!

I only have a Fuzz Factory, Phaze 90, Russian Big Muff, Zoom 101, Also have effects in my amp...but they do the job :)

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

could solve all your problems of orders buy buying a nice multi, which does it all for ya. I got a Zoom gfx8 and i can create pretty much anysound i want. and it sounds good too. got ext. dist midi in/out etc.

Please don't get me started.

[reverendmaynard]

could solve all your problems of orders buy buying a nice multi, which does it all for ya. I got a Zoom gfx8 and i can create pretty much anysound i want. and it sounds good too. got ext. dist midi in/out etc.


LOL @ you.

zoom=poopcrapcacca

[Bewilders]

could solve all your problems of orders buy buying a nice multi, which does it all for ya. I got a Zoom gfx8 and i can create pretty much anysound i want. and it sounds good too. got ext. dist midi in/out etc.
omg! i alwai wntd 1 of dem!!!!1 thy kik evry pedl eva!!!!

[Dramatic Hammer]

could solve all your problems of orders buy buying a nice multi, which does it all for ya. I got a Zoom gfx8 and i can create pretty much anysound i want. and it sounds good too. got ext. dist midi in/out etc.
Ho ho ho.:)

[YellowSphere]

could solve all your problems of orders buy buying a nice multi, which does it all for ya. I got a Zoom gfx8 and i can create pretty much anysound i want. and it sounds good too. got ext. dist midi in/out etc.Bandwagon.

[cheddatom]

I gig with my Zoom GFX707 and it kicks ass!!!!

[Beast Love]

I had a zoom pedal as my first pedal. Twas good for just something basic and to try out what different effects "do". Then I got some other pedals, and discovered that the zoom completely sucked the tone out of my amp. And now it's in a box on top of a cupboard. It was handy to have as a tuner though, which is all I use it for now, though not connected with my other pedals.

[cheddatom]

Well, I use about 10 patches on my zoom, for things that I just don't have the money or room to do with seperate pedals. Its one of 15 pedals on my board and it sounds amasing through my rig!

[james90]

Bump.

Well, I'll be buying some effects soon, and hopefully I can get these by xmas;

Vox Clyde McCoy wah
Digitech Whammy
Boss TU-2
EHX little big muff
Moog MF-103 phaser
Boss OD-3
Pro Co Rat 2
Boss GE-7 (This has to be after the rat pedal, as it'll be used for a mid boost)
EHX deluxe electric mistress
Line 6 DL-4



....Anyone?

[Phill]

Bump.

Well, I'll be buying some effects soon, and hopefully I can get these by xmas;

Vox Clyde McCoy wah
Digitech Whammy
Boss TU-2
EHX little big muff
Moog MF-103 phaser
Boss OD-3
Pro Co Rat 2
Boss GE-7 (This has to be after the rat pedal, as it'll be used for a mid boost)
EHX deluxe electric mistress
Line 6 DL-4



....Anyone?
I thought about getting the same wah. Then I found a new Zvex Silver Sparkle Wah Probe for £165 including delivery :D

[james90]

:cool:

Yeah, I'll have to look at a zvex wah, I haven't seen the demo video yet.

[Phill]

:cool:

Yeah, I'll have to look at a zvex wah, I haven't seen the demo video yet.

Ah they look great! The fact that there isn't a pot to wear out is awesome. They also have a Super Hard On circuit in them so you can push the wah harder. Oh and of course they are beautiful :happy: Don't suppose anyone has seen a Silver Sparkle Zvex anything before? I never have so don't really know what to expect.

[Jabnit]

I thought about getting the same wah. Then I found a new Zvex Silver Sparkle Wah Probe for £165 including delivery :D
Where?

[Russell]

I've seen silver probe pedals before, i think it was a fuzz probe. But it wasnt sparkle. But it still looked good. Red writing, looked pretty cool.

[Calv163]

I would go something like this:

Whammy --> Little Big Muff --> Wah--> Rat --> OD-3-->GE-7-->DL-4-->Deluxe E M -->Phaser
Not sure where to put the Tuner really, I find that my Big Muff sound good both in front and behind the wah so that's interchangeable as is the order of the Rat & OD-3 depending on whether you want to use them both at the same time and what sound you want from them.

[james90]

Thanks :D


Phill, don't tell jay where you found it!

[Phill]

haha no way, do you think i'm stupid!!

[james90]

Just wanted to make sure, so order it as quick as you can!

And remember to take pics when you get it :D

[Phill]

Just wanted to make sure, so order it as quick as you can!

And remember to take pics when you get it :D

i most certainly will! big high quality shiney pics :D

[dwydav]

mate the silver sparkle looks amazing! I've seen pics of a wah probe I thnk it was, or a fuzz probe. I can't remember, but it looked killer!! the silver contrasts a bit badly with the probe part though but who gives? it's amazing and it'll turn heads! do you know if the wah probe has 2 outputs like the SHO does? if it does that would be insane! and yeah it's an amazing pedal! never tried one.. but it has to be an amazing pedal!!! get some spazzms in your foot going and it'll nearly sounds like a tremolo!

EDIT: *watches demo video again...* yeah a wah probe is definitely on my list for xmas! (haha in more than half a bloody year!! :'(:'()

[james90]

oooh, I just heard the wah probe. It sounds very different from any other wah (In a good way! :D )

[dwydav]

oooh, I just heard the wah probe. It sounds very different from any other wah (In a good way! :D )
hahaha Why can't I be rich??? :'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'

[james90]

hahaha Why can't I be rich??? :'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'
I really want a fuzz probe...

(No, I'm not rich, they're $320 :'(:'(:'(:'( )

[dwydav]

I really want a fuzz probe...

(No, I'm not rich, they're $320 :'(:'(:'(:'( )
yeah but I'm thinking the fuzz probe and wah probe have got to sounds soo good together!!
if your foot is large enough you can work both at the same time :)

has anyone seen the theremin movie??

[james90]

Now there's an idea!


Anyone know why the FF or FP have to be put before every other pedal?

[Phill]

they need maximum inpedance from the guitar signal.
although apparently wah probes sound best infront.

[james90]

Thanks :)

I found this interesting upgrade thing for a vox V847, it apparently can make it sound like a Clyde McCoy, but better....

Might buy a V847 and rip it apart, as this upgrade has better quality parts than a V848 :cool:

[Splinter]

Ok guys, I've got a question about my pedal order. Right now I have:
- MXR Phase 90
- Boss DS-1 Distortion
- Boss DD-3 Digital Delay

What order do I put these pedals in? I know delay comes last but I dont know if I should put Distortion first or the phaser first. Furthermore I'm adding a WAH, a Fuzz Box (Big Muff or FF) and a Whammy, what would be the order with the added pedals?

[dwydav]

Ok guys, I've got a question about my pedal order. Right now I have:
- MXR Phase 90
- Boss DS-1 Distortion
- Boss DD-3 Digital Delay

What order do I put these pedals in? I know delay comes last but I dont know if I should put Distortion first or the phaser first. Furthermore I'm adding a WAH, a Fuzz Box (Big Muff or FF) and a Whammy, what would be the order with the added pedals?

ummmwell not to sound harsh but for three pedals I'm sure switching two around wont kill you to see which sound you prefer... as for when you recieve the others, I would personally go for:

Fuzz box -> DS1 -> Whammy -> Wah -> MXR phase 90 -> delay

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

Ok guys, I've got a question about my pedal order. Right now I have:
- MXR Phase 90
- Boss DS-1 Distortion
- Boss DD-3 Digital Delay

What order do I put these pedals in? I know delay comes last but I dont know if I should put Distortion first or the phaser first. Furthermore I'm adding a WAH, a Fuzz Box (Big Muff or FF) and a Whammy, what would be the order with the added pedals?

Where you put the phaser is purely up to you, try it out before and after distortion, you'd only ever use it set slowly after distortion to be honest, before is probably more versitile.

As for when you get the others:

Wah > Phaser (if before distortion) > FF > Whammy > Big Muff > DS1 > Phaser (After) > DD3

:)

[Crizzlesnaps]

Incredibly easy question, yeah, but I got my Fuzz Factory today and im not sure whether a crybaby wah would go before or after it.

What be what one in what order?

[Monkeychild]

Incredibly easy question, yeah, but I got my Fuzz Factory today and im not sure whether a crybaby wah would go before or after it.

What be what one in what order?

Crybabys, I think they go before, but you'll find it probably sounds horrible no matter where you place it if it's like mine. my FF and CB didn't work together at all. You can get the CB modded to work with fuzzes but it's obviously more cost.

[Splinter]

Where you put the phaser is purely up to you, try it out before and after distortion, you'd only ever use it set slowly after distortion to be honest, before is probably more versitile.

As for when you get the others:

Wah > Phaser (if before distortion) > FF > Whammy > Big Muff > DS1 > Phaser (After) > DD3

:)

Thnx for the advice :D . I thought it would be something like: Wah - Whammy - Phaser - FF - DS1 - DD3

Because you need your sound to be as dry as possible when entering the whammy.
I also see that you have used both a Big Muff and a FF, but I'm only using one of them. When I just use one, does it differ where I put it? I mean, if I choose the FF, I should put it before the whammy or if I choose the Big Muff after the whammy?

Oh yeah and I forgot but I have an acoustic simulator too, but I hardly use it on my current amp. Since I'm upgrading to a new amp soon I was woundering where I should put it in my effects chain. I will probably only play clean through it (thats what its meant to do, simulate an acoustic, and I've never heard a distorted/pitch shifted acoustic) so I was thinking about putting it @ the end of the chain, after the delay. I do this because I can ajust the settings on the acoustic simulator IF I lose some tone while playing clean (not all of the pedals are true bypass). What do you guys think?

[coffee_and_tv]

Thnx for the advice :D . I thought it would be something like: Wah - Whammy - Phaser - FF - DS1 - DD3

Because you need your sound to be as dry as possible when entering the whammy.
I also see that you have used both a Big Muff and a FF, but I'm only using one of them. When I just use one, does it differ where I put it? I mean, if I choose the FF, I should put it before the whammy or if I choose the Big Muff after the whammy?

Oh yeah and I forgot but I have an acoustic simulator too, but I hardly use it on my current amp. Since I'm upgrading to a new amp soon I was woundering where I should put it in my effects chain. I will probably only play clean through it (thats what its meant to do, simulate an acoustic, and I've never heard a distorted/pitch shifted acoustic) so I was thinking about putting it @ the end of the chain, after the delay. I do this because I can ajust the settings on the acoustic simulator IF I lose some tone while playing clean (not all of the pedals are true bypass). What do you guys think?

does the new amp have an fx loop? if it does you could get an a/b switch or splitter or something and run the acoustic sim straight into the poweramp, switching between the 2 by switching the a/b and the fx loop at the same time. maybe a bit complex...?

[Splinter]

does the new amp have an fx loop? if it does you could get an a/b switch or splitter or something and run the acoustic sim straight into the poweramp, switching between the 2 by switching the a/b and the fx loop at the same time. maybe a bit complex...?

I understand what you mean and it is a good solution, if I had an effects loop ;). But my new amp doesn't have an effects loop or extra channels so I must get my distortion from a pedal. Thats why I will use a DS-1 and a Fuzz in my effects chain.

[coffee_and_tv]

I understand what you mean and it is a good solution, if I had an effects loop ;). But my new amp doesn't have an effects loop or extra channels so I must get my distortion from a pedal. Thats why I will use a DS-1 and a Fuzz in my effects chain.

ah. well in that case, last in the signal chain should be best

[Caman]

i know this is going to sound incredibly noobish but what difference does it make depending on what order they are in?

[Splinter]

Oh my god, he's RIGHT! This whole thread is totally pointless ;) .

Well for starters, it changes the way your signal is going to sound when using effects. But surely haze can explain a whole lot more on this...:)

[dwydav]

i know this is going to sound incredibly noobish but what difference does it make depending on what order they are in?

in a nutshell, it will change the outcoming tone of your signal, and will also change how the pedals react to one another..

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

Because you need your sound to be as dry as possible when entering the whammy.
I also see that you have used both a Big Muff and a FF, but I'm only using one of them. When I just use one, does it differ where I put it? I mean, if I choose the FF, I should put it before the whammy or if I choose the Big Muff after the whammy?

Erm, a Whammy is a pile of shit to be honest, the only reason it's better before distortion is because it's a tone sucking little bastard, so by putting it before, you don't lose your distorted tone and you don't really notice it on clean.
The only reason the FF goes first is because it seems to hate anything before it, I've only ever got a phaser to work before it without the pedal doing something unusual, even wahs don't work before, or after hehe.

[Splinter]

Erm, a Whammy is a pile of shit to be honest, the only reason it's better before distortion is because it's a tone sucking little bastard, so by putting it before, you don't lose your distorted tone and you don't really notice it on clean.
The only reason the FF goes first is because it seems to hate anything before it, I've only ever got a phaser to work before it without the pedal doing something unusual, even wahs don't work before, or after hehe.

OK so lemme get this straight. You put a FF before a whammy because a FF sounds shitty with anything before it (except a phaser). If I choose to buy a Big Muff, it's better to put it after the whammy because a whammy will suck my distorted tone and you don't notice it on clean.

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

OK so lemme get this straight. You put a FF before a whammy because a FF sounds shitty with anything before it (except a phaser). If I choose to buy a Big Muff, it's better to put it after the whammy because a whammy will suck my distorted tone and you don't notice it on clean.

Yep. There may be more pedals that work before a FF, but not to my knowledge at this point in time.

[Devon_muse_fan]

I've messed around with chains for years, both 'virtual' ones in rack processors and pedals boards of the things on the floor. I find the theory to be useful, but to be more of a guide to some basic theory and do's n' don'ts. I'd personally always advise to let the ears do the deciding.... have fun, chop and change, and hear what works best for YOU. Great way to spend an afternoon, experimenting, if nowt else.....

[Caman]

ok! well can some body give me a hand getting the best i can then? so far my set up is Amp------->DD-6 (Delay)-------->SD-1 (super overdrive)--------> DS-2 (turbo distortion) ----------> GCB-95 (Wah-Wah)------>Guitar

whats the best order for that?

[freakonaleashx]

Yep. There may be more pedals that work before a FF, but not to my knowledge at this point in time.
IIRC FF's dont oscillate with a buffered bypass before it, so it may happen that the phaser you had was true bypass. Anything with TB should technically leave the FFs operation unaffected.

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

IIRC FF's dont oscillate with a buffered bypass before it, so it may happen that the phaser you had was true bypass. Anything with TB should technically leave the FFs operation unaffected.

My Probe still oscillates with a small stone in front of it. Just you can't control it using the guitar anymore.

[freakonaleashx]

My Probe still oscillates with a small stone in front of it. Just you can't control it using the guitar anymore.
I've never used a probe to be honest. Hmm... I want a distortion pedal for when i gig without my amp. Im used to having 3 channels available. So what two channel OD box do people recommend? Under €200

[Clunge]

Righto, bass effects ordering help me please fankoo.

This is what I have/will have by the start of next week:

- EHX Russian Big Muff
- Digitech HMXBS Bass Squeeze Dual Band Bass Compressor
- Digitech HMXBW Bass Synth Wah Bass Envelope Filter

+ My amp of course, which isn't a great thing.

Now, suggest how I should link these up for maximum effectiveness.

Fankoo #2.

[Pluginco]

The Equipment: Ibanex artcoreAM73TTR, Amp -Mesa F-50 w/fx loop, Dunlop Crybaby wha q105, Danelectro Surf&Turn Compressor(for piercing noise), Danelectro Milkshake Chorus, Digitech multi effect. Optimum setup?

[Phill]

Just out of curiosity and for a bit of experimentation i'm gonna ask how other people would run my setup :) My amp has an FX loop so feel free to run stuff through there.

I run:

Guitar > Wah Probe > Amp
FX Loop Out > Big Muff > Small Stone > EQ > Whammy - Dry to Tuner > Delay > FX Loop In

The reason the Big Muff is in the loop is because i like it mixed in after my amps distortion for a nice fat sound trouble is it doesn't go loud so i use the EQ to bring the volume up for that when i need to.
Starting to think maybe the whammy would be best first in the loop? Opinions and sugguestions please :)

[donbenjy]

if you can, try getting the tuner more to the front as possible...for example, if it was AFTER the whammy, and you had whammy on like a 5th up, obviously you'd get the wrong note.

Not saying you'd be stupid enough to run the tuner after the whammy wet out, but if possible, try and get it as clean a signal as you can.

[Phill]

Well i keep it clean to tune up but yeah I know what you mean. I may move the Whammy to the front of the loop, I doubt that'll affect my sound a lot....

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

Guitar > Wah Probe > Amp
FX Loop Out > Big Muff > Small Stone > EQ > Whammy - Dry to Tuner > Delay > FX Loop In


I don't know what amp you've got, so here goes:

Guitar > Whammy (dry out to tuner) > Wah > Big Muff > Amp

Effects loops: Out > EQ > Small Stone > Delay > In

May even put the Small Stone after the Big Muff, depends really

:)

[Phill]

Hmmm doesn't having the whammy in the FX loop save the tone loss though?
I've got a Traynor YCV40 btw.
Not really into the Big Muff straight into the amp most of the time, but it finds it's self there now and again. Thanks for the input :)

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

Hmmm doesn't having the whammy in the FX loop save the tone loss though?

No, does the opposite, it destroys the tone of whatever is going in, if you've got your whole setup going through it, must sound nasty :stunned:
I still refuse to believe Tom Morrello runs his effects through his loop, it all sounds like it's in front to me :confused: (might just have the amp cranked though)

Not really into the Big Muff straight into the amp most of the time, but it finds it's self there now and again. Thanks for the input :)

I meant before to run it into the amp distortion, I quite like that sound personally.

[Phill]

Hmm the whammy sounds like shit when it's on but bybassed it sounds ok.
I find the muff before distortion a bit of a muddy mess rather than the fat smooth distortion it becomes when placed after. maybe my settings are all wrong, i'll have a play :)

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

Hmm the whammy sounds like shit when it's on but bybassed it sounds ok.
I find the muff before distortion a bit of a muddy mess rather than the fat smooth distortion it becomes when placed after. maybe my settings are all wrong, i'll have a play :)

Well, if it works for you, I can hardly argue really. I find you can sort of hide the whammy's inherent shitness by putting it before distortion. Whatever you do with your distortions is up to you, I like the muddy mess, but I'm putting mine into fairly light distortion.

[Phill]

Well i'll have a play around tomorrow evening and let you know what i think. I take it you keep the muff sustain real low too?

[YellowSphere]

I take it you keep the muff sustain real low too?That doesn't sound like Haze...

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

Well i'll have a play around tomorrow evening and let you know what i think. I take it you keep the muff sustain real low too?

I have it on about half I think when I run it into something, don't know, usually just max it out to be honest, that pretty much what I do with my other fuzzes.

That doesn't sound like Haze...

:LOL: :D :happy:

[Ash]

ProCo Rat Turbo
Zvex Fuzz Factory
Boss DD-6 (Delay)
MXR Phase 90
Boss GE-7 (Graphic Equaliser)
Boss TU-2 (Tuner)
Line6 Verbzilla
Boss CS-3 (Compressor)
Boss MT-2 (Distortion)
Boss RV-5 (Reverb)

Go to work someone :cool:

[Dramatic Hammer]

ProCo Rat Turbo
Zvex Fuzz Factory
Boss DD-6 (Delay)
MXR Phase 90
Boss GE-7 (Graphic Equaliser)
Boss TU-2 (Tuner)
Line6 Verbzilla
Boss CS-3 (Compressor)
Boss MT-2 (Distortion)
Boss RV-5 (Reverb)

Go to work someone :cool:

Fuzz Factory
Tuner
GE-7
Rat
CS-3
MXR Phase 90
MT-2
DD-6
Verbzilla
RV-5

Although personally, I'd get rid of the TU-2, CS-3 and MT-2 and replace them with: a Strobostomp, a keeley comp/byoc comp and a Tri-Metal:p .

[dwydav]

ProCo Rat Turbo
Zvex Fuzz Factory
Boss DD-6 (Delay)
MXR Phase 90
Boss GE-7 (Graphic Equaliser)
Boss TU-2 (Tuner)
Line6 Verbzilla
Boss CS-3 (Compressor)
Boss MT-2 (Distortion)
Boss RV-5 (Reverb)

Go to work someone :cool:
If you like using stereo setups like I do then:

Fuzz Factory - MT2 - CS3 - Verbzilla -

output Left -> GE-7 - Phase 90 ->

output Right -> Rat - TU2 ->

Both outputs come into the Reverb (it has a stereo in and out right??) if not then both outputs go into DD6 which I think is stereo as well haha :$

and then depending on which goes first knowing that the reverb would get priority in place, the RV5 and then DD6 and then to two amps or one amp with two inputs :D

[dwydav]

Fuzz Factory
Tuner
GE-7
Rat
CS-3
MXR Phase 90
MT-2
DD-6
Verbzilla
RV-5

Although personally, I'd get rid of the TU-2, CS-3 and MT-2 and replace them with: a Strobostomp, a keeley comp/byoc comp and a Tri-Metal:p .

fool of a took! listen to Scratched and Scorned. I ONLY use the MT-s for distortion in there! and the fuzz probe for background noise..

www.purevolume.com/kinetik and dont tell me the distortion isnt gorgeous!! I love my MT2!

[Dramatic Hammer]

SPAM
Yeah, it sounds gash :p - you should get a tri-metal too!
























The song's cool though;) !

[dwydav]

Yeah, it sounds gash :p - you should get a tri-metal too!


The song's cool though;) !
who makes tri-metal?

[Clunge]

Righto, bass effects ordering help me please fankoo.

This is what I have/will have by the start of next week:

- EHX Russian Big Muff
- Digitech HMXBS Bass Squeeze Dual Band Bass Compressor
- Digitech HMXBW Bass Synth Wah Bass Envelope Filter

+ My amp of course, which isn't a great thing.

Now, suggest how I should link these up for maximum effectiveness.

Fankoo #2.
Anyone?

:(

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

Anyone?

:(

Compressor > Fuzz > Wah > Amp I guess, effects on bass need an entirely different order to guitar, on guitar I tend to prefer things before distortion, on bass everything after :confused:

who makes tri-metal?

Zoom

fool of a took! listen to Scratched and Scorned. I ONLY use the MT-s for distortion in there! and the fuzz probe for background noise..

www.purevolume.com/kinetik and dont tell me the distortion isnt gorgeous!! I love my MT2!

You can hear its a fuzz box ;)

[Clunge]

Okies.

Merci :happy: .

I'll just fiddle when everything arrives.

[kuz]

ProCo Rat Turbo
Zvex Fuzz Factory
Boss DD-6 (Delay)
MXR Phase 90
Boss GE-7 (Graphic Equaliser)
Boss TU-2 (Tuner)
Line6 Verbzilla
Boss CS-3 (Compressor)
Boss MT-2 (Distortion)
Boss RV-5 (Reverb)

Go to work someone :cool:
why would you have 2 reverbs? :confused: i mean, i can understand having 61032097679 different delay pedals, but i don't really see the point as much with reverb.